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Yes, its his decision to play them or not, but its Holland who waives them or sends them down to GR. The point I was making was, if AA wasn't going to play right away, he could've been sent to GR with Mantha at no risk and we could've kept Frk in the pressbox and he would've still been in the organization. If, after getting into 10 or so games, he wasn't panning out or if AA came up for an injured player and took over the spot, then waive Frk. But Blashill can only play who Holland gives him. He had said that BOTH AA and Mantha have not been good enough in camp, yet Holland dumped Frk and Pulk and kept AA. I love AA, but I love him playing, not the 13th FWD, and NOT on the 4th line. AA should be our 3rd line center, hands down, but that was given to a useless guy.

Did not say I wouldn't be posting. I said with the piss poor job Holland did, and with the improvements of Boston, healthy Price and all of Tampa's players coming back, PLUS Florida is better than us, the streak will be over. Where does that say I won't watch or be posting? I have said I am teetering on the edge of boycotting if Holland loses Sproul due to Kronwall coming back, but I was informed that they won't have to waive him because they all fit under the cap. No doubt though, if this team does NOT make the playoffs, useless contracts must go, Howard, Ericsson, Nyquist AND Helm for example. My point to you was I watched and bled with them during the Dead Wings era and as they grew the core that you all are spoiled by. I can handle watching it again, but it seems that Holland doesn't want to grow by the draft like he says every year, yet he doesn't want to trade the 1st rounder for a better player. He just talks sideways out his ass. Build via the draft, but re-sign garbage players, lose talented young kids for nothing. Every year its the same with him. Every year he says build through the draft, kids will be our future, yet every year he re-signs useless players like Helm, Miller, and before like Samuelsson, Cleary, KFQ. Just wait for when Mantha is out of waiver options and there's no room for him on the roster...do you think he'll waive one of the players he is loyal to? No, he'll waive Mantha and hope he sneaks by everyone, like he hoped with Frk and Pulk. BTW, of all the teams and all the players waived the last couple of weeks, how many players were claimed? TWO! Both ours! Other GM's know Holland is going to dump his kids for his useless players, like Helm and Ericsson. They just wait salivating and hope they can get their hands on them for free. And look what happened. Nobody wanted to give Holland a 7th round pick or even future considerations for either Frk or Pulk, but as soon as they were waived, multiple claims on Frk and even Pulk got snatched up. Holland gets fleeced all the time. He overpays for junk (Quincey) but won't give a 1st up in a package for Trouba or Fowler? Why, so that 1st round pick can get waived in three years after signing a contract so we can be loyal to WAY below average players? That's why I and many are upset and have almost had it with this guy!

Uh....you're talking to a life long Wings fan. I was there and watched through the Dead Wing era. I can take it. Won't be happy, and will love coming here and conversing with everyone. But nice way to be constructive to the convo manxy.

Seems to me, maybe we could've just sent AA down with Mantha and kept Frk to be the healthy scratch....no? But regarding AA as a scratch...in other news...nevermind, Holland must go. Here's what we know...Trade Datsyuk in order your clear cap to attempt to sign Stamkos. As a result miss out on Chycrun. Doesn't even get to talk to Stamkos. Re-sign Helm to a preposterously overpaid and too long contract. Sign Nielsen and Vanek to try to make up for getting slighted by Stamkos. Sign Ott for no apparent reason (I think he'll surprise folks, but we really didn't NEED him.) Previously re-signed Miller, which his was not needed either. Gave Glendening way too much money on an extension. Failed to (or refuses to) trade Howard and Ericsson. I give him credit for not wanting to overpay for Shattenkirk, Trouba or Fowler. Then, waives promising young player in Frk, even though he surprisingly had a better camp than most. Waived and lost Pulkkinen as well. Not as big as Frk, but still lost for free. Not what I would call a very successful off season. I usually am on the side of we'll make the playoffs no problem. Not this year. Boston got better. Montreal has a healthy Price. Tampa has all their returning players, including a happy Drouin, who is great. Plus Florida is still better. This is the year the streak ends and Holland needs to ******* go! It's pretty sad that Yzerman is ranked a better GM than Holland. But we'd rather keep Holland and let Mr. Red Wing leave.

Holland 's leg or Kronwall's? Krsmith, yes I agree neither should be protected. If we aren't acquiring anyone, they should protect DD, Sproul, XO. Of course that leaves Marchenko exposed.

He only owns Red Wings and Tigers.

I think one certain team in particular will really regret it!

Holland cannot trade these guys because GM'S know he's going to lose them to waivers every year. He will not be able to trade Sproul either, teams are salivating at the chance to get him for nothing when Kronwall comes back. Just so we can play Ericsson every game. Just wait until Holland protects both Kronwall and Ericsson come expansion draft. In other news, Darren Helm is fast.

In other news Darren Helm is fast.

It sure is bizarre. We are now $6M over the cap with everyone that's on our final roster. I know Franzen, Vitale and it looks like Kronwall salary won't count to start the season, but weird call up.

