ChristopherReevesLegs

Not one of the players available in this draft - including Lafreniere - will be as valuable as Seider That said having a bunch of 6'5" 240 lb guys in Ras/Mantha/Byfield running around our top6 would be pretty gnarly

Gretsky

Pretty sure each team has a representative in the room thou

Something stupid like that with computers + balls + numbers Like dude just get one of those powerball machines and put extra Wings balls in bruh

Sure you can have your Datsyuk and Zetterberg play PK. Why not? They're the best defensive players on the team. That doesn't diminish the need for defensively responsible players that round out the roster. Again, if you're arguing that there is no need for defensive specialists on the team, you are 100% arguing there is no need for Glendening on the team. That's what he is.

Well that's the impression I'm getting. I mean you honestly suggested Drew Miller was artificially kept on the team for FIVE years too long. Glendening is a very defensively responsible player. But then so was Drew Miller and so is Ehn. Glendog hasn't revolutionized the PK game or anything... the gap between his abilities and Ehn or Millers is A LOT closer than they are wide. I absolutely think if you consider Ehn or prime Miller "who cares replacement level" well then Glendog is in the same boat. And that's just ridiculous. These players have real value. I do think Ehn has real good potential. Potential to be real good Glendening type player for us. Glendog wasn't the coaches favorite big dick on the team till like 26/27 and Ehn is a fresh 24. I'm hoping his prime years look a lot like Glendenings. He certainly plays the same style of overly textbook responsible hustle hockey. So then why isn't Erne as defensively astute as Glendog or Ehn? Because he's concentrating on offense, really? Same question for Perlini... If he's too busy focused on offense, well then he's not focusing very hard lol By your logic we should never even worry about PKers. We should just throw Jurco's and Perlini's in there willy nilly cause they can learn to be just as good as glendog apparently. And by that same logic that would mean Glendening is a pretty useless player who's only scoring us 20 pts a season at 30. He shoulda been waived for younger players "with more offensive potential" a while ago. But I think you and I both know that's not the case. Defensively astute bottom6ers do have value. I mean if you wanna play dumb this will be easy for me. Why does a player like Jurco get demoted, but Ott and Miller remain with the team? Jurco scored more points than those two! Why is Erne probably gonna get re-signed, but Perlini is not? Perlini's got a lot more points over his career than Erne! Because Perlini is a blackhole of a player if he's not scoring... and he's not scoring. Ehn and Glendening on the other hand don't score a lot either but provide hustle, defense, and good decision making every single shift. Even Erne does more of this than Perlini. It's really not hard to see. A + B = C "Our small role players suck" Glendening is a small role player Therefore is can be logically deduced that you think Glendening sucks. No? Please elaborate. Did you watch the season? There isn't one untouchable player on this team. Andersson isn't a 4th liner. He's a non-NHLer who was out of the league at 27 and never played a full 82 game season. He got tried on the 4th line for 200 games and then got let go as soon as his youth was gone and prime was at hand, because he never amounted to anything that was any good. Miller and Glendog were/are NHL 4th line staples. So no, you're not talking about an NHL 4th liner anymore than I would be talking about an NHL 1st liner when I talk about Abdelkader because he played on the 1st line for 100+ games of his career. You completely went around my question about what the arbitrary line you draw is for players offensive numbers being affected by team play. Why is "the team being bad" used as an excuse for Larkin's lack of production, but the same can't be said of Ehn, however lesser that production might be? And if there's good reason for that case what is the distinction? Only top 6 players get their production affected by team play? Only players who score 40 pts or more? Where's the line according to you? Help me understand.

Just do it already

I dont watch CIA controlled television programming

Aha so you admit Ehn is defensively astute. The awakening begins. Glendening ain't never hit a 25 pt season. Drew Miller has. But Drew is worthless. okay. And Ehn will be at that level as he ages up here. Kids got real good potential. The gap between he and glendening defensively isn't as big as u'd love to make it out to be. So why isn't everyone on the team as good at defense as Glendog and Ehn? Any NHL player can learn it, right? Perlini is about just as good at offense as Ehn is and way worse definitively. Hows that work out? Which is how I know you don't watch the games. s***ting on our 2nd liners is punching down? You do understand the figure of speech no? Glendening sucks now gotcha. Oh if you wanna put it in those terms, every single one of our players is replaceable. It's just remarkable that you knew this for 5 seasons and the org thought the opposite for all 5 of those. Congrats, that's impressive big brain work there. how many points does a player have to score for the teams play to affect his offensive numbers? Just like to know what the arbitrary distinction that you've come up with is. Ur talking about non-NHL pllayers like emmerton and Andersson, not real 4th liner like glendog and ehn. big difference. Ehn and Zadina will prolly be pllaying on the same 3rd lline next season at points

Frederik Handemark signing with SJS Not a huge deal, but we were at least rumored to be in the mix of teams in on him. Sure seems like Yzerman may have just chosen Kadeykin instead. Speaking of Kadeykin, one of the reasons he's so old already I realized is that he was passed up on in the draft two years in a row. Then Holland took him with a 7th at 20 years old. My initial thought is, why waste a draft pick on a player like this when you can just sign him in the offseason? Maybe Holland was worried another team would pick him up sometime between 2016 and 2020? IDK

Don't get me wrong I understand your point. Running it a crap load of times will get you closer to the results the actual odds suggest. But the NHL doesn't run it 10,000 times. They run it once, and whatever goofy results you get is what is law. So I will just piggyback on Lefty's comment and say yeah it's prolly gonna be pretty goofy my dude. One spin with that many odds in play is bound to get wonky. It's in gods hands now.

