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Not Mantha. If we really want to be a s***s and giggles armchair GM, how about this: Trade Green to team A for a 1st and prospect that will make the team next season (that is what they said Holland wants on the broadcast last night ). Then turn around and trade that acquired 2018 1st, Tatar (because NSH wants Nyquist) and a 2019 2nd for Karlsson. Would that do it? 2018 acquired 1st, Tatar, 2019 2nd. The 2nd is going to still be in the 30's in 2019.

It doesn't matter what it would take to get him via trade. Not many Cup contenders would be willing to pay the price, so he more than likely wouldn't be moved to a contender. He'd be moved to a team that is out of the playoff race and the 1st rounder would be more attractive to Ottawa. If he is dealt to a team that is also out of the playoffs, he more than likely won't be re-signing there. Keep our assets, see what he wants come July 1. We have to be in the top 5 teams he'd like to play for. It's been joked about, but if we make the right adjustments and moves before July 1, he just may take a sweetheart deal to play here BECAUSE he is so close to our Swedish guys. Honestly, with the way E has played this season, it may be a pretty nice thing to see Karlsson - Ericsson as our top pair. I know we've dogged E a lot over the years (especially me) but once Green is gone, E has really been our most reliable D. Put Karlsson with him and if E keeps it up next season, that would be a very good to great combination of an offensive D and a defensive D.

I have said before we don't NEED to trade either of them, but the more I think about it, I am fine with trading BOTH of them. If there is any water in the Iles rumor, then make the Howard deal and get an average Goalie back to finish up the year. Trade Mrazek for the best return he can bring, I guess if a 3rd is the best, then so be it. We'd have Halak and Coreau, but maybe something will present itself come summer. I am just so tired of the inconsistency of both of the Goalies ad don't really want to move past this season with either of them. Howard I have been done with for years, even though Petr is doing better recently, I am fine with trading him (or not qualifying him July) as well. We'll find a goalie. IF we are able to draft a couple good players that have great potential (Dahlin would help) and attract maybe JT and/or Karlsson, we will find a goalie. Once the team shows that it is back in the winning column more than not, plus looking like a bright future, UFA's will once again look our way, and we will be on that "Accept a trade to" list for the NTC's players once again. Right now we have over $12M in Cap for next year (rumor has it Cap will go up as well) we have 5 RFA's that we need to re-sign. AA, Larkin and Mantha will probably suck up $9M-$10M of that $12M. I don't expect Bert or Frk to get too much of a raise. If we can trade XO, Jimmy, Gus, (rumored) Glenny and maybe Tatar as well as one of Helm/Abby(not all at deadline, but maybe before July 1) we'd open up a ton of Cap space to try to lure JT and possibly Karlsson here. I know we would still need a goalie, but honestly, with an improved team and D (especially if we were able to draft one of the top 3 D in the draft) if wouldn't be so bad as it sounds by trading all those players. Besides, I'd still LOVE to try and get a lottery position for 2019 and try to land Jack Hughes for our #1 Center spot. Bobby Mac says that if he were eligible for the draft this season, he would be the one player to knock Dahlin off the #1 spot. I realize this is a lot to happen, and it probably won't. But at least there have been rumors out there that we are shopping a Goalie, XO, and there has been interest in Nyquist and Tatar. So honestly if Holland has a true fire sale, trading those guys along with Green at the deadline is really NOT out of the realm of possibility... Even if we just go with the names that have been attached to teams: Green to TPA, XO to MTL, Nyquist to NSH, Howard to NYI, Glenny to TOR, that alone is a huge firesale. Then I would still hope that Holland is active at the draft and shopping around Tatar and Helm. I think either way, even if Howard is the one traded, Mrazek will not be here net season either. So we stand to clear a TON of cap space and at the very least can EASILSY re-sign our RFA's and put a serious offer in on JT if he wants to listen, either that or a huge offer on Karlsson, and you know with the Swedish connection, he will at least listen. ESPECIALLY if we are able to get this Dahlin kid! This is going to be THE TDL and off-season that puts the bookend on Holland's tenure as GM. Yes, get what we can for players, but most importantly, get MANY, MANY draft picks, clear cap, get a high lottery pick and make a HUGE signing or two on July 1.

