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Zadina is a go in and get the puck type guy to you? Again plz elaborate, I don't at all see what ur seeing.

Then why invoke his religion? And no, it's not just about secular law. To a secular person it is. To a religious person it's not. Again, why are you so determined to make Datsyuk out to be some 2020 white washed liberal PC boy? He's an orthodox Russian from east of the Urals. Does it ever occur to you that devout Christians speak truth about their faith and that they don't care that it doesn't line up with ur soy boy 2020 worldview? Yes I just called you a soy boy.

Well lets be clear on what "bust" means now since your so very uptight about the use of the word. He's a bust relative to the expectations I have for someone of his draft pedigree. Cool? Cool. In regards to Seider we're gonna play "you would do the same in my shoes". Okay. Frankly I don't appreciate you assuming that. If I behave badly in a zealous defense of Seider plz go ahead and call me out with the blood on my hands. But till I do it, I resent the implication I would. Don't find me guilty before the crime is even committed. That outta the way, I gave you examples of my responses to Seider critics on draft day. The closest thing we got. I believe I won many folks over to Seiders team that day because I didn't brow beat anyone who critiqued him. I spoke passionately and in depth about his game, and let that speak for itself. The same thing I'm asking Zadina fans to do. I can write pages about why Seider is THAT good. Can you even give me one wall text about Zadina? Like I said, it hasn't been done other than draft day a little. But I do believe I could go to toe to toe with any theoretical persons with serious criticisms of him in a constructive substantive way. I could write a paragraph on his gap control alone. Till the day comes. Is this on your tv? I mostly only use the app on my phone. lol naah he'll be better than this year. He woulda been at best a 3rd liner on any decent team and may have not even been called up. And why're you assuming what I will respond with? You dont have a law or science background, that much I know now. Ohhhh I see. How convenient. Every forward has the potential to be a top liner yes. Now then by that logic you will concede that Chris Ehn has top line potential no? Don't get carried away now: Bust relative to expectation. Alright. I'm all ears. Convince me I'm wrong. I want to believe. Go. I'm not following. Nyquist is a underrated passer huh? All the more the two have in common lol. Elaborate. Forewarning: I certainly don't agree.

Sir this is the Brome thread. Either start shaming fat people or start defending homophobics, either way cats are off topic.

You stated you never implied it. You certainly did. At the very least that you watch more and therefore know better. Try it. I haven't seen anyone do it. On draft day more than a few folks questioned the pick. My response was lengthy posts about his usage in the DEL, comments from his coach, stats, and style of play. You can go back to that thread and see for yourself. Here ya go: Which leads us to now: So which is it? You have watched the Girffins "a LOT" this season? Or only a dozen or so times? I didn't say he tops out as the player he is now. I think he develops into a Tatar, Nyquist, Hudler. No I gave a "wall of text" as to why I think he tops out where I think he does. Good try though? Wait wait wait... I thought it's too soon to tell thou? I'm going to "get called out" for having a different opinion than your own? Every fan is wrong except me? I certainly never made this statement. I'm aware of the fact that I might be wrong on Zadina. Sure he can pass in traffic. About as good as Hudler or Tatar or Nyquist can/could. And at 6th overall I should damn well hope he can pass at that level.

