LeftWinger

Unload...Unload...unload First, I didn't say Mickey said something negative...I simply said, if Z isn't talking to this team after every crap game, he should be. If he isn't, he's not a very good captain. Also, the Fedorov thing, even though he was not a Wings Captain yet the jest was he was a better one means Zetterberg is not even as good as a non-captain that wasn't a captain for the Wings. Not an alternate captain, a captain. Afterall this thread is, in your opinion, rate the 3. click, click, unload...just because you don't agree with me, doesn't mean its crap. Its your opinion vs. someone else's. IMO Zetterberg is NOT a good captain. Great player, just not captain. Unload. I've said it for years. Sure he may offensively carry the team (more so years ago) but not a good captain. By my though process he is worse than the others...I can't comment on the authors thought process. You act like whoever doesn't agree with your ideas, they aren't real Wings fans. I've been living and breathing this team since 1979, RELIGIOUSLY! Just because our opinions differ doesn't make either of us the wiser or bigger Wings fan! Unload, go ahead, I've been here since 03, I've been unloaded on more times than you have posts. It doesn't bother me. It actually makes me glad that it keeps the conversation away from just Rah Rah, Wings Rule!

remember when fans were even more excited?

The other night Mickey was talking about Z's presence in the lockeroom. He said that Z doesn't say something every night, but when something needs to be said about how things are going, he says it and the players listen. Really? So this dire situation doesn't require something being said every night? If he is not saying "something" to this team after every s***show, then it just goes to show how "good" of captain he is.

Really? I thought he was? that was the point of saying it, he wasn't a captain, yet he was still a better captain than Zetterberg... were your obvious glasses off when you read that? Sheesh... I am almost insulted you took it as a serious statement.

No way do you rank Z ahead of Lidstrom. I know it's just an opinion, but not close. Fedorov was a better C than Z...exactly! Z is an absolute great player, great career, might get HOF, but is not a good captain. But again, it's all opinion.

Yzerman, Yzerman, Lidstrom. All due respect to Z as a player, not a good captain.

Ya, ok. I guess I totally misunderstood those situations. Wow, mine eyes have seen the glory! Funny THAT. Btw, drouin was NEVER about money, it was about playing in the nhl. He requested a trade, refused to play in an AHL game and was being shopped. If not for the injury to Stamkos he'd be gone. Again, you don't play hardball with Yzerman. You want out? He'll ship you out! Same result as St.Louis. https://www.google.com/amp/news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/jonathan-drouins-refusal-to-play-ups-the-ante-with-tampa-bay-lighting-in-bid-to-be-traded/amp Funny this and that! Peace brother!

It's used for people to call out other people for not being true fans or prejudice...that being said Ericsson Kronwall Nyquist Sheahan ...then about 3-4 tied for 5th.

If Stamkos hadn't of gotten hurt, drouin would've been dealt or at least spent a lot more time in the AHL, where he told Yzerman not to send him or he'll request a trade... St. Louis was pissed about not being selected for team Canada and called Yzerman out on it and said he wouldn't play for him. Out! You don't play hardball with Yzerman. That's all I'm saying...

I'm calling it, if/when Blashill gets fired, Chelios will be one of the top candidates. .. Holland and Yzerman both have 1 more year...welcome of stevie!

I was just going on Steve's history with players that demand things from him. St . Louis and Drouin eggs. I don't make things up...if I'm wrong I will own up to my wrong, but no, not just making things up. Yzerman is that kind of gm, he learned from Scotty. You crossed Scotty, you were gone. Wish we had a gm like that, Tatar, you want out? Bye! Plus I said, "if I recall." Maybe I'm wrong about the name who held out and refused the contract offer, but that is how Yzerman rolls.

If I recall, Nester waited a long time to sign a 1 yr deal. He wanted more, wouldn't sign, finally signed a one year deal. Not sure whether it was through arbitration or not. He wanted more money, of course once you cross Yzerman, you're pretty much doomed. He probably would've caused the same problem next year. He was already on shaky grounds with the GM. Yzerman wasn't having it.

They don't develop mean SOB's anymore. They just aren't out there to be drafted.

The Rat farts $10,000... Thats only .002% of his salary this season...001% of next season salary. What's the point? Just put him on the naughty list and call it a day...

Can't like your post enough! Guarantee a better coach, gets more out of these players. But I think Holland wants a coach he can control. I am still not convinced that players aren't getting more ice time due to their "loyalty" and in some cases salary. No way Ericsson should be getting more icetime than XO or Jensen. No way should Nyquist or Tatar be in the top 6 over Mantha or AA. Then that gets thrown out when Blashill plays Coreau over Mrazek, and then Sheahan leads all forwards in TOI. But then again, Sheahan, Helm, Abby, Glenny...they're all good soldiers who do the bidding of thy master. AA must have gotten caught being Mrs. Blashill's little boytoy or something, because he just cannot get out of the doghouse...

