Axl Foley

It wasnt amateur media hype. Zadina was listed 3rd among NA skaters by CS and Dahlin was arguably the only skater on the Euro side to rank higher. It wasnt just Holland, even professional scouts, guys paid to evaluate talent, were fooled.

Lol. I literally listed multiple places where he was not slated to go that high. Danielson was ranked 7th among NA Skaters by central scouting. That isn't taking into account Euros and goalies. And Dvorsky, Sale, Benson, ASP, and Wood were all available at 9. And I do think it was a surprise to the analysts I listed, as well as Craig Button, who had him going at 16, or Bob McKenzie, who ranked him at 15. My point was that there are players SY might have been able to get later and acquire or dump assets in the process if he was willing to take the risk. We can never know without knowing who the next team was who wanted said player. I dont see why that is so problematic.

No it isnt. The draft is having guys you like and drafting the best one available when its your turn. Or trading up to get someone you really like. Or trading down if you think you that gets you the biggest return on investment. Doesn't one team essentially have to trade down in order for another to trade up? Are you saying that doesnt happen? are you saying that GMs dont take risks by trading down? It happens every draft. Every single move you make in the draft is a risk/gamble. I wasn't aware there were sure things in the draft. And no one said that GMs follow public boards. But mock drafts and rankings are based on scouting reports and team needs. Kinda the same things teams use to determine draft picks, no? It's not like teams are drafting entirely different players than the analysts. The players are what they are. And if you dont think teams pay attention to rankings, then how could they possibly know who to spend the most time scouting? Why even bother to have Central Scouting at all?

Not sure if true, but that is what I am talking about. If you want Cholowski and you can rid yourself of a bad contract and still get him, that is what you do. Berggren needs to be on the roster this year. This team is lacking almost an entire 2nd line.

There isn't any of his picks he for sure could have gotten later. That is part of the gamble. But I can say that I did not see one mock draft that had Danielson going to Detroit at 9. Saw him going anywhere from 10 to 16. Also he was not ranked in the top 10 of any prospect list that I saw. Elite Prospects ranked him at 13, Hockey News 22, Sportsnet 19. Danielson could arguably have been had later if SY traded down. A risk? Yes. But that is what the draft is.

I was gonna say Seider cuz I thought that was the draft that EDM took Bouchard at 10. That was 2018, KH was still in Detroit drafting Zadina. Not enough wiggle room to trade down in 2019. But I think it would have been considered a surprise even if Seider was taken at 8.

It is if you are picking in the middle to late first round and there isn't anyone left on the board who you see as significantly better. If you can get the same caliber player by trading down a few spots and unloading a bad contract in the process, you should do it. Obviously, if there is a guy at your pick that you like, and he probably won't be there if you trade down, then you don't. But as we have seen with SY over the past few drafts, the guys he wants are not necessarily who anyone suspected, and guys he could have gotten later.

He has never traded up his first overall pick, only additional first round picks. And he doesn't have any of those this draft.

He looks like Dustin from Stranger Things. I would like to see him trade down and clear out a bad contract.

Why? It's a mens league equivalent. And he is NOT NHL ready.

Yzerman has only had 5 drafts, 2019-2023. He only traded up in 2 of them: 2021 and 2023. And those were the 2nd of their 1st round picks those years, ASP and Cossa. Yzerman has never traded up for his 1st overall pick. And I dont expect him to do it this year.

No

And they were stronger drafts. The cost to trade up to get a significant upgrade over 15 would be too high. A player drafted in the late teens or early 20s would not be a significant downgrade from 15.

Yzerman is not trading up. If anything, he will trade down.

allvin. rangers gm is one of the easiest in the nhl.

I have no idea what this means.

You guys are overestimating Jojo and ASP. The latter is not ready as an NHL dman. And the former is not better than moat of the D already on the roster.

You guys are overly optimistic about Kasper and Danielson.

By not offering 16 total years to a 22 year old player. Not even sure that is possible.

No

Pesce would be an improvement on the right side over Holl and Petry and a great D partner for Eddy.

I don't think Seider gets Larkin money. 8.5 would technically keep him under that, but I think it will be less if it's an 8 year term. I underestimated Raymond based on other recent contracts. I still don't think he gets 7.5 on an 8 year deal tho. Larkin's contract is 8.7 AAV.

I don't see Ray getting 7.5 if its an 8 year. I could see a 50 mil dollar long term deal, but the annual salary goes down the longer the term.

I would say that is fair value.

Agreed. Seider will be hard pressed to prove his limited resume deserves more money than Larkin's body of work.