Exhibit A: Exhibit B: Exhibit C: Classic KRsmith appeal to authority. You love to imply how much more hockey you watch than everyone else in an effort to assert that your opinion is the only valid one. Remember the Veleno/Fabbri thread? The one where you thought you were the only one who knows about AHLTV? lol Have at it. For all the footage you watch one would think you'd have a pretty developed nuanced opinion of his play beyond "he real gud". I still have yet to see it. Instead you seem to have every excuse in the book as to why you can't post it. Topical suggestions: Skating Board work and forecheck Offensive cycle and positioning Defense Individual skills (passing shooting dekeing) Intangibles/Hustle I'm aware of how young he is. I'm also aware of the amount of success he had this season. I still don't see a ceiling any higher than Hudler or Tatar. Being good at a young age doesn't automatically mean a player develops into a superstar forward or 1A Dman, but it certainly helps. Does that address it enough for you? Why? Cause you happen to disagree? Just too soon to tell? What if I said he tops out as a 1st line winger with 70-90 pts? Would it still be dumb to you then? If it's too soon to say, then when isn't it too soon to say? 21? 22? 23? 24? 25? 26? At what age does Zadina have to be that we are allowed to discuss him without making you all upset? I call it a trope, because it's been in every Zadina fans mouth since about March. Anywhere you go suddenly everyone thinks he's secretly some underrated passing phenom. HFboards. Reddit. Twitter. Here. I think no differently about his passing this year than I did last year. He's a good passer. Always has been. Nothing's changed. Is he secretly some Joe Thornton 50, 60, 70 assist a season guy? Hell nah. Go ahead and try me. Explain his passing greatness to me. You come here and go back and forth with me for pages over dribble but can't be bothered to actually further the discussion with substance about his passing? This is exactly what I complain about. No one has the balls to actually put there opinions out there and go thru the nitty gritty. Instead you have every excuse why you can't. If you have something insightful to say about it stop talking about saying it and SAY IT!

I mean.. I can quote you again lol: Your living in fantasy land. I've literally complained multiple times that no one will get into the nitty gritty with me about Zadina. And so far no one has. Dabura came close once. A wall of text breaking down his cerebral abilities isn't substance? And "he real gud" is?

You literally did just that lol If my analysis is so terrible dissect it. Debate it. Dispute. But you can't so you won't. I literally posted a "wall of text" with my substantive views on the player. You're mental. I didn't even mention his size or europeaness in the entire thing lol.

Krsmith timeline: >Brendan Smith is gonna be real gud >Petr Mrazek is gonna be real gud >Tomas Jurco is gonna be real gud >Filip Zadina is gonna be real gud <--- you are here My favorite part is he claims to watch more footage than everyone else. But he can't write anything about Zadina's game other than: "shot good. pass good. he gonna be real good" and argue the stats. Truly a mega big galaxy brain.

>thinking a subjective opinion is inaccurate Classic Krsmith: "no one watches the games except me" I've already seen all of Zadina's highlights partner. I watched 3 hours of Miro Heiskanen footage yesterday for the fun of it. I have a "wall of text" because I think critically about Zadina and developed an analysis of his talents for discussion based on those thoughts and observations. Instead of disputing any of my points, you just write that mine is "inaccurate"... You don't want to discuss. You want everyone to just accept "he real gud" and move on. Because you don't have anything of value to contribute to the discussion besides "he real gud". You're devoid any substance or critical thought. Sad. Again, more obsession and triggering over the word bust. Color me surprised. "Im done with this discussion" *Keeps responding*

No. But that's not at all a similar example. If someone ASKED you: What're your views on the 2nd amendment? And you responded "I'm a member of the NRA" or "I'm a member of CSGV" your POV can be reasonably inferred. That's an equivalent question.

Maybe because I'm not at the mercy of your definition of "Bust"... Maybe spend more time watching Zadina play instead of policing other posters language. And your entire argument is based on "kid gunna be real gud. Source: trust me" This is maybe your dumbest post so far. I'm 100% basing my eval on what I think he'll develop into. How did you miss it? I explicitly say multiple times I think he'll develop into a future Hudler/Nyquist/Tatar. Please. I'd like to discuss Zadina with an adult who doesn't whine about the word bust in every post.

Reporter: Do you eat bread? Datsyuk: I'm on the Atkins diet and that says it all LGW: Okay, that doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't eat bread. Not all Atkins dieters follow their diet strictly. He likely only said that to appease non-bread eaters. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here. Datsyuk probably eats bread.