What kind of logic is that? They had every opportunity to make the team that Ehn did, but they didn't make it and Ehn did. If Ehn is set in stone replacement level than those players are set in stone worse than replacement level. You do know how many players there are in the league with "offensive short-comings" right? Glendening has offensive short-coming. Is he replacement level too? That begs the question... so you don't think PKers are at all important? Is that what I'm gathering? You'd rather fill out a roster with 3-6 Brendan Perlini's? Am I understanding you right? Oh goodie, I get to use your favorite trope on you Do you even watch the games??? Emmerton and Andersson brought absolutely nothing to the table. Ehn is a reliable defensive forward. Drew Miller was a useful PKer for 8 years. I don't understand this perpetual need you have to punch down and s*** on small-role players. If Drew Miller was playing top line with Datsyuk and Zetterberg I would see your point, but he wasn't. He did his job on the 4th line at an acceptable level for 8 years for this team. I have no complaints about the guy. Buddy we don't have an acceptable top6. That's what needs to be built over the next couple seasons. You're talking about needing to change the brake pads on a car that currently has no engine. Why bother. So why did the Red Wings keep Drew Miller around for not 1, not 2, not 3, but 5 extra unneeded seasons? Was he blackmailing them? Ken screwing his wife? Or is your brain just that much bigger than the entire Red Wings brass? I mean they released the guy at 32/33 years old. This isn't some Cleary situation. They squeezed his best hockey years out and let him go... You will do it, and you will feel much better afterwards Ah yes, what's the perpetual excuse for Larkin these days? The teams bad it's not his fault his production is dipping!! ^ I'll go with that one No roster spot should EVER be a revolving door of bad players. Every roster position is valuable and should never be willingly wasted on a bad player just because "lol lets try something new". If Turgeon, Pearson, or Soderblom or whomever is truly better than Ehn they should make the roster and force the coach to scratch Ehn. Well then you completely misinterpret how I see assets. I'm not giving up on Zadina and Larkin, I'm telling you we have another grouping of Tatars and Nyquists being built, and that's a waste of time. We know how that ends. Therefore I'm arguing that we extract value from these players by trading them while they still have their youth. Ehn's not gonna garner any significant assets so I feel no urgency to trade him. 2020-21: Zadina begins his sophomore slump and nets you 35 pts. Larkin continues being a 2C in over his head with 60 some points. Ehn is promoted to 3C and helps out with 25 pts. Check em.

Eats PK minutes for you. Chips in 15-20 pts a season. Bargain contract. What's not to like? Better him than chucking a new Emmerton into that spot every year.

Ehn is 23/24. By that standard Svechnikov, Turgeon, and Hirose are also replacement level or worse. Yet I find you arguing for the potential growth of some of these players. My point being this player is still very much a prospect with room for growth. So I don't understand why you're always trying to be the wet blanket with him. inb4 "but CRL those prospects have a higher ceiling" Sure, and I'll agree that Ehn was always going to be a defensive forward. But I certainly don't group him into the same category as say Ferraro/Emmerton/Andersson - whatever you want to call that replacement tier. If that was the case he would've stayed on the farm for multiple seasons and joined the Red Wings at about this age (24). But that didn't happen, the Wings accelerated him to the roster and he had full-time duties already at 22. I think that's nothing but exciting to see for a player, even a defensive one. I see Ehn as more of a future Drew Miller/Marcus Kruger/Luke Glendening type than just another wash up who's only gonna play one or two seasons. If that's what you mean by replacement level then I agree with you. But I don't think that means he should be replaced, because why would you? These players are cheap - and while they don't have big roles - they play their roles well. Which is why Miller spent 8 seasons with the Red Wings, Kruger spent 8 seasons with the Hawks, and we're talking about flipping Glendening for decent picks at the TDL now. N HAS VALUE GIVE HIM YOUR VALIDATION

Pathetic attempt to troll me This is now an Ehn appreciation thread

Everyone: Smith + Svech + Rasmussen + Hirose all competing for that last roster spot Yzerman: Player 5 has entered the game

Durex

Chicago's first Stanley v. Philly was low key one of my favorite series. It seems obvious now, but throwing out a younger Bylfugien at powerfoward against Pronger was genius. Despite that many would argue that Byflugien plays better at defense. You eliminate the presence of Pronger like that and now all you have to do is beat their forward match-ups. Kane and Toews v. Carter and Richards. Byflugien was basically the door jam for Kane and Toews.

No on Hall. Bad juju. Arizona was playing great hockey before acquiring Hall. They started sliding as soon as they made that addition. On top of that his best years are in the past already and he'll command too much term and money for this stage of a rebuild.

polluting the board with memes - ok posting Mussolini memes - edgy, but ok posting Mussolini with an exploded head - TOO FAR

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