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The only thing that I think paints Yzerman as "ruthless" (idk that that's the best word for it) was his handling of Drouin

Yeah I was re-watching videos of him last night, and my talent boner was fully erect But then you go check his stats again and you're like, oh yeah, but he doesn't actually score that much.

Literally just talking about Yzerman

I literally said I give credit to Yzerman for the return. When a player walks into your office and asks to be traded to a specific other team I think that's literally the definition of a trade falling into ones lap lol

The speculation is anyone who nabs him will have to wait 2 seasons before he comes over. He's been linked to us because we'e one of the teams that can afford to wait.

I mean I give credit to Yzerman for the return I don't think the Tatar trade fell into Holland's lap at all. I think it somewhat did with Yzerman and MSL, as Marty specifically asked Stevie to trade him to NYR.

Trouba requested a trade to NYR?

MSL requested the trade. It's really NYR's dumb fault for giving Yzerman a 1st, Callahan, and conditional 2nd for him. Marty only played 93 games for the Rangers. Although they were going for the cup at the time and Marty was still good. There was also some business about MSL wanting to live in Manhattan full time too which is why he waived his NMC to go there specifically. I think Marty already had a condo/apartment there or something, loved Manhattan life, and was sick of Florida. It all kinda fell into Yzerman's lap on that one.

How about we let Dennis turn 14 first

Fuqqin Cholo couldn't even beat out Trevor Daley for a spot, kids a passenger

I don't disagree, I'm certainly looking back in hindsight. I think it's saying something that a lot of those player went on to become really good. Toews and Sharp really cranked it up during that playoff run. Byflugien really turned it on in the playoffs too, especially in the finals when they tasked him with handling Chrissy Pronger. I think most realized he was gonna be a really good player during that series. Tronna's got a good foundation. Looking back I think they would take a do over on Marleau and Zaitsev though. Of course those aren't Dubas's fault though.

I was just gonna say, I ******* hate baseball and I don't even know who's on the Tigers right now, but I wear that same Tigs hat all the time. I hope it means he wants to be here, but it's not like he always wears it or anything though. I've seen him in multiple different Jets hats, a U of M hat, the tigs cap, I think a golf hat etc. Bylugien will wear whatever baseball cap is cool that week. And I always see tons of guys on lots of different teams wearing Jays hats. Can anyone put him within 20 ft of a can of Vernors in the last year? If so, I'll budge and admit he's coming home. If I had my way I'd bury Daley, Ericsson, and Kaski and sign Edler and Stralman or something like that. Bowey and Cholowski can share the 7th spot. Spend to the cap limit baybee

Pretty much where I'm at with this. Cholowski never really earned his place on the team last year. After the 10-11 game stretch where Cholo was awesome, neither he nor Daley really scored much. Except Daley wasn't getting scored on all the time and is a grown ass man. Cholowski needed more time in GR fersure.

Honestly it's Detroit Sports Nation fault for picking the story up (that's the link that was posted here). They're a little more reputable than NHLTradeRumors, but even they're still just fan bloggers sitting on their sofa at home. They basically ran the exact same story citing the Athletic as the source. But then you click on their link to the Athletic story and it takes you to the fake news NHLTradeRumors story that they basically copied.

Yeah the whole thing comes from a blogger named Ryan Beliveau who I guess works for NHLTradeRumors. He sites the Athletic as his source. Except the Athletic never reported any of this. He's preying on fans who don't want to pay for or can't afford to pay for the Athletic. EDIT: I found him on twitter. He's some random MTL fan with 63 followers. Seems like a college student or something. Tweets about weed and music about as much as he does hockey. Couple classic f*** Bergevin Fire Bergevin tweets in their too lol

That report was from NHLTradeRumors which is a total BS fake rumor monger-er. As far as we know Yzerman has been golfing the last few weeks and hasn't contacted anyone. The bit about Yzerman inquiring about Trouba. Hronek being off the table. Winnipeg wanting Kuffner and Puempel. All made up. Here's the other rumor their peddling right now: McDavid wants out of Edmonton and Detroit is a top 3 destination. As soon as the playoffs end Holland will ask for Zadina, Rasmussen, Mantha, Athansiou, and Hicketts in exchange for McDavid. Really hard hitting stuff

I hope Yzerman offer sheets him just to f*** with them But it sounds like the Leafs fans are all ok with getting 4 first rounders for him. So maybe I don't hope that. I think the Leafs will move pieces like Kadri to make room for him.

