LeftWinger

No, please no! No more Jiri Hudler references!!! We already had Hudler 2.0 in Brunner, now if Frk can become a grittier, hungrier Hudler....ARGH! I can't take it! I thought I was rid of the little Pidler forever!!! Ok, seriously though, Frk is 6' 205lbs already...Pidler is 5'10" 185lbs soaking wet, so Frk has an advantage on him to start. I certainly hope he is better than Pidler by time he hits the NHL, if not, then may as well trade him today...projecting to be a Pidler type player is not exactly comforting to hear. I am glad after reading his profile on the other site, that Pidler is not mentioned once. Whew!

Euro....how do you KNOW he will be in GR?

Hey Kip, Gleason is from Michigan and he decided on a 1 year contract in Carolina...guess even home isn't that important when it comes to Detroit!

I hope he does not..that is for sure! I don't care if it was a 10 way contract which involved the Saudi Hockey League as a destination.

^ Wow... Ok then... So I don't KNOW anything, but if he does sign, I am 99% SURE it will be for more than $1M...considering Holland already overpaid #kfq by about $3M he is sure to give Cleary around $2M...

Holland isn't making a run at the Cup...that is the reason no quality UFA even considered Detroit. Holland is looking to fill holes and bits and pieces to keep competitive and keep the playoff streak alive...

Did Holland not want him or did he not want to come here? Would've loved the chance at Heatley for $1M...makes you shake your head even more at the #kfq $4.25M... Ducks look good this season...remember when we got the guy on a discount for one season all the time because we were always favorites? Ahhh...the good ol' days! Wouldn't mind giving Stempniak a contract instead of Cleary, hell I'd rather have Penner than Cleary. Funny thing is Cleary will get MORE than Heatley....and that there, my friends, is LAUGHABLE.

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Not sure if you knew this or not, but this is being discussed in the "Off season trades and signings" thread already. Not sure it needed its own thread, but the detailed info you added was a great read! Thanks! Please take no offense.

Chances14 - I think the idea is if Garrison went for a salary dump and only garnered a 2nd, 7th rights to a player, then Washington's salary dump could get similar. I honestly think Ferraro and Almqvist's rights are worth more than the 7th and the rights Tampa acquired. The only sticking point is the 2nd. I would prefer a 4th, as long as its not our 1st. BTW, Niskanen and Orpik are Washington's jewels now, Green is expendable and basically a salary they need to shed. In most NORMAL salary dumps, you accept some depth players and picks, since you really don't want to trade salary for salary. Notice I said most NORMAL, we are after all, dealing with Ken Holland here and he has been known to overpay....from time to time!

No, I meant if Washington would take Ferraro, 4th and Almqvists rights for Green...sorry for the confusion there.

The 4th into a 2nd doesn't sound too bad if he re-signs. Although I sure would like to maybe add a player instead of that conditional pick...going to be a deep draft and having a 1st and 2nd next year will be like gold. Dats-Deke...that's not too bad for Garrison, wonder if they would take our 4th, Ferraro and the rights to Almqvist...

what it would take to get Trouba here would be too much. I would be happier just keeping Ouellet and Tatar and especially that 1st or 2nd pick. Besides, Trouba isn't really what we need here. I am not saying Green is the answer, but he addresses a pressing need and would cost tons less in assets. Plus he is still only 28, so if we get him to re-sign, we'd have him for 3-4 prime years. Not saying Trouba wouldn't be dynamic here, but the price in return would hurt us more in the long run AND he is just entering his prime (or not even yet) so that would be 6-8 years of him making $7M+ more than likely once he gets his next contract...he is good, even borderline approaching great, but I am just looking at a business aspect of it. Plus giving up those young players you pretty much waste all you high drafting for the last few years.

