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Amen! It's ideal, but you have 25 players on the roster if you count 2 goalies. I like it, but we all know Holland! Miller and Ott were signed to play, and E will never be a healthy scratch. He'll probably be first pairing. Dammit Holland!

Ya, but Vanek will be a ufa, so if he earns a Shiney new contract with us, he'd just have to inform Vegas that he intends to sign in Detroit, so don't pick him. I have a hard time seeing Vegas pick any pending ufa because they could lose them in July. Why waste a pick?

Oh, I thought Bieska was $5M...oops. I see now it's $4M.

Me too, I guess, but what if he comes and out plays them? We all know Holland isn't going to be in on any of these guys anyhow. He'll never trade his prize Swedes. Fowler and Trouba will be dealt somewhere else for less return I'm sure. Oh, and all 3 of Z, Kronwall and E will get protected at expansion. Watch...

Here's our problem at expansion, according to generalfanager.Com both AA and Mantha need to be protected or be exposed...now who do you protect? Abby AA Mantha Nielsen automatic Sheahan Tatar Nyquist Z Helm That's two too many...we get 7 fwds, 3 D and 1 G. Another reason to look to shipping nyquist off in a D deal. No one will snag Z would they, if you left him unprotected? Sure, but if no one claims him, they're on the books for $4.1M against the cap. The only get $900,000 relief if they waive him and he clears...

Wait, Anaheim gave Vermette a NMC? Are they crazy? Now they have 4 forwards that must be protected come June. Sheesh! Plus Bieska if they can't move him...

It makes me wonder what the lines will look like... Zetterberg - Nielsen - Vanek Tatar - Larkin - Abdelkader Nyquist - Sheahan - Helm Miller - Glendening - Ott Which leaves Jurco, Frk and Pulkkinen (healthy) with no waiver options. Trading nyquist would open up a spot, but I'd like to see AA have it and center Sheahan and Helm. Still leaves 3 players with no waiver option.

Either you're not sure Nyquist and Holmstrom can get Fowler, or you're not sure Fowler is good enough to be worth just Nyquist. You're right about E and Bieska. That helps Anaheim because they will be forced to protect Bieska if he isn't traded, it helps us because we don't have to honor the NMC and can leave him unprotected for expansion. Plus they also don't have to protect Fowler anymore or Ericsson and can protect 3 of their younger better D. We'd protect Fowler of course. I'd Love To Have both, I Too Agree The Anaheim trade seems more likely to work. I disagree though, Nyquist, holmstrom and Ericsson, puck is more than enough to get Fowler and Bieska. But now we'd have a jam up at D. Plus we'd be forced to waive all 3 kids. DD - Fowler Kronwall - Green Smith - Marchenko Bieska Or maybe Bieska out plays Smith and earns the starting spot.

Ya....ok. I like how when something doesn't line up with someone's agenda, it's hot garbage. Both proposals are well worth each other and would make sense for all teams. But hey, let's hang on to Nyquist and Pulkkinen, etc...maybe they'll get a dose of 2008 Franzen this year... Anyhow, leafs sign enroth to be backup....and we have jimmy.

...ah there the old "NHL Game" reference! Gotta love it! That is not an NHL 17 trade scenario, the value is well worth the deal, but you are right, there is probably another team out there to overpay that which would intrigue Winnipeg more. In reference to the NJ deal, I am not evauluating Trouba's potential or value, the article valued him at: Justin Abdelkader, Brendan Smith, Vili Saarijarvi and a 2017 second-round draft pick for Jacob Trouba and a 2018 third-round pick. I have no probelm using the picks as well, I just replaced Abby and Villi with Sheahan and Pulk. Given the same minutes as Abby, Sheahan can score 20 goals and even though he didn't perform in a 4th line role, given 2nd line minutes in Winnipeg, Pulk could be very valuable to them. Sure they Have Laine who will probably get automatic top 6 minutes, but adding Sheahan would give them more size and the Pulk-Canon could be unleashed there. They sure as hell aren't going to unleash it here... (once healthy that is.) I know most trade suggestions, even by people in the know, don't happen, but Sheahan, Pulk, Smith, picks are more than enough to get you Trouba. But like you said, there are probably even BETTER offers out there.