I cannot figure out how to paste a link on here, but www.todaysslapshot.Com says the Red Wings recalled G Pasquale today.for the story go to website and click on the "latest " tab. Possible trade coming? If so, I figured Coreau would be the call up though. Not quite sure what this explanation means.

I think of all the lost players to waivers over the years, Frk would have been the best to keep. They could've easily kept him until they decided to send Mantha down today and kept him to see if he could actually play here. Then waive him later on if not. Now we'll never know, unless he starts doing good in Carolina. Since this thread is about Pulk, it always sucks to lose someone for free, but it was painfully obvious he was never going to be utilized correctly here. I wish him a great career in Minny. I sure wish we could've gotten at least some future considerations for him.

No, I understand that. I'm just saying that a lot of folks here said that it was never out there that Suter preferred Detroit as a team. I know the story goes we lost out to family, but there was always an argument that Suter never said he wanted to be here, it was always Minnesota. The fire Holland part is to stay with the theme of what happened this weekend. And people thought Trump had a bad weekend!

I understand the problem. All of our depth forwards, two of which we lost, are 3rd liners or better. Keeping them here in a 4th line or 13th fwd capacity is a waste. That being said, maybe, if we absolutely had to re-sign Helm, maybe they should've left Miller and Ott alone. Because a 4th line of Sheahan-Helm-Glendening would be fine. That would've made a 3rd line of Mantha -AA- Frk very exciting to watch. We'd still have to deal with Jurco and Pulkkinen, or just start AA and Mantha in GR until we traded to make room.Holland is the only GM to get fleeced for his prized young prospects. Hell , at the very least, it's two less bargaining chips we could've used in a package to upgrade our D. Now all we have is Jurco and even better prospects. So if a trade is made, get ready! Cannot wait to lose Sproul when Kronwall gets back, just so we can keep Erection.

Bob Duff on WDFN. Btw, I told you Suter wanted to play here. http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/bob-duff-speaks-with-wdfns-sheppard?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Holland needs to be fired. In other news, Helm sure is fast.

The only reason Holland has any creedance as a gm is thanks to Jimmy D and Scotty. Holland has yet to build a team that does much more than get swept out of the 1st round. 08 was still a lot of Scott's players.

...also, I agree, now that we've lost Frk and more than likely Pulk, in XO or Sproul is waived, I am officially out. Peace. Deuces.

In other news, Winnipeg waived Pavelec. Hmmmm, maybe a nice Jimmy Howard deal to them in a package? One could wish.

I cannot even express how livid I am to lose Frk. Why does Holland even still have a job? The kid was fast, hard shot, right handed, seemed to be able to translate his game to the nhl fairly well. Pulkkinen will be claimed as well. Holland is a jackass. Blashill says AA and Mantha didn't work hard enough. Wtf is going on here? I am almost to the point of not watching until Holland is fired or resigns. Very close. I normally have opposite things to say to Krsmith, but damn, if we had to keep Helm, we could've dumped two others, or at least one to keep Frk. I like Miller, but Frk was part of our future...

...but tatar doesnt get 2 to 2.5, he gets 5ish of it. This years salary is not included in next years cap, he is an RFA, he salaray as of now, for next year, is 0.

http://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2016/10/roster-analyzing-forwards.html Analyzing our Forwards...

http://mynhltraderumors.com/2016-17-top-10-detroit-red-wings-prospects/2016/10/03/ Odd that they have XO in this list, but not Sproul...

That would be great news! Thx!

not counting Franzen, we have $10.6M roughly and that includes $0 for Tatar since his contract will be off the books, so he will get every bit of Nyquist's $4.75, if not $5M of that $10M. That only leaves $5M (give or take $250k) to fill 7 other open roster spots. Go to capfriendly.com and you will see all the numbers and players. IF they re-sign Smith, expect him to get a raise as well. No doubt about it, they have to get rid of some salary just to ice a complete team next season. So don't expect any splash's come July 1, 2017 unless they sell of some contracts at the deadline...but they won't because Holland.

..as long as you're keeping score of my hit list, here is the pecking order: Ericsson Howard Helm Nyquist Smith Pulk Jurco (these two for roster spots. Especially if they aren't going to be utilized correctly.) ...not that they all need to go (the 1st two for sure do) but that is just the pecking order. If not E, then Howard, if not E and Howard, then Helm...etc... If they only got rid of E and Howard, that would be great, but reality says, they need to clear some spots up front. AA, Mantha and Frk all deserve to be on the 23 man roster. There are two player I am really worried about if/when they go on waivers, Frk and Coreau. Its not that I wouldn't be worried about Sproul, but he at least is (should) be staying around until Kronwall is healthy. We'll cross that bridge soon though. Frk is ready and so is Coreau, I'd hate to lose him because we've spent two entire season's grooming him to our system and he is very familiar with the current goalie coach. It would suck to lose him and have to start over with another.