I agree Son of a Wing... Nobody wants our bottoms 6'ers for high end players in a rebuild, that is the only reason trading Datsyuk and or Zetterberg was brought up, IF Holland decided to go for a total rebuild, the only was we could trade for #1 picks or high end younger players would be to dump salary and all stars. I am not for this, I said it when I mentioned it before, I would rather win WITH Datsyuk, but even with our retooling, unless we can get some UFA luck next summer, we may not win another Cup with Pav. But, said unnamed user just reads "Trade Pav, Trade Z..." and resorts to bashing and attacking. No big deal, I've been bashed through the years...I can take it. Anyhow retooling is fine with me...if Green comes in, does what we need him to do, then re-signs, then losing Ferraro and a pick (if that is the deal, we don't even know yet) wouldn't hurt too much. And having Green here and re-signing could very well show some UFA's out there that Holland is serious about getting back to the top and maybe our UFA luck will change...I am hoping, because I am tired of being snubbed for whatever reason. Still makes me mad about #kfq though. Morris is out there, waiting, RH'd and better than #kfq and would have cost the same if not less...even if he cost a bit more, he is more of what we need. But if Holland is able to land Green for a good return, I can move a bit more towards the forgiveness isle...

Yes, I would say they screwed up. I guess this upcoming season is going to be their one window to win it all... As of right now, they only have $3.2M in cap space with only 15 players under contract. They most definitely will NOT be re-signing Richards. I believe Hossa's days are numbered there as well. They could very well lose Oduya as well. He is a UFA after next season and currently makes $3.375M. He will most definitely get a raise and they just don't have the space. Even if the axed Hossa's $5.2M that is only $8.4M with 14 players signed...kind of hard to get 10 players signed for $8.4M especially if you give Oduya the raise he will earn. (I would say at least $4.5M and that would be a home team discount.) I will take Hossa and Oduya from them whenever they are ready!

It's funny how a certain user (won't mention any name) cannot come on here without attacking others with snide remarks. There are three ways of going about this team, rebuild, retool or go for it. Go for it means, get the high end players you need NOW and try to win NOW, retool is to keep a core group of players and try to keep competitive enough and hope one day you can make it to the finals and maybe win, rebuild is to dump high end players and salaries in order to get multiple high draft picks and promising young players to rebuild a NEW core... Nobody is advocating trading Datsyuk, Zetterberg or Kronwall. The suggestion was, if Holland was going to forgo all efforts to win now and not try to acquire the needs to win NOW, and go for a total rebuild, he may as well go for it all and get the huge returns for his high salaried super star players. Instead he is content with retooling and just being average enough to make the playoffs. Good thing is we have high end prospects that project to be very good to great players. So as long as Holland doesn't overpay for a rental, we should be in great shape in 5 or so years. Unfortunately it will be too late for Datsyuk, unless he starts signing those famous Holland 1 year deals. Anyhow, back to this subject, in which the same user just cannot seem to stay on in any topic, if Ferraro and a pick gets it done, that would be fine, as long as Green re-signs. (I really don't want to lose Ferraro for him, but I know both he and Callahan are out of exemptions and we may lose them both for nothing anyhow, since there is no room for them on our current forward group.) NO trading any of our kids that are already here...that includes Jurco. This thread is not about who is better, Nyquist, Tatar or Jurco, its about Holland pursuing Mike Green. If you want a thread about who the best Wings Kid is, start a new one... Unfortunately Ken Holland is known for overpaying in trade, at least recently. Like I mentioned earlier, Jarnkrok would have stung a bit less if Legwand would have re-signed. But as it looks now, we overpaid and gave up our top prospect for a rental. Ferraro is no Jarnkrok, but it would still hurt to only get a one year rental for him...then again, if we were going to lose Landon for nothing, and Green comes in and becomes a 70 pointer again...flip a coin, got to give to get...

If it's truly a salary dump, then Ferraro and a pick should do it...no higher than a 4th though, not in this deep draft. If they are going to be allowed to rape us (as per Gary Bettman) then I say screw it, no deal. LIke I said, I really don't want to give up any prospect, but if Ferraro gets it done...that would suck for him though, I know he knows its a business, but it sucks to put your time in and then get traded...but then again, if he gets to the NHL with Washington, there is definitely no room for him here this year,plus being out of exemptions... Mike Green better turn out what we need and he better re-sign. You think we could throw #kfq in for good measure?