The 2009/10 Hawks team was pretty insane looking back. They were bursting at the gills with talent, which was why they had the crazy exodus right after the cup win. They willed Niemi to a cup win. That's saying something.

Personally I'd like to land about 3 free agents this off-season. Spending somewhere in the neighborhood of $12 million, as I want to save money for AA's, Bertuzzi's, and Mantha's raises next year. I would kick the tires on the big names, but I'm pretty unconvinced that any will want to sign with Detroit right now. Nyquist will probably be on our radar. They had to bring Karlsson and Kronwall in to talk him into waiving his NTC to go to SJ. Who knows if he still longs to be here. If the price is right it could be an option, but we're kinda deep at wings already. Michael Ferland is a player I sorta like. Physical, aggressive, hard-working, but is talented enough to also add offense and points. If a short deal can be reached I might be partial, as these kinda guys tend to wear down quickly (he's a fresh 27). But again we're kinda deep at wing. Alexander Edler I would have thought would be on the radar, based on Holland wanting to draft him over Franzen back when. But Holland is gone. Still, he could be a nice defensive vet coming in with Kronwall possibly retiring and Green possibly getting shelved with his kidney infection. I'd be happy to chuck Ericsson and Daley into the minors to make room for him. Anton Stralman. Similar to Edler, but maybe Yzerman can use his connection with him from Tampa to lure him in. I'm not sure we need another RH D right now what with Green, Hronek, and Bowey on the roster, but Bowey is still not a sure thing in my mind and Green could spend a lot of the season on IR. If that's the case Stralman could be a good option. Riley Barber. RW shoots right. 6'0, 200 lbs. Just turned 25. Former 6th round pick of the Caps. Caps never gave him a shot in the NHL despite being a point per game AHLer who scored 31 goals this year. I watched him play when he was in college and always really liked the way he played. Surprised the Caps have only given him 3 NHL games over his last 4 AHL seasons. He was very good in all of them. Could probably be had for cheap. Low risk high reward project. If he doesn't work send him down to the AHL to play with our kids. Alex Chiasson. Like Ferland, nasty player and tough to play against, can pick up a few points. Shoots right which is nice. Again, we're sorta deep at wing. Still 28, on a short deal could be ok. The spot I really want to add at is Center. But no one really jumps out at me that isn't going to go sign with a contending team. Maybe Colin Wilson? Val Filppula? 1 year of an old broken down Spezza? Anyway there should be a lot of teams moving and shaking this offseason to get under the cap. I think it will be interesting late June/July.

I'm just happy they're already hemorrhaging multiple good young players. Chicago already had their first cup when that started for them.

Give up assets for one extra year in a rebuilding season. Great idea. I agree with the 2nd bolded You seem to think it's smarter to wait, but also that Yzerman will get the deal done now. Does that mean Yzerman's dumb? Karlsson wears Tigs hats too. It's a cool hat. So post Daley's underlying numbers I certainly agree Daley declined this last season. But was Cholowski clearly the better player last season? IDK if it's that black n white. Maybe the fancy stats would convince me. I'd be absolutely fine with waiving both Ericsson and Daley provided the kids prove they can handle it full time (I'm assuming Kronwall retires) DK - Hronek Cholo - Green Kaski - Bowey I think we will sign more Dmen yet though

I guess we'll go with the later, I have no idea what you're referencing. I just pulled that outta my ass, unless it really was ur jedi mind tricks working on me. Hah tell my friends in this thread that. The same folks who seem to think he'll end up here one way or the other are also advocating trading for him.

Forward full time, Point on the PP. Bounce rubber off ur center Rasmussen a few times a game. Assuming he stays at D, I think he'd just have to be paired with a solid stay at home D like Ericsson, McIlrath, etc. They stay in front of the net while he runs wild in both zones retrieving pucks and play-making, IDK

Well if Yzerman agrees with you, I'm sure he'd just waive him. If he's as awful as you say and a buyout candidate then he's not gonna fetch a trade. Rebuilding cash rich teams don't need to buyout players with 1 year left.

Wouldn't it just be better to eat the whole contract this year while we have 20 million in unspent cap? Are we against the contract limit or something? Can only have 50 player contracts, not sure how many we got EDIT: We're at 40/50 with Frk, Vanek, Kronwall, Witkowski, Turgeon, Sadowy, Megan, Hicketts, Sulak, Rybar unsigned