LeftWinger

uh...for some reason I thought Perron was a defenseman. Silly me.

If we could land Perron and or Petry, that just may give us a little shakeup that may spark something. Question, Kindl is already a healthy scratch most nights, IF the Wings were able to land BOTH Perron and Petry, which defensemen go? Do you think Q would be part of that trade or would we lose a prospect? I really don't like the idea of losing ANY of of D prosepects, XO, Sproul, Jensen, Marchenko, Backman, Nedomlel, Wheaton, McNulty and Dehass are all very important to this team IMO. We still own the rights to Almqvist, although I do not think he will come back the NHL even if his rights were traded. I know you have to give to get, and trading Q and K is not going to get you Perron or Petry, let alone both. Looking back at that list of prospects, are we going to have room for these guys when they are out of exemptions in a few years? Same situation as Nestrasil, you groom your prospects to become NHL ready, then lose them because you have no room on the NHL team. Do we risk trading one or two of those guys along with an established NHL'r? I know Edmonton wants a 2nd line center, Weiss is NOT going to waive his NTC to go there. I think Edmonton asks for Sheahan before Helm or Andersson. No thanks, so I think unless they'll take a 1st round pick instead, we are out. Sheahan is a no trade IMO.

Its just the sting of losing him for nothing because we have Cleary. If the Wings had signed Iginla, Heatley or someone that is a factor in games night in and night out, the sting would be far less if we had to expose Nestrasil to waivers. But, we lost him beacause Cleary is on the roster. Period. That is what stings the most. Most of us hated the Cleary re-signing, and now that it cost us Nestrasil (and think about it, it could have cost us Ferraro AND Callahan earlier in the season) for nothing in return, people are a bit bitter when he scores a goal in his first game that he is given good minutes to play. True, with the likes of Mantha, Pulkinnen, et al. coming up soon, we probably won't really miss Nestrasil, even though we did lose him to waivers, it's just that we lost him to protect Cleary. :puke: Damned if you do, fool me twice if you don't. It's just that damn Cleary guy...

didn't get to watch the game last night, but from the sounds of it, the 3rd period was a stinker... ususally I am one to fly off the handle a bit (no! you don't say!) but stepping back a bit, if they went 3-1 every 4 games I think we'd have a pretty good record and for the most part we would all be happy with watching that team. still hate that we lost a prosepect for nothing though. Dan Cleary is just not worth it. Good news is, Weiss is doing pretty good in his conditioning stint and will soon bump Cleary out of the lineup. Has Smith been injured? I noticed the other night that both XO and Lashoff were playing. Was he back for the Toronto game? As always, LGW!

Sharks put Adam Burish on waivers...per LeBrun twitter, sorry cannot cut/paste right now. Is he anyone that we'd be interested in? Helm and Andersson just to be nice.

that was nowhere near a penalty...not even borderline.

I agree with all of you. I want Weiss to do great. I hope he does, we've already wasted a year of his contract, and so far this season, he hasn't been able to play. I really think the potential of a VERY healthy Weiss lined up with Nyquist on his wing could be a nice combo. I am just so, so tired of waiting and waiting for a player X to get healthy and then hope he can return to form. This is the reason Holland doesn't do anything on the market to improve his team. He traded perhaps our top prospect last year because everyone was hurt, he had to, but it was still an overpayment especially since Legwand went on to another team. He had to lose Nestrasil because he is hoping Weiss comes back 100% and scores 30 goals again. Plus, we had no room because of the Cleary signing. I hope that Weiss does come back and returns to form, but it just seems like its a far fetched wish that will never happen...

The fact is, we lost him for nothing. A player with potential, one of our values 3rd round picks (ones Holland refuses to trade because he finds such valuable players there.) Plus, there is no need to lose a player with untapped potential for nothing at all...especially at the price of keeping Cleary and Kindl. Both of whom bring NOTHING to the ice with them. Make Cleary a coach if he is so valuable in the locker room. Sure, Nestrasil wasn't the next Tatar or even Jurco, but why waste your valuable drafted players that are deemed SOOOOO important to rebuilding this team, just so you can keep Cleary? What next, put Pulkkinen on waivers next season just because you promised Alfredsson a spot if he wants to play? Holland screwed the pooch on this one. He screwed the pooch on Jarnkrok (although he had to) and we are out on two players with the potential to be very good players in the NHL. Doesn't matter, we have ZERO control over it, but all along 99% of us said that if we start losing kids because of Cleary and Quincey, then we would be pissed, so there is no need to ask us why we are pissed now. Weren't you guys here when Holland was quoted saying, we aren't going to keep Oullet in the lineup at the expense of Jakub Kindl. It shows right there where his loyalty is, he will risk exposing players to waivers to keep his veteran. He kept Cleary over Nestrasil, and it won't be the last time he f***s this team up....no wonder Babcock won't re-sign...