NO to Tatar, Jurco,Nyquist, Mantha OR Pulkkinen...OR a 1st rounder...ESPCIALLY next years! I can be ok with a 2nd and a 5th...if this is indeed a salary dump, that should suffice. I like our top 25 prospects too much, especially the forwards. I suppose I could part with Callahan or Ferrao....maybe Janmark, but that is it, no further. If they wanted, I'd rather give them Andersson or Helm and just keep the draft pick(s.) If they didn't want Kindl as a throw-in, Andersson, 2nd round or Helm, 5th round. I keep my prospects, that is all we have touted the last 5 seasons and we already lost Jarnkrok for a rental, which would have stung less if Legwand would've re-signed.

Holland should get Jeremy Welsh signed to a two-way contract like he did with Porter. He would be great depth in GR and can be used for injury callup's...last year showed you cannot have enough centers in the system!

How about Helm and Kindl straight up? Sign Morris, have two RH d-men, waive Lashoff, #kfq is your 7th guy... Kronwall - Green Smith - Dekeyser Ericsson - Morris #kfq

What do you guys think of Ryan Malone? I haven't followed him too much after he left Pit, but could he be a in front of the net power forward type we could use? I see Vancouver bought out Booth and he is a UFA. Also, I would love to add Jeremy Welsh to our crop of young talent. Other players that I think would be nice here INSTEAD of re-signing Cleary: Heatley, Ott, Setoguchi and then the mentioned Booth and Malone..

I agree Kip. The Tigers couldn't attract crap until Pudge came here. Then it seemed like the flood gates opened to more and better players coming and staying. I guess all the Wings need is that ONE highly respected UFA to come in and on the doors for others...but re-signing #kfq, #f***cleay and mediocre goaltending is not going to help...

I didn't see this already being discussed, if there is one already please delete this one... Once again, I am having trouble with my paste commands on here but if you go to detnews.com the article is there. This is sad news, I hope he can beat it! I am having one tonight in honor of the man who help build our Dynasty! quick little funny story, when he was coach/gm for us, I was pushing wheel chairs at metro and always was on the look out for NHL players traveling. I ran into Bryan Murray on his way to GM meetings and they were in the middle of a 10-15 game unbeaten streak at the time. A lot of people were starting to recognize him and I jokingly asked him, "Its kind of hard to remain anonymous now-a-days isn't it?" He laughed and answered yes. He then started asking about what I do at the airport and just being friendly in general. During our conversation I mentioned that I was going to the game the next night. He said make sure his assistants coaches do a good job while he was gone. I said no problem! Well they lost. Oh well. Now, fast forward a few days later after the meetings and I am at work in my work station and I happen to see him walking through towards baggage claim. He saw me and approached me and asked me what happened and that he thought I was going to take care of things...lol! I told him I submitted some line changes but they wouldn't listen to me! He had a laugh! I thought is was so cool that with all the business of the NHL and the thousands of fans he meets, that he actually remembered our conversation and even was down to earth enough to give me a little egg on my face... Great, great guy and great Hockey mind. It's just too bad he hasn't been able to win that Cup yet...stay strong Bryan and beat this!

Yes, it was especially cool to a 22 year kid who idolized the Red Wings since he was 9 and continues into his 44th year of living! I will never forget it! Working at the airport during that time you cannot imagine the players and coaches I met. Back then only the Wings and the Kings had private jets, so the rest of the NHL flew Northwest Airlines...good times! Rest In Peace NWA....screw Delta....what? oh sorry, that's a whole-nother story...

Oates trade was horrendous, but he shouldn't have been bitching about Steve Yzerman... Graves for Carson was our advantage at the time. Carson just scored 49 goals where he hated being. The idea was if he scored 49 there, just imagine what he could do if he went someone he wanted to be. Unfortunately for Jimmy, there was a kid names Fedorov coming in that took his #2 center spot. All went well though, we traded Jimmy back to LA for Coffey and then Coffey got us Shanny. I think more so Holland is just afraid anything will backfire. Although when he grows a set, he does pretty good...Hasek, Schneider, Staurt, even when he acquired Chelios, Ranford, Samuelsson and Clark back in the day. Who'd a thought Chelios would stay here 10 years as a player? There were just too many trades that didn't work out, UFA signings and wrong UFA choices as well. He figures if he stays pat, then it can't get any worse, if he makes a deal, it might blow up in his face. He is afraid to fail. That is his problem and that is hurting this team...