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I've looked at multiple mock drafts, one has us taking Pettersson, another taking Rassmussen, 2 of them has us taking Kostin, another taking Necas, Tolvanen and then this one: (which, BTW, was the 3rd one I pulled up.) http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/ 9 Owen Tippett Ht/Wt:6' 2"/200 lbs Position:RW Team: Mississauga (OHL) I'll take it!

Yep, and he is playing on the same team as Tippett and Hague. If we don't any moving on draft day, I hope the stars align! Easy, you are on the verge on calling that a "Holland Pick" which I have been scolded that it does not exist! That it's a false narrative, no such thing.

Right now they have 12 forwards, 7 D and 2 G for 21 players. (counting Ericsson) 1. Z 2. Nielsen 3. Abby 4. Nyquist 5. Tatar 6. Helm 7. Glenny 8. AA 9. Miller 10. Mantha 11. Sheahan 12. Larkin 1. DD 2. Green 3. Kronwall 4. Sproul 5. Jensen 6. Ouellet 7. Ericsson 1. Mrazek 2. Howard They aren't signing Miller, so that makes 11 forwards, for 20 total players. (I'm not counting Franzen, but I am counting AA and Ouellet) If they subtract Howard, Mrazek, Tatar that's 17, add Bishop and Hamilton makes 19. (after AA and Ouellet re-sign) If you now bring up Coreau that's back to 20, but in my scenario I included Sproul in the LA trade, so that's back down to 19. That leaves us 4 spots to fill with call-ups and or UFA signing. AA - Z - Mantha Nyquist - Nielsen - Larkin Svech - Helm - Swedish Kid Abby - Glenny - Sheahan Call-up/Call-up DD - Hamilton Ouellet - Green Ericsson - Jensen Kronwall Bishop Coreau Remember when we all thought this last July when he was signing all those forwards?

They've also signed Christoffer Ehn to an ELC. He was drafted by Detroit in 2014 the 4th round.

OK, watched (the very biased) replay of the hit. First of all Ovi should have gotten a penalty for his slash, that was vicious. 2nd, Niskanen should not have even gotten a penalty. 3rd, the called 2 minutes for cross checking, then after seeing the scoreboard replay (which arenas are not allowed to replay penalties on the scoreboard) they changed the call to 5 and a game...bulls*** all over. This is why I hate Crosby and the way the NHL treats him. You make a call, stick with the call. I wasn't even aware they could change a call. The only reason they changed it is because they watched the slow motion replay on the scoreboard. The refs should be fined, the arena should be fined. Can't do too much about the playing time, but the penalty minutes should be rescinded. It's bulls*** like this that if Crosby is out for the playoffs and Pitt gets eliminated, i wont feel sorry for either of them. it was an unfortunate event that resulted in the head being hit. Was not on purpose, there was no intention or malicious act. How many times has Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, for example, been hit, in more malicious ways only to not have a result like this? Or even lessor players? Ask that guys finger how it feels about Crosby's concussion...not saying he deserves it, but it's just bulls*** that the NHL coddle's him and that team.

No, it doesn't. Detroit trades the 9th pick to LA for Ben Bishop and the 11th pick. Detroit trades the 11th pick and Mrazek, Tatar to Calgary for Hamilton and the 18th(??) pick. With the 18th pick Detroit selects Nic Hague. (if there) I know the way I wrote it before, it looks a lot more complicated, but its actually simple and it's really not a EA Sport trade. Will it happen? Of course not, but it could and it's an actual hockey trade that helps everybody involved. LA gets a higher pick, plus a lessor asset for Bishop (instead of just letting him walk.) Calgary (who needs a goalie) gets Mrazek plus a 25 goal scorer in Tatar AND the 11th pick for Hamilton (who they have talked about trading before) and their 1st. Detroit gets a 1st rounder, Dougie Hamilton and Ben Bishop. BOTH upgrades to our current members of those positions.. Hey, like I said, it isn't going to happen, but it does make sense for all involved. Except maybe Vages.

OK, after making all those moves, that would leave us with: Z, Nielsen, Nyquist Abby, Helm, Mantha Glenny, Sheahan, Larkin, AA DD, Green Ouellet, Jensen Ericsson, Hamilton, Kronwall Bishop, Coreau (no, those aren't lines, I was just listing the players) That leaves us about $4.2M to bring up or sign a project (That Swedish Kid) to help fill out the roster. We'd need 4 more players to give us the 23 man roster.

