LeftWinger

how can we afford $4.5M? We only have $5.4M left to sign 3 players, Nyquist, Jurco and Pulkkinen. They would have to know already that they are keeping Franzen on Pronger retirement AND trading Quincey. No way if Nyquist gets $4.5 no way do Jurco and Pulk come in together for $900,000 combined. Its all about finances.

I don't think Feds was banging his teammates wives either as Lindros was...hell he had Anna. Lindros burn way more bridges in Philly than Feds ever could here.

here is the problem, Saad is not worth $6M, even hockey insiders were taken aback at that contract. If Nyquist gets awarded anything over $3M, especially north of $5M, walk away. If Nyquist gets $6M, then so will Tatar next contract, then what happens when Pulkkamania runs wild and he scores 30? Its outrageous to think that he has earned $4M, let alone $6M...

did someone post somewhere that both Yzerman and Lidstrom think Feds AND Ozzie's numbers should be retired? A couple of pretty influential opinions if so...

if he gets awarded $6M, Holland must walk away, no question about it. Has not earned anywhere near that.

We have $5.4M left. I think a nice 3 year $3M per bridge contract should be fair. Jurco and Pulk should cost less than $2M together. If Franzen goes LTIR and Quincey gets traded that'll open up $8M more in cap space to save for next years RFA's...

another spot taken, almost complete!

there is no big body for the second line. Why wouldn't Abby play with pav and Tatar? Do you think line remain from year to year? That first line would be perfect. Setup man, scorer, dirty job player. Z & Nyquist have great chemistry, they scored even with power puff Franzen on their wing. He plays softer than Hudler in a hen house. Richards is a natural center who is a huge upgrade over Franzen.

With Richards, I still think the best top 6 would be: Tatar-Pav-Abby Nyquist-Richards-Z

nah, only 90%, replace Nyquist with Tatar, now we're talking 100%!

I agree with the Franzen idea, I just don't think, unless he is as healthy as a newborn baby, that he should even step on the ice in full contact participation. I'd also switch Tatar and Z. I think Tatar will shine even more with Pav. Plus Z and Nyquist have a great chemistry together, Gus seems to have a better confidence out there with Z and he seemed to get the majority of his points while playing with him. I am not sure if this deserves its own thread, if someone wants to make one go ahead, but now that Holland seems to be done with UFA's and needs to focus on his RFA's, and when he signs them all, the roster is pretty crowded up front and in back. Especially at D. We have 7 NHL defensemen and 4 kids ready to come up. All 4 kids have exemptions and could all start the year in GR in needed. BUT! But Marchenko said that even though he doesn't want to be a whiner, he DOES NOT want to spend another season in GR. He may just opt for the KHL. We would still retain his contract and he would remain Red Wings property, and Blashill has already said that he love Jakub Kindl. So this leads to my question and possible topic for a thread, with the log jam on this team, especially at D, who do we sacrifice? How much influence does Blash have on the personnel? Can Blash and Holland convince Marchenko to start in GR and he will be up within the year? I would think that Marchenko would be just as upset to come up here and be #7. We will have 15 forwards under contract not including Callahan who is out of exemptions. That makes 16 forwards to deal with...if Franzen in LTIR, still have ONE too many. I would try to trade either Andersson or Callahan along with Quincey. FWIW, I think Kindl fits in better at D than Quincey at this point. I know that Q only has the one more year left on his contract and will gone after this year, but I just think Kindl fits in the program better. OF course Ideally, you get rid of two of them by next season in order to make room for the kids. I think one of Sproul or Ouellet gets traded because there just won't be any room for all 4 of the kids on the 16-17 roster with Smith re-signed here for 2 years. Not even enough room for 3, or even 2 if Kindl stays. 16-17 D roster Kronwall-Ericsson Dekeyser-Green Smith-Kindl If Kindl is traded you still only have 2 spots for 4 kids. Something has to give. Ideally if you want at least 3 out of your 4 kids on your roster in 16-17, you need to NOT re-sign Q, have Kindl and another traded (Smith or Ericsson.) I honeslty think if they traded Ericsson, Quincey this summer and promote Machenko and Jensen, they would have a better D NOW and not have to deal with all 4 at once next season. Kronwall - Green Dekeyser - Marchenko Smith - Kindl Jensen(Sproul) I still believe that one of the kids will be packaged, although we have no room for more players, but if we got one essential part or a few assets, it may work.

