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So when we sign AA, we'll have 12 forwards signed, then minus Franzen back to 11. Witkowski as the 12th forward, no cap for the 13th. With Franzen on LTIR we have $933,333 in cap space. That's an insult to AA, and again, it doesn't leave any to give a 13th forward. So with Witkowski as the 12th forward, we are rolling with 12, 8, 2. I know we don't have to have 23 men, but for a team that missed the playoffs to not have a full roster spells disaster. If we give AA only the $933, that WILL make us the highest paid team in the NHL. That's an issue when we will once again be a team fighting for a final playoff spot, or worse. Ken Holland is such an ass for those stupid contracts to Helm, Glenny and Abby. Helm and Abby should not be over $3M and Glenny should have never seen over $1M. We really got screwed when Vegas didn't take any Cap from us.

So this leaves AA less than a million and nothing for a 13th forward... better be a trade coming or Kronwall on permanent LTIR.

I'm hoping he turns out to be good too! Can't change things, he ours and Tippett is not.

WHat was Holland thinking? I cannot get over this and will never forgive him. All types of goals too, not just the wrister...Holland made a huge mistake.

....and Owen Tippet signs his ELC. With only 10 forwards signed, he will make the team and I am betting ROY. OWEN TIPPETT Florida Panthers Right wing Cap Hit: $925,000 Accumulated Daily Cap Hit: : $0 Remaining Daily Cap Hit: : $0 CURRENT CONTRACT ENTRY-LEVEL CONTRACT LENGTH: 3 YEARS EXPIRY STATUS: RFA SIGNING TEAM: Florida Panthers VALUE: $4,975,000 C.H.% : 1.23 SIGNING DATE: July 19, 2017 SOURCE: CapFriendly SEASON CLAUSE CAP HIT AAV P. BONUSES S. BONUSES BASE SALARY TOTAL SALARY MINORS SALARY 2017-18 $925,000 $1,658,333 $500,000 $92,500 $832,500 $925,000 $70,000 2018-19 $925,000 $1,658,333 $850,000 $92,500 $832,500 $925,000 $70,000 2019-20 $925,000 $1,658,333 $850,000 $92,500 $832,500 $925,000 $70,000

I'd be ok with this, but its absolutely imperative that someone goes on LTIR along with Franzen or someone gets dealt.

When you realize that once again you are going to have the highest payroll in the NHL and will probably, once again miss the playoffs.

Take OEL and lock him up long term.

We aren't going anywhere, trade them as soon as you can. I believe their trade value is high enough now to get a few good picks for them. Why risk the chance of injury if anything their value go down by the deadline? I understand the opposite, maybe they'll raise their game and be more valuable, maybe...honestly, if they do that and we are sniffing the playoffs, you know Holland will not deal them.

I still think Tatar is the better option than Nyquist, but he's not going to be happy nor want to re-sign here, so get him traded to a contender as soon as you can.

I didn't say I wanted to sign Tatar at 5x5, I said it'd be ok. I'd trade him too if it meant giving him more than that. I'm with you, if he got Nyquist money so be it, but id still be looking at ways to shed cap. We arent going anywhere with these overpaid players. ...and if you read back a few pages, I said trade Tatar and sign Vanek for $4Mish. I was keeping Nyquist. But if I'm trying to shed cap, he's not untouchable.

I list him with those guys to clear cap. He is one that is replaceable within. Mrazek, Helm, Ericsson, Nyquist. We wouldn't miss them if we had to open up cap.

He should, and I would be ecstatic if he did. If he gets $5.5M or more, and only gets 50 points? You better believe I'll hate it.

Theres just not enough cap for us. There has to be trades. There absolutely has to, or we're screwed. I also complain about Helm and Abby's contracts. $5Mish is the going rate now, if Nyquist were to sign today for $4.75M or would be fine, I hope Tatar gets similar, but 3 years ago, $4.75M was too much for his production, he was more near $3M. That was the complaint because they overpaid him and he severely under performed. Now that the market has risen he is right in the mix of it, but we wasted a few million on him for a few years. Can't imagine what he will ask for in 2 years after netting only 40-50 points in each.

Id do 5X5, because it gives us $1.2M for AA. But there still has to be trades because that only makes 12 forwards if you include Witkowski. Which gives us 22 players with no cap for the 23rd. We trade a couple to clear cap, bring up 3 from GR or sign Vanek and bring up 2. Trade Mrazek, Ericsson and Helm, I don't care what the return, that'll free up $12M more. They'll make $18Mish total. $5M to Tatar, $1.5M to AA, $4M to Vanek, bring up Svech and Smith. That still leaves about $6M in cap for call ups, deadline, or just to save for next year when we need to give Larkin and Mantha big raises.

Well, considering he made $2.75 it would be nearly a $2M increase. But, that contract was a hometown discount, hge signed that after Nyquist got his. Then after he signed it, Abby and Helm got way overpaid. I understand the reasoning behind what he wants, but there just isn't any cap. That's Holland's fault. He needs to trade away some cap. We needed to lose $4M at expansion PLUS trade away about $12M in mediocre cap space. One of our goalies, Nyquist, Helm and Ericsson. None of which we'd miss and are all replaceable from within. If Holland would take better care of his house, we wouldn't be in this situation, but he still thinks that these players will get better even though they get older, so he hangs on to them....for far too long.

Yes it is interesting...not sure if this is anything, but this guy's equipment just passed through my hands on its way to Grand Rapids.

I was joking because nobody but Holland was horny to draft him at #9. The joke was that only Holland would think he was as valuable as Tavaras...obviously most of you think he's more valuable....and yes, Frk has to pass through waivers no matter what. It has nothing to do with 2-way or 1-way, that's for salary. To answer your question, yes I would trade him for Tavares. Of course with the understanding he re-sign a huge deal.

Since he was so valuable and a superstar pick, I'll trade Rasmussen straight up for Tavares. I won't even ask them for their 1st round pick in 2018.

Trades are hard, mkay...

because REAL GM's are actively trying to make their teams more competitive.

Holland to trade Tatar and Mrazek? Oh, nevermind, I forgot. Trades are hard...for Holland.

This is what great GM's do.

Nope, I only have 1 account, been the same since day 1!

Wait, Holland offered him a contract, he didn't accept, then when he wants the offered contract, it's no longer on the table? No.....that never happens <cough cough> Fedorov <cough cough>