Bingo: Huge disappointment. Your - and you're not alone on the board in this - obsession with my use of the word "bust" really needs to be gotten over. You know where I stand - Zadina = Hudler/Tatar/Nyquist - so why do we have to have this "HE'S NOT A BUST THOUGH!" diatribe every time we discuss Zadina? By your own definition of the word bust, I don't think he's a bust... so why're you wasting my time with this every time Zadina comes up? If you don't like me saying "bust relative to draft position" just substitute it for "huge disappointment relative to draft position" I don't care. I would say Zadina is very skilled and know's how to operate with the puck on his stick, but I wouldn't say he's smart. I'll elaborate. I breakdown smarts into two categories: decision-making and situational-awareness. Situational-awareness: The ability to read the unfolding play. Players who are high in situational awareness rarely find themselves out of position and operate well in a cycle. Examples: Datsyuk, Tyler Bertuzzi Decision-making: The ability and instinct to make the correct decision with or without the puck. Players who have good decision-making commit less turnovers and operate well in clearly defined systems. Examples: Zetterberg, Chris Ehn Essentially awareness is the ability to go to the correct spot on the ice, and decision making is the ability to execute the correct play once you get there. These attributes aren't mutually exclusive. Players like Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom exhibit both to a high degree. Whereas someone like Ehn has very good decision making, but comparatively very poor awareness. Likewise Tyler Bertuzzi has very high awareness, but maybe average to above average decision making. Zadina has extremely good decision-making, but very average awareness from what I've seen. Almost the FOIL of Tyler Bertuzzi. If I put him in position to score or to strip the puck he will most certainly do it. He has that high level of skill and know how. But I question his ability to get to that position in the first place. Lets take his defense as an example. Zadina back checks HARD, and if you let him get too close he will certainly pick pocket you in a very Datysukian way. However, this sorta play doesn't happen all that often with him... Why? Because he rarely finds himself in the correct position to make this play. Unlike Datsyuk he's prone to getting caught a half second behind the unfolding play. This translates to his offensive game as well and it's probably going to get exposed a lot worse this coming year now that teams are dialed in on him. He won't have the same time and space he did this year. The worst part about this is it's much easier to teach correct decision making than it is too teach instinctive awareness. His shot is extremely good. But I keep seeing this "his passing his underrated" trope everywhere I go since the end of this season. Nah, his passing is pretty average and always has been. I really do think fans are trying to compensate here. 7 assists on the season is good for a rookie, but there's no hidden passing gem there. If Zadina's passing is so underrated then so is Hudler's and Tatar's.

You're using whataboutism and straw men arguments. That's the only thing laughable here. I'm not suggesting religious practitioners follow - or even believe - every teaching their dogma espouses. And that fact has no bearing on my argument whatsoever. Datsyuk wasn't asked "what religion do you follow?" and then fans extrapolated his views on homosexuality. No, he was asked what his views on homosexuality were, and he invoked his religion, which has a clear stance on homosexuality. His answer is quite clearly that he follows his religious teachings in regard to this matter. IDK why you're so desperate to cover for Datysuk here and make him out to be some SJW politically correct person. He has the right to his religious views and the beliefs that come with them same as anyone. Your conspiracy theory about him pretending not to like homosexuality just to look good for Russia is just as bizarre. Did it ever occur to you that maybe he's an honest guy and meant exactly what he said? Heaven forbid. Russia is not even some evil g-ay hating country either. They're in the 1990s in terms of LGBT rights. They have don't ask don't tell in the military and pride marches in every major city. Again, Datsyuk was asked about homosexuality and invoked his religion. If he didn't agree with his religions teachings on homosexuality he wouldn't have invoked them. I think it's sad that there exists a desire to white wash every player to make them socially palatable in 2020. Datysuk is old-school Orthodox. Big whoop. Get over it.

No I meant it in exactly the context of the paragraph I wrote it in. You took out of that context and paraded around like I think Zadina is the next Hossa all of the sudden. Even though everyone, including yourself, know I don't think that in the slightest. So forgive me for holding you to your own disingenuous standard. Cause his play Okay we've at least got our foot in the door now. What play is that? Describe it. Why do you like it? Are you employee of the month only in the month you got named employee of the month? Once you've been employee of the month, you're always considered employee of the month? That's the equivalent of the questions you're asking here... Yes. By definition John Scott is an all-star. Specifically a 2016 all-star. R u honestly confused by this??

