LeftWinger

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index.ssf/2016/07/red_wings_petr_mrazek_far_apar.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter ....FAR APART.... sure glad we wasted money on a useless Helm that could've gone to signing our goaltender if the future...but that's ok Holland, he got Helm for $4M for 5 yrs and you can just go with Howard. God Damn this Helm signing is going to destroy the future of this team! Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, AA, Mrazek all should be signed and on this team, but nope we got Helm. Maybe he should insure those stone hands that are worth so much, including the future of this team! If Mrazek gets f***ed on this contract, he will be jaded and leave this team as soon as he can. Holland is ******* this fanbase and future once again with his loyalty to f***tards! "Hey Petr, your our future, you are probably the most important part of our future, here's $2.75M. We'd offer you more, but you understand, kids don't get $5M, plus We gave Helm $4M because he is a fast 4th line checker with no scoring ability. You understand, right? Oh, btw, we still have Howard of this is an issue."

I thought that sounded a bit rich...but I over value our players all the time.

Keep Tatar because he's cheaper. Then pay him Nyquist money, it's a wash. Simple. Trade Nyquist before Tatar. You get this year of savings on the cap...plus Tatar is better.

Wonder what it would cost to trade for Kucherov?

Lol at Khabibulin eligible but not osgood. The hate never stops.

Not going to revisit my view of "The Choice" and how much I hated it once Hossa left for Chicago. I was most certainly in the vast minority when it came to Hudler hate, so I may not have been the only one persay, but I never liked him, and them when he came back from KHL, and he proved how bad he was, 99% of the people here started jumping all over him. It's whatever, I've always felt Helm was a 4th liner, and as long as he was getting paid like one, and not being put in the top 6 like last year, I really had no huge issue with him, but now? 5 years, $3.8M, the fact that he is directly responsible for mantha and AA having to start in GR, its a waste of a roster spot, and a waste of valuable cap space. Now if Miller and Ott weren't signed and Helm was given $2M to be 4th line, that would be fine. But its not the case, so now when he is making so much money and missing the net 99 out of a 100 times and only scoring 10 goals, thats a problem. I have said, I would rather none of the 3 be signed, but at least the other two will be playing where they belong, not demanding to be top 9 and getting paid like it, but only performing like a bottom 3 guy...its simple. But that is fine, we'll see how he's used and how he plays. He could break out and become a 20-25 goal scorer, but I'm almost 100% positive he won't....just like (before the head problems) 2008 Franzen never "showed back up" after his "major contract." Never... if I had a dollar for everyone who said "when 2008 Franzen shows up" or "playoff Franzen" since 2010, I'd have as much money as he does!

Yep, because I always supported Hudler and Cleary and Franzen and Howard. You can go back for about two years now and see my dislike for Helm. Especially when they try to play him top 6. But it's fine, I know what my opinions have been for all these bums for a long time. You may not have been around, but my Hudler hate was well known and well...ahem...warned about... as well has Franzen.

Ya, he's so far and beyond the best 3rd line center that when he retires, the league is going to retire the #43 from every team. I give it until December and 98% of his "supporters " will have turned on him. Just like Ericsson, just like Franzen, just like howard, just like Cleary and just like Hudler. You better believe when it happens, I'm just going to sit back and smile! Ya, right!you'll never hear the end of it! Ericsson, right! Franzen, right! Howard, right! Cleary and hudler? Yep, right again!

As was Fedorov. Lest we mention again, a Hart AND Selke in the same year. Which, btw, was a year that featured all of Gretzky, Lemieux and Messier. If he played D for an entire year, no doubt in hell he'd win a Norris. The ONLY reason his number may not get retired is a personal vendetta. BTW, Gretzky Lemieux and Messier were not ever considered a Hart AND Selke winner, let alone the same year they were winning Hart trophies.

I bring it up in this topic. It was a waste of a roster spot and $4M. For 5 years! Jurco, Pulkkinen, Mantha, AA...they all deserve that roster spot over helm...Miller and ott are pegged for 4th line work, helm snatched valuable 3rd line minutes from more deserving players. Ok, if miller or ott werror not signed, then stick helm on the 4th, but definitely not at $4M. Waste of a 3rd line spot and waaaaaaY overpaid as a 4th liner. He's nothing but a 4th liner, period. PK guy sure, but 4th line pkers don't get $4M, they get $2M. If he's on the 3rd line, he's taking up a spot one of the 4 kids I mentioned.

Jurco is absolutely valuable to this team....but Helm, Miller, Ott...that sums up Holland right there.

They want to retire the #32, but not sure who to honor, The Grim Reaper or Chevy...

I do that. Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Oullett. For who? What will that get us? Most definitely Fowler, but Trouba, Shattenkirk?

The A should go to Cam Fowler.

Fedorov won a Hart AND Selke the same year as both the best offensive and defensive player in the nhl...who the f*** does that? Sergei Fedorov that's who! Raise it up! Let's see Crosby do that, let's see Ovi do that, let's see Kane or McNHL do that! Not even the great Lidstrom could muster tgat feat!

Fedorov did play pretty much his entire career in Detroit. Plus he was arguably our best player during his time here. There should be no debate, ilitch needs to do this for the fans. He was, perhaps, the greatest Russian player of all time. I give him top 10 nhl player as well.

Ugh! Everytime I see this thread....

It'll be funny if Coreau is claimed off waivers. at Holland for his "loyalty" to players that were never that good to begin with! I don't understand how he can just cast aside young players with a better upside for the likes of players like helm, miller, Ericsson, howard. The same crap we've lost with the last 4-8 years...oh well!

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/DET/leaders_career.html When you're top 5 in nearly ALL offensive catagories on the team, and the few you arent, you're #6, your numbers has to be retired. #91 must be raised, if not, then ilitch is 100000x more of a stubborn Greek than I thought! Shame on him for keeping this from the fans even this long!

If it's anyone, it's going to be Fowler. It is well known that Holland wants him. More than one hockey insider has said that's his target. Things could change of course... I still think it'll cost us a fwd, D and prospect. It'd be nice if we could get away with a fwd and prospect D. Of course that would make Smith #7 again.

You can never have enough D that you are going to expose to waivers in the future...

We lost in 07 because we couldn't score on the pp. We lost game 5 due to not scoring on a couple of 5 ok not 3's. We lost 09 by one goal in game 7. Feds could've made a difference in both playoff years. Especially on the pp.

It doesn't matter who plays the best in pre-season. Last pre-season Nick Jensen was the best dman during every game he played. Where'd that get him? Yep, and it'll get him waived this year...

What about Tatar - Nielsen - Vanek Zetterberg - Larkin - Abby Nyquist - Helm - Sheahan Miller - Glendening - Ott There's just no room for Mantha and/or AA, sadly. In trying to not dump on Helm too much, if Miller and Ott were not signed you could have a bottom 6 of: Nyquist - AA - Mantha Sheahan - Glendening - Helm.

can't give $5M to both, don't have the capspace. We'd be a huge pickle if they both got $5M+... we'd be the worst team with nearly the highest payroll in the NHL.