If our goalies really aren't worth that much, then screw it, trade both, get what you can. The next two drafts are supposed to be deep? Then get all the picks you can! How about Mrazek for a 2019 2nd? Whatever happens we cannot qualify him. He'll sign that deal in an instant. WE NEED THE CAP SPACE. JT may not come here, but just like with Stampkos and Suter we have to have the cap to make an offer, we'd be stupid not to.

No no no to trading for him. We are acquiring assets to rebuild this team, trading for him would cost too many of those assets we have already. If he wanted to test UFA and sign here on a Swedish discount, I'm all for it! No to trading for him...can't say it enough. I will help you goat because I too believe he may come here cheaper than somewhere else. If that is what you are referring to when you say "pull and Andersson."

Forum Rules? Hmmmm....you don't say...

I'm in! Getting my resume together now! Can I use you guys as references?

Jeepers creepers!

I'm so glad youth is leading this teams rebuild.

You know, a Wings player getting a hat trick is so rare anymore that you would think Arbys would up it to a Large Curley Fry....

Ya

In all seriousness, E has been very solid and reliable for most of the season. I'm really surprised that there isn't interest in him from a contender. You would think Babcock would love to have him on TO.

We need this #1 pick AND 2019 #1 pick!

Well then Holland doesn't know how to negotiate. Philly: hey Kenny, is Mrazek still available? Kenny: Ya! Philly: alright cool, we'll send that 3rd over to Ya! Kenny: ya, the 3rd is now a 2nd. Philly: no ******* way! Kenny: ok, we'll keep him. Simple. We don't HAVE to get rid of anyone. Holland has the upper hand with all the players teams want. We have what they need, for the 1st time in s long time. Now's not the time to accept low offers. We don't have to.

Well with the latest goalie injury in Philly, looks like the price just went up to acquire one of ours!

Wat? Wit? Wer?

Jimmy's play ALWAYS drops off after the new year...every year. With the exception of a solid one here and there...

Meh, no injury, trade is forthcoming. If he's labeled a healthy scratch then everyone would know what Holland is up to...negotiations are happening now! Bidding war is about to hit ramming speed! In reality, I hope its not bad. He definitely needs to sit until the deadline. We don't need ANYTHING keeping from getting the best return!

No matter who we get, we need to tank again next season for Jack Hughes.

I think your avatar would make a better pic for this instead of the dog!

Getting this thread back to topic, here is some interesting goalie news from McKenzie Flyers options without Brian Elliott The Flyers were hovering around the playoff bubble and have just lost their starting goaltender Brian Elliot to injury for about one and a half months. Bob McKenzie: "Well right now I think they want to see how Michal Neuvirth and Alex Lyon step up in the absence of Brian Elliott. They’ve got a little bit of time before the deadline to try and gauge that but they know what’s out there, I mean, Antti Niemi from Montreal is available, Petr Mrazek from the Detroit Red Wings is available, and keep an eye on the Buffalo Sabres goaltending situation; Chad Johnson is a pending UFA, he could be available, and right now Buffalo is not committed long term to Robin Lehner, he’s a restricted free agent at the end of the year but he’s one year away from unrestricted free agency. The Sabres could hold onto him and not qualify him and just let him walk to free agency and let Linus Ullmark take over as their number one, or they could conceivably sign him to a short term deal to compliment with Ullmark, their goaltender of the future in Buffalo, or they could just let him go themselves and let him go to free agency in the offseason. So keep an eye on the Buffalo goaltending situation the rest of the way."

Sheesh! Jamaican! We really have a ton of bases covered! Ask most Jamaican's, they will tell you they are not a black person. Same as Haitians and folks from the DR. Point being, AA is not the only brown skinned player on this team. So Trevor is half Caucasian half Jamaican....so not black in the traditional sense.

While we're at it, you do know that Abdelkader is Arabic, right? Justin's paternal grandfather Yusuf Abdul Qadir (Anglicised to Joseph Abdelkader) immigrated to Muskegon from Jordan. So we have a lot of diversity covered!

Oh, one of those things, just like AA is an American. Don't know many BLACK people, but plenty of brown.