It's not a vague answer. When asked about his views on homosexuality he explicitly cited his church that objects to it. He's saying my churches views are my views on it. If you asked me "CRL what's your view on firearms?" and I answered "I'm a member of the NRA" what's the conclusion you draw there? You're really gonna tell me that doesn't spell out that I'm pro-gun to you?

Nice back peddling. Your exact quote word for word was: "put up over a point per game in the NHL in his rookie season" You didn't take my point into context at all. Tell me why now I should extend you the courtesy? Real sound argument bud. He's not a bust cause I say so, and anyone who disagrees with me is a moron. I mean I say you have no substance behind your opinions and you prove me my point. Thanks I guess. No it really won't. All-stars are players who go to the all-star game. There's zero room for interpretation. Good lord this is getting sad. Plz let the adults talk. I've argued that Zadina will be a bust relative to draft position since day 1. Sam Gagner was/is in the same boat. You all just get ur panties in a bunch every-time I use the word bust. No matter how I use it. And you smooth brains still haven't figured out that guys like Mackel use this fact to antagonize you lol. It's all so tiresome...

There's no context to factually incorrect information. Again Eva, plz return to the sandbox so adults can talk. And there you have it folks, he didn't grasp it again lol. And I so hoped you were getting it this time... Please tell me about "the real definition of a bust". I'm looking at merrian-webster but it doesn't have a bust definition pertaining to hockey prospects. I suspect what you mean by "real definition of a bust" is krsmith17's definition of a bust. And as much as I'd love to debate "what the real definition of a bust" is as it pertains to the hockey community, the topic seems extremely boring and overly subjective. In lieu I will use bust how I want and if you need explanation feel free to ask.

Lol nice back-peddling Only took you 2 years to grasp that he's a bust relative to his draft position. Took you like 5 on Brendan Smith. You're showing real progress.

Zadina has never put up over a point per game in the NHL. Not in his rookie season. Not in his sophomore season. Not in the AHL. You = moron It's alarming how many times I've had to spell this out for you. I called Zadina a bust in November 2018. When everyone flipped out I explained that I saw him as the next coming of Hudler, explained why, and why at 6th overall that would be a bust to me. Yet you continue not understand that simple explanation even 2 years later. And you'll likely continue not to grasp this time as well... You = moron Thanks for proving my point Now run along and play in the sandbox Eva, so the adults can talk the substance of Zadina's play. Thank you.

And It's a great word for word quote taken out of context. Congratulations. I do get upset when instead of discussing hockey I have argue semantics with a moron. You don't understand Zadina's game. You have nothing of substance to say about his game beside "he gud. source: trust me dude". I used Hossa only because Hossa is regarded as a superb defensive winger. I would use a different player but none jump to mind. Most superb defensive forwards end up at center. I have praised Zadina's defense since 2018, but now suddenly when I do it in 2020 it's back peddling.... christ. This is why no one trusts Zadina shills, and the collective Red Wings community is slowly shifting into the same camp as Mackel and I. Zadina taint sniffers, what do you love about his defensive game? I'll tell what you should love about it: Zadina back checks hard, rarely is he caught in a lazy scenario where he's not moving his feet to provide D Zadina's stick work on defense is impressive. One would think the shills would be smart enough to recognize this and forward it as proof of his greatness, yet you don't... His ability to pick-pocket, stick check, or disrupt a pass on D is extremely good. Borderline Datysukian in potential (OMG HE THINKS ZADINA IS DATSYUK NOW MORE BACK PEDDLING!!). What you shouldn't like about Zadina's D game: Despite his back-checking and stick-work Zadina has no where near the situational awareness of Hossa or Datsyuk. This limits his ability to fully realize these two skills and put them to use. Skating still needs work This is what I talk about when I say Zadina shills have no substance. If you like him so much tell me why. I'm purposefully leaving his offfensive skills untouched and unmentioned here so you can have the oppurtunity to point out his strengths and weaknesses in a substantive manner. I just don't expect anyone will since your understanding of his game doesn't transcend farther than "Zadina drafted high. Scored 15 pts in 28 games" Wow clearly he's the next Hossa/Kucherov guys...