Franson still weighing options...hey Cody join us, we can dump Q and give you his money for a year, then you can try UFA again next July!

#97 is cool, anything but #90. I am pretty sure they won't let him wear #91, he may not even want to do so. But remember, #11 is also opening up...#17 is open, #22, #23 (I am sure Lashoff won't be back) There's always #24, #25, #28, #32, #33....along with a plethora of higher numbers... SAY NO TO 90!!!

Well now that R. Smith has been traded to FLA, maybe we can trade Brendan+ to FLA for a draft pick. I am sure the bros would love to play together! Boy, Boston is having a fire sale this summer...sheesh!

We need a Blue Adams line combo thread...STAT! Who is betting that Weiss ends up back in FLA?

...or maybe he trades Smith, Quincey and Sproul to TO for Phanuef...

Thread Title needs to be change to: NOW Holland Doesn't Expect To Be Busy... ...until he signs Franson tomorrow. Wouldn't that be the sheet? (I know, I know, no Cap Room, just kidding anyhow!)

I recovered. I was personally getting angry that a lot of teams were getting better and it seemed we were just going to go with the kids. I was really angry that Pit got better, but with our two signings, I do believe we got significantly better than we were last season. ESPECIALLY if the roster is filled out by the kids and not Franzen and Cleary. Still a log jam all over, but could be very good for us! The streak will live for sure and maybe even more! We'll also have Mrazek here all season stealing Jimmy's job and Jimmy (hopefully) staying focused because he knows if he slips, his job is gone. Win win for us! Better forwards, better D, better goalie situation....(plus a Jack Adams finalist behind the bench! (Hey, I see it happening!))

So with Green here, there is definitely a move coming or a waiver or two. Kronwall-Ericsson Dekeyser-Green Smith-Quincey Kindl Sure, I guess the kids can go to GR, but Marchenko already said he doesn't want to spend aother whole year in the A. I honestly think a great idea would to be move K and Q and give a spot to two of the kids. You may be able to get a pick for each of them. Kronwall-Ericsson Dekeyser-Green Smith-Marchenko Jensen

Well with Richards on board, that makes 14 forwards (with Franzen still being hurt) Tatar-Datsyuk-Abdelkader Nyquist-Richards-Zetterberg Jurco-Sheahan-Pulkkinen Miller-Glendening-Helm Andersson/Ferraro Callahan may beat out Ferraro, unless there is a trade upcoming to make room. I am not so sure Ferraro would clear waivers again, I am not even sure Callahan would either.

just no to #90 please. Just take a new number, I dunno, #29 or #33 or #51, doesn't matter, just no #90.

Detroit needs to go ahead and outbid for Green and Franson. Deal with the logjam come October. Waive Q and K, trade Smith, whatever. I am ******* sick of always watching these teams getting better, trying things, making ballsy moves and Holland standing pat. I get it, kids, I know, but damn it, you can have the kids next season when you once again have some open spots. You are not going to be able to keep all 4 anyhow. Not with E and Kronner signed forever. You are keeping Danny D for sure. Sign Green and Franson to that group and then you are instantly better. Hell, trade Jensen and Sproul also when the time comes. I love the lore of the streak, but Dats and Z aren't getting any younger, they don't have time to wait for these kids to become regulars. By time any if these 4 kids become regular players, Dats will be retired and Z will have half a back left. Just do it.

I don't get how Pit is always able to pull off these trades. Sheesh, I remember when we had a GM that pulled triggers like this. Even Doug McLean says these prospects aren't worth it. I am so sick of everyone trying to rape us. Everyone wants Larkin, Mantha, Sproul and our 1st, yet take 2nd tier prospects from everyone else....f*** our former coach and former player!