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Yes, I work for THE major airline at DTW. Yes Dan Cleary went to Denver, but it was NOT in a trade. He was on a flight I was working. He took his Golf Clubs, Equipment Bag, Sticks and of course regular suitcase. I was just excited for a minute HOPING to log on here and see that a trade package had been made. (even though I know he has a NTC, but like I said, one could wish! ) I am assuming that he is probably doing something in the Denver area for charity or just going to skate with some others while he is out there. When I bumped this thread I was half way making fun, even though he did go to Denver....just not traded. (as far as we know yet! ) Maybe he is out there taking a physical and seeing if Colorado wants him. Maybe he waived his NTC to go to the Avs. Like I said, one can wish, right?

what about the Nyquist-Zetterberg-Franzen line? I remember those three doing good as a unit and lazy balls actually showed a bit of drive finally.

ya...but one could hope...

don't mean to bump this, but just put Dan Cleary's equipment, sticks and golf clubs on a flight to Denver... I was so hoping to log in here a see that he was dealt to the Avs...oh well...

In all seriousness, this is no contest. Yzerman and Fedorov, hands down, all day long, all week long, all year long...etc...etc... I love Pav and Z, but if Yzerman and Fedorov were able to play in this no obstruction era, I cannot imagine the points they would have put up. I believe Pav and Z would've done fine in 90's, but not as good as they do now and I believe nowhere near what Yzerman and Feds would do today...

Holland could've waited (and waited) to re-sign Q until now. He missed out on the big names and pulled the trigger too quick on Q. I also think it would have cost about $1.5M less if he had waited. Even if Q left, he is easily replaced. I still don't get why Morris hasn't signed anywhere. I must be missing something with him...

Fedorov. HOF for Feds, yes. Datsyuk, if he returns to 90+ points per year yes. He needs a couple MVP type years to lock him in. I think the better comparison is Datsyuk and Larionov since both are pass first type guys although Dats Dekes are top tier of all time.

The point being, there were/are a ton of "what ifs?" The biggest two being what if we have less injuries this season and what if Franzen returns to form. We very well may have a couple less injuries, but Franzen is where he is at. He will not suddenly become 2008 Franzen again, you are going to have to be fine with 15-20 goals from him, if that. Howard is still average. He needs to step it up big time and prove he can win the BIG games. I don't care if he wins 25 or 45 games in the regular season, he needs to win the 16 BIG ones. He is in his prime, he has probably already peaked, so he needs to step it up because he is two years away from losing his starting job outright to Mrazek. Injuries: Like it or not, agree with me or not, Pav, Z, Franzen, Helm, Ericsson are all damaged goods. Yes they can possibly have an injury free season, but history dictates otherwise. I expect all of these guys to out for periods of time this seasons. That is what makes this Holland re-sign sit bad in my stomach. He relies too much on what-ifs. Sure IF all take a 180 and we have a relatively injury free season and Cleary/Q/K get back to a useful asset, etc... Holland will look like a genius and he will say "Told you so." But as these players get older, the odds are it's not going to happen. I just think that the past 4-5 season's of betting on what-ifs has turned Detroit off in the minds of other NHL players around the league. Maybe I am just a bit jaded from all the recent UFA snubs and traded players not wanting Detroit on their "list." We will see. But in 4 years if we are still bumping kids to waivers and back to GR while Holland keeps signing the same crap players over and over again, there may be a serious exodus of ticket holders.

if Callahan is that type of player and turns out to be even better, then he will have a hard time clearing waivers. He will be snatched up, probably by Nill or Yzerman, and we will lose him for the sake of Cleary. This is why I hate Holland and why I commented in the 4 year extension thread my dislike for the extension.

its just my opinion, but this is bad news. I hate it and feel its going to push the Wings even further down the list of desirable places to play. This is not good.

nice honor. I am still mad the relationship with Sergei went south or he would be right there with those two.

where is Ferraro and Callahan at ? Oh ya, gone to GR, or worse, waivers. Both deserve a spot over Cleary. I really hope they clear waivers. I know they only played a couple games, but would hate to lose them for zero.

...so Holland says he is looking to re-sign Alfie and will NOT be signing a depth defenseman or forward. So our worst nightmare has come true. Only $4M left in cap, don't know how he is going to split that up between Danny and Alfie...

...is that Tootoo's wife or twin sister? Anyhow, don't get me started on the fragility of Helm, but if something does happen, oh my God, is this going to fuel the flames. At least he didn't get injured doing this (ala Uwe Krupp dog sledding.) Maybe this is a good sign that his back is healed? But he damn sure better stay healthy this season. At first I thought Herlmer was the reporter who wrote the article...

I think we really lost a great player when it came to Lapointe. I know the Wings weren't matching that Ludacris contract Boston gave him, but he was being groomed to be the next Captain. Pound for Pound (thanks Mick!) he was the toughest little son of a B in the league. He backed down from nobody. He also could shoot the puck. We miss players like Marty. He may not of been my favorite, but he was missed.

it most definitely would have cost us Yzerman, but I would've been ok with that. Fedorov was the key to our Cups. Add to that Greztky? Also remember that in 1989, the Wings wanted to draft Bure but weren't allowed to due to a paperwork messup. By time Bure was eligible to be drafted the next round Vancouver stole him just ahead of us. I love Yzerman, but imagine Gretzky, Fedorov & Bure on that team. Maybe the makeup of the dynasty would have gone a little different (ie you know Gretz would have gotten McSorley here along with Tikkanen and Kurri eventually) which probably would have meant no trade of Coffey for Shanny...the possibilities for changes are endless. Still would've been a super dynamic team. just remember, Gretzky got his way and even Feds could've been dealt for someone Gretzky wanted.

Jersey, I remember that game vividly! I never felt so satisfied for a tie ever in my life! IIRC the tying goal just barely trickled over the goal line and I remember jumping up and saying "IT'S IN!"

taking nothing away from Nick and Homer, which are by far the best Swedes we have had. Z is up there as well, but this team accomplished far more with Russians than the recent influx of Swedes. I am not sure why they started shying away from Russians compared to before...did the talent pool dry up?

Live.....March 26th, 1997. For me that was game, set, match. Of course the night Stevie Lifted the Cup for the first time. I was at work and couldn't tear myself away from the TV to go home. But in person, it hands down is March 26th, 1997.

UNDER 16? Geez! What is going on here!?!? It is sad when you see children act in this, or any violent manner. I have a 16 year son and he is just an angel. I almost tear up when I think of what is going on in some children's lives that make them lose their innocence towards life way, WAY before they should. I know you cannot shelter your children, but this world makes you want to wrap a blanket around them and hold them forever... Sorry, that got a little off subject but its sad to see a 15 (or younger) year old child act like that without remorse.

...he is still better than Q or K. there's no crying in hockey.

point is, he is better than both Q and K. number9, if you are sore that much put some salve on it, the rash will go away.

I understand that this guy is not the splash UFA that Holland was trying to get but this is yet another defender that is better than #kfq AND Kindl. I don't really want to hear "then why did it take so long for him to get a contract?" I am almost certain (not fact, but IMO) that #kfq today would still be unsigned. I tend to believe that Holland is hoping that he turns his game back in to his Kings/Avs game and that Cleary somehow returns to his 2008 days and then Holland can stand up in front of everyone and say "See, I am still a genius..." MDZ may not have been our need for a top defender, but he addressed certain needs, as did a few other guys, along with a couple guys still unsigned. But we are now down to enough money for Danny D and then scraps for Alfie if he wants to play.

What about Dougie Brownov?

ya, but Osgood won 2 of the 4 and was 1 game away from a 3rd, plus a near MVP.