what a ******* waste! Stupid Ken Holland is Stupid! All in the name of Cleary, we lost a promising young kid. This is why I say Holland should just start trading his picks for players again because we have so many kids that are ready to come up, but there is no room for them. May as well stop drafting players until these useless players are off the Wings (Cleary, kindl, Quincey, Franzen...) and there's room to bring up our draft picks instead of wasting them. Jarnkrok, traded. Nestrasal given away for free, so we can keep Cleary and Kindl... I.Am.Pissed.

Sometimes you make mistakes....JJ trusted his parents, Fedorov trusted a financial advisor and gave him millions and millions to invest...that didn't work out too good for Sergei. He thought he was hiring a professional and JJ thought he was in good hands with his parents. Greed kills and nobody is immune to now and again.

quick question about this waiver thing. Does a player need only clear waivers once in a season? If he clears waivers once, is he then free to come and go as the team needs? Without be exposed to waivers again?

...dude, you are a few tracks ahead of us! Sheesh, there's always one in the crowd! Lol!

this team looks so good until Franzen gets out there...oh mama Mia mama Mia, let him go!

just so long as you don't kill a man by putting a gun against his head and pulling the trigger and he's dead... Anything but that and I'm good.

old time hockey!

nice block by Franzen! Followed up by af****** lazy play... I know he was tired, but not only was Gus flying waiting for the pass, he actually called out "hey Mule!" Franzen looked right him, stopped skating and lobbed it in on goal for an easy freeze. Just because you're lazy Franzen, doesn't mean the whole team is! He should have passed it to Gus at then went off, Gus has the energy and attitude we need, Franzen just slows his team down...

for all his energy, I sure wish Helm could finish...how many times is Franzen going to float a shot at the goal...he is no threat whatsoever.

Ericsson can go too. He would not be missed.

...at least you didn't say Forsberg > FedOrov, then you'd be nuts. I think Cleary>FedErov...

need a trade. Need to change the attitude on this team. you guys hate reading it, but Franzen can still bring in a player that can change the offensive attitude of this team. Franzen, Andersson, Quincey can be traded without missing them. Also trade our 1st round pick this year. Obviously nobody wants Kindl, Ferraro or Callahan. I already know what you are going to say, "we need offense, so lets trade Franzen. That makes no sense." I believe we need an offense change in attitude. Outside of the kids, this team attitude is stale.

I forget who said this, it may have been Yzerman, even if it wasn't him, I know I heard someone from the Red Wings say it. He said that Peter Forsberg, when he has the puck, if the hardest player in the NHL to knock off of it, but when he doesn't have the puck, all you have to do is breathe on him and he falls... That statement alone, considering he was known as a diver league wide. That alone makes Fedorov a better player than him, but I agree stats were similar. Fedorov is the highest scoring Russian to play in the NHL, that alone again, makes him a shoe in for the HOF. The fact that he left the Wings as a UFA will have no bearing on it, don't know who mentioned it above, but that is silly. Forsberg didn't play his entire career in Colorado either. I only wish, much like Forsberg, Fedorov got to end his career where he belonged, Detroit.

speechless...hug your children, spend every minute you possibly can with them.

Hossa vs. Franzen Lets Go Wings!

"Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all." - Dale Carnegie Bryan Murray will live his passion until he can no longer do it. I think that he will work in the NHL up until the day he passes. I also believe in miracles and hope and pray for one of those today.

Thinking it over, I give crap to Holland, but I cannot fault him for not doing anything when all the other GM's want is Mantha. Then accept far less from someone else. It's the same old story, rape the Red Wings... I sure wish the arbitrator system would come back to the NHL...