LeftWinger

I agree with both of you. We have so many needs. My only concern is, lets say we keep a top 6 pick, draft a center at that spot, do you think he will see 2017-18 NHL action? This is Holland...there has to be a spot for him in order to make the team. Even when Larkin made it, it was only because Datsyuk was hurt. He played well enough to stay, but if Pav were healthy, Larkin would've started in GR and would be seeing spotty time in the NHL... Trouba would be in the NHL from day one. I'm going to copy and paste this response over to the deadline thread, so we don't derail this Draft thread.

I agree, but what do we need more? I think we start with an established top D. He'd easily come in and be #1 here. Neither us nor WPG are going anywhere this season. It just depends on who gets the higher top 6 pick. Make this deal at the deadline. It isnt going to change the outcome if either team this season. Theoretically I guess one of us could go on a run, but it'd be a monumental task. Both teams need a change, I think the potential of 2 1st round picks plus an nhl player would be a huge enticement. WPG can draft 2 young players that will be on the team next season, Detroit would have their #1 defenseman, plus a high third (I still think we could get their 2nd.) Plus, it's not like we're going to be automatic Cup winners next season, we may even miss the playoffs again, so we'd still have a great 1st rounder in a better draft class..PLUS Trouba signed long term. Armchair gm is easy, but if I were Kenny, I'd be on one phone at the deadline and that's to WPG. "Listen, Trouba isn't happy, we want him, we'll give you our 1st round( top 6 pick) and a player." I'm telling you, a top 6 and Nyquist or Tatar or Helm would get us Trouba and their 3rd, more than likely their 2nd. We wouldn't have to even speak of AA, Mantha or Larkin. Especially if it were a 3rd. What if I'm trading Vanek to Chicago or Pittsburgh or Montreal for a 1st? We'd have that or I'd offer both 1sts for Trouba and the 2nd.

I can't say what they'll do for sure, but it is a trade that's not out of the realm of making sense. Maybe, since they'd have such a high pick, it would be a 3rd round pick. But again, WPG is in that expansion draft situation with having to expose a defenseman that would certainly get drafted. IMO this trade works out for both teams, and Trouba, who we all know isn't the happiest in WPG. If we have to add a player so what. If we're giving up a #6 overall, that player won't be AA, Mantha or Larkin. Any other player would be fine. So how about this: Detroit sends 1st rounder, Tomas Tatar to WPG for Trouba and 3rd rounder. Having 2 picks in the top 6, possibly top 5, he'll what if it worked out to be #1 & #2? That's huge to most teams, especially if they're trying to get some value for someone they may lose to Vegas. Plus the kid has been disgruntled to boot. Of course, Holland...so ya.

I'm going to stick to my plan, with a small revision. If the draft were today, the latest odds in the lottery has Winnipeg drafting 4th and us 6th. Which pretty much wipes out my original plan for Trouba, BUT, do you think this would work: to WPG: 1st round pick (6 overall) to DET: Jacob Trouba, 2nd round pick(37 overall) This gives WPG the #4 & #6 picks and us #37 & #39, plus Trouba. If we had to add a player to our 1st, so be it. So in that scenario, I'm going to go with the idea that both Foote and Hague will be gone at 37, I'm am eyeing two other kids though, both right handed centers: Kailer Yamamoto (WHL) Nick Suzuki (OHL) Both are great scorers in their respective leagues and are predicted to go late 1st, early 2nd. We could get a couple of nice pickups with those 2 high 2nd rounders.

The common problem here is Holland. We have been in a downward spiral, barely making the playoffs and getting ousted in the 1st round since 2012. That included years with Babcock. Blashill may not be the best coach, but Babcock was considered it. This is all on Holland, whether or not he contacted Julien is besides the point, he has handed out WAY too many overpaid and too long of contracts that he cannot get rid of, that he won't get rid of. Trading these guys or buying them out shows that he was wrong in giving them the deals in the first place, he'd never admit he was wrong. Would it have been nice to have one of the best coaches in the NHL here? Sure, nobody is denying that, BUT it won't change until Holland is gone and we get a GM that has no loyalty to these bottom dwelling players. Babcock left because he wanted more creative control of his team, in other words, Holland probably wouldn't let him have much input on player personnel. With the right players deleted from this team, maybe Blashill can ice a better lineup and lines. For $9.9M goodness sakes you have players that are no better than 4th liners on a legit playoff team in Abby-Glen-Helm that are making a combined $9.9M starting next season and the next 4-6 years. None of them are anywhere near a top 9 player on a Stanley Cup team. You have 3 D-men that are no better than a #4 making a combined $14M on long contracts. The problem is Holland, but until he is fired or his contract is up and someone else steps in, nothing with change. And by someone, I don't mean Martin, he is too much like Holland.

More than likely, he does only have one more season left, so years at, what, 65% buyout? Not bad.

Damn, top teams firing coaches...What's it going to take for a bottom dweller to fire their coach?

Well I suppose they could always hold over his head(The NTC player) that he will be sent to the minors if he doesn't submit a list of teams, or waive the NTC all together. With the NMC, the player says no, and there is nothing they can do unless they want to buy him out, then he gets a ton of cash up front and becomes a UFA to go where he chooses for even MORE money. PLUS the team is now paying him for twice as long... IF you can afford the hit, fine, but if you are at the cap, that could be a problem. It could happen, like I've said before, players with NTC's and NMC's do get traded, but the NMC has more power over the team.

