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He's not crippled. Wasn't crippled. He played magician like again in the world championship. He was dogging it here. I get it, his heart was not here, he didn't want to play 3 yrs, he signed it though...honor it...and oh, btw, don't say you want to live by your daughter and play 30 hours away...my vote is now NO to #13...especially if we're talking about no to #91. If it went up, fine, but my vote is no.

Holland's needs to make the Fowler (or Trouba) deal. That's what will save him this summer after being snubbed (again) by the best available UFA. He's got to shed one of our nhl defensemen, a couple d kids 3 nhl forwards. If not, the offseason will be a fail in retrospect.

Just to play Devils advocate here, you all know I think Fedorov deserves his # retired and I do blame Holland for Feds leaving us. BUT, he actually left us once before when he signed the offer sheet from Carolina in 98. So he left us twice, so I totally understand why management may have felt, or maybe still feels about him. I have a feeling though that wounds are healed more than we think because Holland was bringing him back in 08, he wanted him, but someone in the circle of trust nixed it. I believe he asked Babs opinion and he was against it, but not really sure how it went down. I do know Holland had a deal in place to bring him home, but it everyone wasn't on board with it...

Ahhhhhhhkay...so it's not fact that he's 30 hours away. Because that is what I thought I said. He's 30 hours away,yes or no? Sheesh... Either way, he's not "close" to family. It was all about going back to Russia to play, not anything else. He is a ***** for reneging on his contract. But blame Holland for not getting him players to p l system with. He played with 3rd and 4th line players the last 5 years or so.

Ahh, but you did tell me to "get it right." I had it right.

If he doesn't get claimed, he's going to have to be bought out. Too bad we're stuck with what seems is going to be $10M in goalies and a couple other $4M contracts that are a waste of roster spots.

What about 96?

...again, I never suggested, eluded to, said or even referred to a flight. I said he plays 30 hours away. I don't care how folks read it, nowhere in my original post, which I quoted above, was the word or idea of a flight ever brought up. Shame on the folks who actually thought of a flight when I said 30 hours...

I subscribed back then and still have the issue in a box.

...again, I never said 30 hour flight. I said 30 hours. I don't see where this even suggests a flight....

I never said 30 hour flight. I said 30 hours. I've been in the airline industry for 26 years...I know how long flights are to the other side of the world. He's playing 30 hours away from his daughter...and that's what I said.

See above post....number 3 with a bullet.

In 1989, Sports Illustrated thought differently, as did the rest of the NHL. http://www.si.com/vault/1989/03/20/119567/no-3-with-a-bullet-motowns-steve-yzerman-the-nhls-third-brightest-star-could-climb-even-higher-on-the-charts

Yzerman is generational, but he definitely would not have won a Cup without Fedorov & co.

Same to similar numbers as Roy, Hasek, Brodeur and he was never near elite? The three listed above also played on arguably the best all around teams in the 90's. Jersey was a better defensive team than Detroit, Colorado was Colorado, but no, they did all the work and was the only reason their teams were so good... 08 Cup rests on 2 people's shoulders, Z and Ozzie. The team was struggling and Ozzie only came in and won 9 straight wins in playoffs. He won 3 Cups, two as the main goalie. The stats don't lie (right krsmith?) Osgood, while maybe not the best goalie of his generation, was as close to elite as possible without being called elite.

Wings win in 02 with or without Lidstrom. He was great, but nobody was beating that HOOF team. I think in 08, he wasn't as big a factor either. He was great, but that team was a puck possession magic show. He was a big part of it, for sure, but if he wasn't there, they may have still won.

God I hope so! Please please please! A 7th round pick should do...retain 20%.

Ya, I'm not sure why Holland thinks that Jimmy is so valuable that he won't trade him and he feels he'll get snagged off the expansion wire. I wouldn't be surprised if he traded Mrazek just so he could protect Jimmy.

From some of the reports I've read (at work cannot post a link, but I think it was a Malik report) Holland is "Sold" on Sadowy. From what it sounds like is he has a fast track to Detroit. Could this make Mantha expendable? I hope not, but we all know about the log jam, and if Sadowy is rising in the ranks, it could box out another player....yet again, another example of siging useless contracts that take up valuable roster spots. I hope there is a 3 or 4 forward(s) trade in the works coming up for either assets or picks. Although he is waiver exempt and start in GR, he may get the call up before Mantha...

Ozzie definitely belons in the HOF and his # retired. Bottom line, he won the 08 Cup for us. He should've be awarded the Con Smythe that year as well. He also had a Con Smythe 09 Cup run, if it werent for a little help from Uncle Gary, he would've won another Cup that season. Where are all the corsi/stat guys here? They want to use stats to justify wasting a roster spot on a bottom line player, but where are they to defend why Ozzie deserves HHOF and both he an Sergei deserve their numbers retired. If they reitre #13 before #91, then there is a travesty going on...at least #91 honored his contract(s) even when he was only making $2M when he was the best player in the NHL. He honored that contract, then got screwed by Holland. Holland offer him 5 yrs $55M-ish and Sergei asked to wait until after he settled his divorce and found his new agent...when all that was over, he wanted to sign the deal, but that deal was pulled and Holland only offered him 4 yrs $44M-ish. I don't blame him one bit for leaving, and knowing now what UFA's think about Holland, its no wonder players don't want to come here...

...but Osgood played behind the Red Wings, my gramma could win 400 playing for the Wings.

How about the "Kowalski, Kowality Moment." There's an old one for ya!

Osgood didn't leave by choice. Fedorov had his contract snatched out from under him by Holland. Babdick nixed his return in 08.

Nowhere near top 6 talent. Overpayment, too long. 4th line player. Should've cut ties, but holland's an idiot. NMC coming soon...along KFQ soon.

Lol at Z & Pav and not Feds/Osgood. Osgood owns most the Red Wings playoff records, plus 400 wins. feds the best player on the team throughout the 90's and 3 Cup era. 91 and 30 absolutely. Especially if you're even considering 13 & 40.