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Honestly, I think they'll need Hutchinson when they ultimately send Cossa and Lethemon back to Toledo.

We are back baby! Here's the official camp roster with all invitees! Anisimov is an interesting invitee, as is Hutchinson at G. I'm kinda pulling for that guy!

Stamkos to Detroit back to his boy Yzerman, start the rumors! In other words, Tampa won't pay him his worth. https://x.com/Chris_Krenn/status/1704517551005299192?s=20

There are a bunch of "if's" but I believe they still win 08, and even with Rafalski on one leg, they could've still won 09. Game 6 or 7, one more goal. Fedorov could've played D and made up for Rafalski on one leg. I realize it's all hindsight and maybe's, but the fact remains that with all the crap coming out of how much of a dick Babcock was and still is, it scraps my ass knowing that he was most likely the guy who had the "no" vote to bring Sergei back.

With this latest Babcock news, and all of the other news about him being a dick to players, I am reminded of the 2008 TDL when we almost re-acquired Sergei Fedorov. It was wildly rumored that Babcock was the one that didn't want him to come play here. I am encouraged that even though Babdick didn't want him here, Holland still tried to acquire him, but didn't want to pay the price. Filppula and a 1st, which is ironic since he was so quick to give a 1st away for KFQ without blinking an eye. This was just CBJ ask, there was no counter by Holland as far as I can remember, and Fedorov ended up going to Washington for pretty much a nobody who turned in to a bigger nobody. Flip had a nice career, after he left Detroit, but IMO, if Detroit would've re-acquired Sergei, they probably would've won back to back in 08/09. Plus if it was the 09 1st rounder, heaven forbid that we didn't trade that for a 2nd and a 3rd (Ferraro and Nestrasil) they really did so much to help this franchise! Shulda, woulda, coulda, but looking back, this is an early indication about how Babcock let personal feelings get in the way of a teams success. Fast forward to what we are all learning about him now, with multiple Red Wings and Maple Leafs stories, I really cannot stand this guy and really wish he wasn't part of this team's History. He ruined many players swan-songs, including what should've been a glorious homecoming for Mike Modano.

So. I'm really pulling for Cossa, but could this end up being a bad pick? How is Wallstedt doing? Also, looking at what's left of the Leddy trade to St. Louis, are we going to regret him trading that 2nd round pick (Raty.) I'm not going all John Scott here and questioning the Yzerplan, but Cossa hasn't looked good. Should we be scared?

God I hope not.

I tried to find a complete camp roster to start a thread, but all I could find was the prospects roster. There is this on their website, but it doesn't include Cameron Hillis (PTO) and I am sure there will be plenty more Camp Invitees than this roster shows. https://www.nhl.com/redwings/roster

we all were! Lets hope our hype for Ed and Kasper is warranted this time!

It sure sounded nice at the time! Well, at least we still have Larkin and Berggren! Ugh!

This must've been the hypiest of hype for Zadina! I am just playing though, like I said, we ALL fell for the hype! Also, good call on Mantha! Most of us felt he was going to be the next 40+ goal scorer. Sheesh, I hope Yzerman's picks work out better than Holland's! Must remain cautious from here on out! No more over-Hype!

After reading through that long thread, I apologize because I was still pretty stupid back then, still complaining too much and yes, still having to endure my whole Tippet and Hague crap I put you all through. I also apologize, because it seems I was the first one to mention knabbing Zadina on page 1! In my defense though we ALL were interested in him and all pretty much said it would be a miracle if he fell to us! Also, for all the "I wish Holland would've drafted Hughes" talk I put out there now, it seems, throughout the thread, even though I do mention him now and then as one of the choices at D, I was all about Bouchard. I even bitched and moaned that if Holland drafted Hughes or Boqvist over Bouchard, it would be the same old Holland playbook! A playbook, it seems, that I was making up as the days went on! Again, apologies. But honestly throughout the thread, we all seemed excited of the chance to have Zadina to fall to us, but we were also hoping for a D with our first pick. We all loved Holland's 4 picks, Zadina, Veleno, Berggren and McIsaac. We still have three of them, Berg seems like the best of them. Which, of course, I was still on my anti-Euro rants back then too, in which I really, REALLY apologize for! I honestly think I was just becoming anti-Holland at the time. Thank Goodness Yzerman is here now! Thank Goodness that I changed who I was to who I am now. But, honestly, I did provide some quality entertainment for you guys! My draft day/Trade Deadline and UFA meltdowns were and always will be epic! Franzen/Hudler and Tippet/Hague will go down as some of the best (and worst) banter on this forum! Drafts are a crapshoot, we all know this. We ALL pretty much fell for the Zadina Hype, as matter of fact here is the thread about that!

Raymond at $6.5? I am not sure he has earned that, but if he does really, REALLY good this season, maybe. I saw talk about Mo maybe wanting a bridge deal (around 3x$8M) in order to cash in later on. I hope Yzerman can convince Claude and Mo to accept the 8 year deal now ($9.5M sounds great) because if he continues along his climb, in three years he will probably cost $12M+.

In a land of "could haves," it makes me wonder if Detroit didn't fall from 4th to 6th in the 2018 draft, would Holland have drafted Tkachuk at 4, or still taken Zadina since he was touted as the 3rd best player in the draft? I'm still so mad that he took Zadina over Bouchard and Hughes, when that is all they talked about was Defense, Defense, Defense! We all debated over 4 D-men primarily leading up to that draft, Hughes, Bouchard, Boqvist and Dobson. Some people kicked around some forward names, but I don't think anybody picked Zadina. Of course, at the time, he was touted #3, so maybe nobody thought they'd get him. I do remember a lot of folks were happy with the pick, even more so when they got Veleno later. Some "insiders" said Holland won the draft. I'm gonna go back to that thread and read through it.