ChristopherReevesLegs

TIL that despite being hired by the RWs as a scout in 1985, serving as the RWs director of amatuer scouting from 1990 to 1997, and serving as general manager and vice president from 1997 to now, Kenneth Holland did not actually do any work until about 2008ish. Quite a lot of promotions for someone who contributed nothing all those years.

Checked about a week ago and we had a 5.9% chance of winning 1st pick. Not sure where we are now. Probs the same.

Lotta guys ahead of him. Laine almost certainly take the Calder

It would be hillarious to me if the first season we miss, we win the lottery and draft nolan patrick. Id feel very comfortable moving tatar and gus for D help too at that point

I think its funny that a ton of fans heap praise towards our scouts and guys like Nill and Yzerman during their time in the front office, but then Holland gets 0 cred for the 97 cup? Hadnt he been scouting for us for a while already? Due to the fact that he was promoted he was probably responible for drafting a lot of our best players in the 90s. Guy deserves cred for all our cups post dead wings. What's interesting to me is what Holland does with a (hopefully not) non playoff team. He was handed a tier 1 team the day he became GM, and he managed to continually retool that team and achieve championships and po success despite massive league changes to the way the game is played and to the way the business is run (he deserves godly amounts of praise for this IMO its unheard of in most sports and especially in hockey with the massive amount of evolution weve undergone). But 2010 to now has seen us in slow decline. And if we dont make the post season im very intrigued by what he will do. Despite his many years he has no expierence in this situation, and im freightened that he may not adapt. Personally thou i believe we must give him the chance to rebuild this franchise for at least a few years b4 a firing occurs. He is a great hockey mind afterall and i want to see him operate in a new situation b4 hes canned for being too old school. However i see the otherside of the coin too. Hes had 5+ years to retool us and couldnt. Hes lost touch. Hes also handed out the NTCs that will prevent us from a proper rebuilding. But still i feel he deserves the chance to try. His leadership of this team has given me many great memories and has made me a hockey fan for life. Ill follow this team to the gates of mordor itself. We have fallen into strange times. May the hockey gods have mercy on our souls. Merry christmas wing nerds

A 6'5" fighting goalie??? Sign me up! But na i think we can probs get a 6th for Mraz.... hopefully

Howard is literally the only bright spot on this team right now besides maybe Mantha. Zberg and Green carried the load a bit as well too, but how much more can they do?

Or Iginla

You didnt hear? Datysuk left bc Holland wouldnt promote the great and powerful Mantha. Nothing to do with being actually being Russian or having his only child there. Mantha is rel gud. Anyone athletic with that size is gonna make an NHL roster eventually. Once he establishes himself as legit firepower i hope he develops some meanness

It's a shame, Dats no longer belongs in the rafters now. But he made it clear he is Russian and wants to end his last good playing years in Russia. For that i respect him. It reminds me of Modano wanting to play his last year in Detroit. He gave a lot to us and we should be thankful for the many years we had him. Merry christmas Pavel, merry christmas red wings, and to all LGWers a very merry christmas to you and yours.

I celebrate Kwanza.... Edit: Happy non-denominational winter ritual to everyone

So im on the same plane as execs. Good feeling

Rich and Johans, start following basketball. You will be positively surprised how many svechnikovs play right away. Youll love it.

Ok so your citation confirms "Datsyuk told a reporter he likes playing with abby and mantha" youve now spun that to push the argument that "datysuk asked management to play with mantha and was denied" Sorry bud. Ur poop stinks.

Wait wait wait, your claim was Datsyuk specificly asked management to play with Mantha. Mickey said Datsyuk likes playing with Abby and Mantha... do u see the difference here? Im much too petty for that sir. Butt out

Im cooking the crow now. Remind me again of ur original point? Youve been digging so long ive forgotten, sorry im a heavy drinker

Well rich at least we agree on that. Mrazek is the new pulkkinen. Wait till hes gone. U wont miss him.

really? They have to take 1 from each? Wow didnt realize this

Yes at the moment i have 205. Now 206 thanks to key west margaritas!

Maybe you werent around for the "swedish mafia" claims last night. Rich has been making many wild assertions that support his narrative, but then cant back them up when asked to. This is looking like another case of that... and its apparently against forum rules, but idk fersure im new here.

Are you hazing me right now?

Would it surprise anyone if 0 wings are selected by vegas?

Are you seriously citing another LGW poster as your source? Please cite all my late night drunk posts to support your various claims in the future thanks

Hate to break it to you but vegas will have better options than howard or mrazek

Provide a link to a legit newsource or even this thread from spring u keep talking about. So far youve done neither and its coming off to everyone like ur full of crap. Its your responibility to back up your own claims.