If we get the #1 or even the #3, a team may just do that if they really want that pick. Right now Calgary is in the playoffs, Winnipeg is tied with us, so they have a chance at #1 as well. They haven't done so well with Trouba. What if they got #2 and we got #4. Do you think they'd take the #4 and give us Trouba and their 2nd rounder which would be a late 1st really. They'd have #2 and #4 and we'd have Trouba and #33. Which could have someone attractive. They say Foote and Hague could be late 1st to early 2nd rounders...

Here: No-Movement Clause (NMC) and No-Trade Clause (NTC) Eligibility: Once a National Hockey League player has played seven years or reached twenty-seven years of age (Group 3 Free Agent Status) he is eligible to qualify for the NMC or NTC in his contract. These clauses can start mid-contract once the player reaches his Group 3 status. (example: in the fourth year of a seven-year deal) There are basically two types of movement clauses NHL GMs need to pay attention to and/or work around with some players. The No-Movement Clause: A No-Movement Clause prohibits a team from moving a player by trade, waivers, or assigning that player to the minors without the player’s consent. This keeps the player with the pro team unless the player approves one of these moves. The player has the final say. Some players will often have a limited trade list here as well. A No-Movement Clause does not restrict a team from buying out or terminating a player’s contract. The No-Trade Clause: A No-Trade Clause is much less restrictive. It only places restrictions on movement by trade. A player with a No-Trade Clause cannot be traded by a team unless the player provides consent. A limited (partial or modified) No-Trade Clause is often less restrictive than a full No-Trade Clause and depends on the conditions negotiated in the player’s contracts. Often with these No-Trade Clauses, the player is asked to provide a list of teams to which he would be willing to be traded or NOT traded to. This list can change or fluctuate from season to season.

they can ask all they want. NMC way different than NTC. It could happen, but the NMC player has far more control over it. Fire sale needs to happen starting today. I can't agree with this article more... http://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/02/deadline-primer-detroit.html

The Ducks will have to trade someone. They cannot protect them all. Bieska has an NMC, he must be protected. Add to that Fowler, Vatanen, Lindlholm AND Stoner, who, when off LTIR, puts them back over the cap. The only reason they could afforx to sign lindholm without having to trade Fowler at the start of the season was Stoner on LTIR.

If we're trading our 1st in a package, it's for a #1 D and their 1st. That is our most pressing need! I say we still try to acquire BOTH Trouba and Fowler....not at the deadline, but before the expansion draft. Anaheim and Winnipeg cannot protect 4 D, unless they expose more forwards...

That's why he wanted to go home!

There really is no way of proving it though. Plus, if this is the case, they will have to look into every single UFA that re-signed with their team after the expansion draft. That'd be a lot of investigating.

With the passing of Ilitch, what better reason to make a push now for the playoffs? I was on the sell bandwagon, and I'd still like to trim some of the fat, but what better way to honor Mike than to make a hard push for that playoff spot to extend his streak? They are still only 5 points behind the final wildcard, and its not out of the question that they catch them. Sure there are other teams ahead of them that are also vying for that final spot, 8 teams, in fact, are within 5 points or less of the playoffs. It's a giant task yes, but with a little bit extra player motivation and push from the management (and yes that could mean acquiring someone that may help us get that spot) why not keep it alive? I understand it means a lower draft pick, but we'd still get someone good (possible Hague, Foote, Tippet?) I just don't like the idea of now missing the playoffs and not only staining the Joe in it's final season, but putting a stain on the legacy of Mike Ilitch. He bought the team out of the playoffs, lets not let his final year as owner end with no playoffs, after everything he has built this franchise in to! Don't let his last memory of his team missing the playoffs. He loved the streak, in his honor, IMO, the streak needs to continue. It may not happen, but I think they must get that extra motivation and win one (make the show) for Mike. I say let's see what players are available. Could we acquire a goalie? D? Another Scorer? Time to see who may be available! Time to hit the rumor sites!

Lewis was a LOYAL coach to this team, he was in the organization since the 80's, he got his shot at Head Coach, he failed for a couple of years, a better coach became available and Holland fired Lewis and hired Babcock...same scenario now, but worse, we aren't even making the playoffs, backed in last year when Boston lost it's last game of the season. Better coach(es) are available, come on Holland, this has to be done. I'll take the optimist approach, We already aren't making the playoffs, hiring a new coach now isn't going to change anything, wait until the season is officially over, get all the ducks in a row, cross your I's and dot your T's, fire Blashill, hire one of the better guys available. Start a new streak.

Plus 1,000,000,000

Nice Job Chevy!

...it's over...after the s*** show the last two, it's over...end thread.

That's why XO is better than Ericsson or Kronwall. We have to go with kids from here on out. Btw, why the f*** is AA on a line with Helm and Abby? Nyquist still in the top Baffling. At this point, Pierre would be a better coach for this team...

I'm just going to say that even though I know he'd fetch us a nice return, how stupid is it to think that one of the most successful UFA signings since Hossa that we've had, and he's probably going to be the first to be traded. I say just hang on to him and then re-sign him after the draft. I bet if you give him between $4M- $5M he'll be super happy to stay.

I know I'm wishing in one hand. If the first game after his death didn't inspire them to play better than they did, then they'll never have any other insipiring reason to push. Yesterday's game should've been the best game they've played all year. Outside of a few players, we are really that bad.

BOTH He and Holland's contracts have one more season.

So i heard they got away with another non call...I sure wish players would call the refs out...