Stick with me for a moment, and no, I'm not going to bashing players or (hopefully) coming up with unrealistic trades... Let's say we trade a 3rd to Vages to get them to claim Jimmy. We then trade our 1st and an asset to LA Kings for their 1st and rights to Bishop. We then trade that 1st to Calgary along with Mrazek, Sproul and Tatar for Hamilton and their 1st. Then we sign Bishop for 5 years $7M. Then we draft Hague (if there) with the 1st we got from Calgary. So.... to LA : 9th pick, Asset. (shouldn't be much since they're getting a higher pick and then something for Bishop) to CGY : 11th pick (frm LA) Petr Mrazek, Tomas Tatar, Sproul to DET : 1st round from CGY( probably around 15-18,) Dougie Hamilton, Ben Bishop (from LA) The only sticking point, I believe, is convincing LV to take Howard. Of course we'd have to already have a deal ready for Bishop that he wants. He'd be guaranteed the starter and he'd get paid. Plus when his contract is up, he'd be only two years older than Howard is now. I wouldn't get Tippett, but oh well, we'd have Hamilton and Bishop. Kronner could retire if he still feels the need, or he can just mop up with #7 duties. DD - Hamilton Ouellet - Green Ericsson - Jensen Kronwall Bishop Coreau That I agree as well. I'd still rather pay up for one of the best goalies, than pay Mrazek $4M to stink like last year...even though it wasn't all his fault.

I understand that, but, he's proven way better than what we have. Jimmy is 33 at $5.2M. He isn't winning us anything. Petr, 25, $4M, should get near $6M next go around, was his last season and a half a fluke or is that who he is? I love Mrazek, but think of all the cap space we could shed, plus upgrade D and G.

I'd be much happier with Liljegren than Pettersson. Tippett, Hague, Suzuki, Liljegren. That would be my preferred order. One if the other isn't available. Liljegren is at least a position of need, he's RH'd, and if Lidstrom is recommending him, that's a pretty good reference.

For sure. Unless we lose Sheahan, which won't help us much. My comments were just to say Holland can't keep all his depth this year, he doesn't have enough cap room to do so. Tatar, Nyquist, Helm, Ericsson, Green (although he'll probably be a deadline sale,) Howard, Mrazek. Those are the guys who have trade marks on them. I b don't think we trade Abby, if he isn't here it's because he was claimed. How's this for a thought..lose Howard in the expansion, trade Mrazek in a package for a D, put a huge bid in on Bishop.

Assuming Tatar doesn't get claimed, he'd going to cost $5M at least, more realistically, he gets Nielsen money. What's that leave you 500,000 to resign AA? cap space will need to be created. He'll have to dump salary somehow, from somewhere...

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The one thing that may attract teams to Howard is we'd most likely be just looking for the salary dump, so mayb w Howard would be cheaper to acquire than some other goalies. If all it costs is a draft pick, he'd be worth the gamble for a team who may not want to lose many assets...

I'd be cool with Tippett, Hague, Suzuki or Liljegren...in that order.

If Tippett is there along with Pettersson, Tippett would be the choice for what this team needs. Pettersson would be the status quo of Ken Holland. Sure he's drafted a lot of kids 6' to 6'3", but most of the ones that have made any showing in Detroit have been finesse players. Mantha is maybe the exception when it comes to that. But really even Mantha isn't as physical or as much as a power forward as Tippett. I really hope Holland gets Tippett. I want to believe that Holland wants to bring this team to the next step to compete with the bigger teams in the NHL. Not just draft a player just because he's a familiar type pick.

I don't know, I'm not sure who's good or bad when it comes to inside info...

Just saying that because Drouin is better than anyone we have to offer.

There goes our chances at a top defender...

2017) Owen Tippett

Nope, that'll be a Holland pick if it shakes out that way. My opinion, it'd be a waste to draft pettersson while Tippett is a still on the board. Holland says every year he wants to get bigger, draft kids that are tougher to play against, but in Holland fashion he'll draft a small finesse play that we have ZERO need for over the exact player he describes that we need...but until it's done, we can only hope Tippett is the next Red Wing drafted. Not some finesse kid just because he's is a typical Holland pick. I have faith that Holland will draft Tippett if he's there. I'm actually surprised they didn't slot us drafting Liljegren.

Moved along...I'm not the one(s) who keep bringing it up and quoting. We watch you do the same stuff every year, but under new usernames...

I hope that Tippett falls to us or if not, Holland takes Hague at 9. We've already established that this pick more than likely won't be in the NHL next season. Or trade back for a lower 1st and an extra 2nd and take Hague.

OK, ya, I'm now confused...what the heck is all that!?! They drafted Primeau 3rd overall in 1990 and Lapointe 10th in 91.