Only when he stays out there for 2 minutes. He was making good line changes against Boston.

If it proves too expensive to try and acquire Trouba/Hamilton then if I can shed some dead weight off the back end, I go hard for Shattenkirk. He's already said he'd like to be traded here (one on his list) so there's a chance he'd ink a deal come July if we offer enough cash. Then next off season, once Green's contract is gone, I all in on Fowler. Honestly though, both Winnipeg and Anaheim are up against a wall come expansion draft, its almost a guarantee they'd lose one of their talented defensemen, they can only protect 3 each and respectively they to choose from: Anaheim: Bieska (NMC) has to be protected unless he agrees to waive it... Fowler Lindholm Vatanen Winnipeg: Byfuglien (NMC) Enstrom (NMC) Trouba Myers Either team may choose to move a non-NMC before the expansion so they get some sort of return, so prices may drop a bit. I would thin Vegas would take any of those 5...I would.

Seriously, everybody outside of the 5 I listed are in play. I like Jensen, Sproul and XO, but for the right deal, I'd include them as well. Some folks say we are just bashing the coach, but seriously, in an OT game against a division rival whom you also happen to be fighting for a playoff spot, you start Helm, Abby and DD...followed up by Z, Nyquist, Green. With all due respect to Z and Green. Here is what your OT lines should look like, barring injury: Vanek - Nielsen - Green Mantha - Z - Jensen AA - Larkin - Green Then if needed: Tatar - Helm - XO Never, EVER, EVER should anyone else see 3 on 3 OT. Well, I keep him because he IS our best player, and if we are blowing up the rest, I may as well keep my best players. I understand the draft pick thing, but I don't need that draft pick (#29 or #30 probably) and if I am entertaining the idea of trading Vanek, I am getting a higher end prospect in return.

When "coach" takes the two best players and demotes them to the bottom 6 and continues to give 21 and 14 top 6 minutes, then we have a problem...I do agree with the talentless roster though as well... also, when "coach" splits up the best line you've had all year long (72-51-62) then we have a problem... This should be your top 6 for the rest of the season (barring injury) Larkin - Z - Mantha AA - Nielsen - Vanek You're correct, every other play are bottom 6 players and outside of 21, 14 and to an extent 26, are ALL pretty much carbon copies of each other. On D, honestly, outside of Green's sometime offensive talent, the best guys are Sproul, XO and Jensen...

What I do now as GM? Blow it up! I keep, Z, Larkin, AA, Mantha, Nielsen and re-sign Vanek. Everyone and I mean EVERYONE else is available. I looked at the expansion draft tool and I seriously cannot choose 7 forwards that I want to protect! Even if you look at my list, with Larkin exempt, I only have 4. I'm to the point, and it hurts me to say this, but I'd even trade Mrazek right now. It's also pretty sad when your best defensemen are Sproul, XO and Jensen. I'm mean its not sad that they are good, it's just that they are pretty much rookies. I don't know what the hell happened to DD. I'd say he contracted to "big contract" disease, but he was regression last year too. He's just been awful. Is Mrazek bad this year because of the D? I don't know, but like I said, I am at the point to where I am listening to offers for him. I'm think it is more Ken "tie goes to the vet" Holland. That's why Babcock left maybe. Still though, Blashill is garbage. I don't get how you can take your two best scorers and demote them to the bottom 6. PLUS your best line combo of 72-51-62 didn't see any ice together last night...and wasn't it just last couple of weeks that everyone was saying how much Z and Mantha play great together? Ok, lets put Mantha on the 4th line then... BTW, I'd sell the tickets and enjoy other better things around Michigan.

In other news, Jeff Blashill is unhappy with Anthony Mantha...f*** you Blashill, we're unhappy with you! Hand in your resignation! http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nhl/red-wings/2017/01/25/detroit-red-wings-anthony-mantha/97057992/

Listened to most of the game on the drive down....holy hell. Vanek played, yet Blashill played him, Nielsen and AA all on separate lines..Mantha still on 4th. Nyquist and Tatar still top 6. The Only solution is to fire the coach and GM. New gm Trade ALL overpaid useless players.

I can see a package of Tatar and Jurco for a prospect that has waiver exemptions. Maybe a late round pick as well.

I swear, up until recently his name wasn't listed In the same list as Mrazek. I swear it was only Howard, Mrazek and Pasquale.

Coreau was exempt, wtf?