...and Adam Larsson doesn't land you a player like Taylor Hall...oh wait. Trades are made on needs, it is known that Winnipeg is looking for help up front in different forms PLUS they are in a sticky wicket come expansion draft where they are forced to protect Byfiglien and Enstrom due to their NMC's which only leaves them able to protect ONE more D. Do they lock up Trouba and protect him and expose Myers? Do they protect Myers and expose Trouba, who they just signed to a long term deal? They would get Pulkkinen and Sheahan up front to help out in different ways. They get Smith (who they also wouldn't have to protect being a pending UFA, then they could just re-sign him come July 1) and they would a very good prospect in XO who could help round out their bottom 3 D. Plus they save money against the cap. Ok, 8/$4M may not be enough, but for Trouba, I could see really no more than $5M and no less than 4-5 years. Still a win-win for both teams... The Anaheim deal should already be done. It's a no brainer... Just imagine your team with DD, Trouba, Fowler and Marchenko here for the rest of their careers...heck if you have to trade Marchenko in a deal, at this point he is replaceable realistically. Maybe Winnipeg would want him instead of Smith? or XO? I think if you have the assets to acquire BOTH Fowler and Trouba, you do it. Local kids, proud to play here, will most likely retire here, and that could mean 15+ years of them playing together and learning together. We would not miss Nyquist, Ericsson, Holmstrom or the pick(s.) The only one I'd hate to give up is Sheahan, but if Trouba is coming back the other way, it has to be done.

Let me just refresh that setup: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/81292-official-2016-detroit-red-wings-offseason-thread/?view=findpost&p=2684409 Works for ALL 3 teams...

I'm telling you, the Anaheim scenario that brought Fowler and Bieska here makes a lot of sense. I really hope there is some substance behind that trade suggestion. Helps both teams out financially and on the ice...

The question is, how does Werenski compare to Adam Larsson, because we don't have a Taylor Hall to give up.

AA should be playing. Period.

Werenski Who does it take to get? But is werenski a top 2 guy or just a prospect?

Yeah,unless they are trying to offer us Jack Johnson. But not sure he is worth Nyquist.

Sure are a lot of Franzen 2.0's out there... ...Wings don't like Howard's playoff performances either.

Again, no TO AA or Mantha unless you're getting a legit #1.

Jack Eichel played college hockey and never played more than 40 games.

http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2016/8/15/12470206/brotherly-love-should-the-wings-trade-for-ryan-miller 😀 Pure talk, but I will say that about 2 years ago I said the Wings will get Miller to play with his brother and end his career at home backing up Mrazek. It'd be too funny if it happens! I like to go back to the Bobby Ryan trade. If Holland had the balls to deal Jarnkrok back then and a Nyquist with high end potential we'd of had and still have a top line scorer on this team. He may be declining a bit, but he is still better than most of our wingers now. I think Larkin slower down because he was forced to play in our enept system. At the beginning of the year he was a wild hare and just played hard to make the team. But as he slowly learned the system, his stats suffered.

No to trading AA. period. End discussion.

If I recall, when he was in the lineup, Smith did very well for himself last season. If we aren't getting a dman, I say put Smith on the top pair with DD. Jurco needs to be used correctly. He is an offensive threat. But not on the 4th line with Miller and Glendening. When he was with Sheahan and Tatar he did very well. I'd love to see a line of JURCO-AA-MANTHA. Shhhhhhhhhh!

You're right, most people won't like it. I don't. I happen to think that AA is your future 3rd, then 2nd line center. Nielsen will be #1/#2 for a couple seasons then move down the charts after that. The only way AA or Mantha should be dealt is if it's for a legit #1 throughout the nhl, not just #1 on our team. Next season we'll be without Miller and Ott. Helm and Sheahan can makeup the 4th line with Glendening, making AA your #3 to start his nhl career.

I don't see why he was suspended. So he made a bunch of Russian ******* turtle and run....😭