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NO to Tatar, Jurco,Nyquist, Mantha OR Pulkkinen...OR a 1st rounder...ESPCIALLY next years! I can be ok with a 2nd and a 5th...if this is indeed a salary dump, that should suffice. I like our top 25 prospects too much, especially the forwards. I suppose I could part with Callahan or Ferrao....maybe Janmark, but that is it, no further. If they wanted, I'd rather give them Andersson or Helm and just keep the draft pick(s.) If they didn't want Kindl as a throw-in, Andersson, 2nd round or Helm, 5th round. I keep my prospects, that is all we have touted the last 5 seasons and we already lost Jarnkrok for a rental, which would have stung less if Legwand would've re-signed.

Holland should get Jeremy Welsh signed to a two-way contract like he did with Porter. He would be great depth in GR and can be used for injury callup's...last year showed you cannot have enough centers in the system!

How about Helm and Kindl straight up? Sign Morris, have two RH d-men, waive Lashoff, #kfq is your 7th guy... Kronwall - Green Smith - Dekeyser Ericsson - Morris #kfq

What do you guys think of Ryan Malone? I haven't followed him too much after he left Pit, but could he be a in front of the net power forward type we could use? I see Vancouver bought out Booth and he is a UFA. Also, I would love to add Jeremy Welsh to our crop of young talent. Other players that I think would be nice here INSTEAD of re-signing Cleary: Heatley, Ott, Setoguchi and then the mentioned Booth and Malone..

I agree Kip. The Tigers couldn't attract crap until Pudge came here. Then it seemed like the flood gates opened to more and better players coming and staying. I guess all the Wings need is that ONE highly respected UFA to come in and on the doors for others...but re-signing #kfq, #f***cleay and mediocre goaltending is not going to help...

I didn't see this already being discussed, if there is one already please delete this one... Once again, I am having trouble with my paste commands on here but if you go to detnews.com the article is there. This is sad news, I hope he can beat it! I am having one tonight in honor of the man who help build our Dynasty! quick little funny story, when he was coach/gm for us, I was pushing wheel chairs at metro and always was on the look out for NHL players traveling. I ran into Bryan Murray on his way to GM meetings and they were in the middle of a 10-15 game unbeaten streak at the time. A lot of people were starting to recognize him and I jokingly asked him, "Its kind of hard to remain anonymous now-a-days isn't it?" He laughed and answered yes. He then started asking about what I do at the airport and just being friendly in general. During our conversation I mentioned that I was going to the game the next night. He said make sure his assistants coaches do a good job while he was gone. I said no problem! Well they lost. Oh well. Now, fast forward a few days later after the meetings and I am at work in my work station and I happen to see him walking through towards baggage claim. He saw me and approached me and asked me what happened and that he thought I was going to take care of things...lol! I told him I submitted some line changes but they wouldn't listen to me! He had a laugh! I thought is was so cool that with all the business of the NHL and the thousands of fans he meets, that he actually remembered our conversation and even was down to earth enough to give me a little egg on my face... Great, great guy and great Hockey mind. It's just too bad he hasn't been able to win that Cup yet...stay strong Bryan and beat this!

Yes, it was especially cool to a 22 year kid who idolized the Red Wings since he was 9 and continues into his 44th year of living! I will never forget it! Working at the airport during that time you cannot imagine the players and coaches I met. Back then only the Wings and the Kings had private jets, so the rest of the NHL flew Northwest Airlines...good times! Rest In Peace NWA....screw Delta....what? oh sorry, that's a whole-nother story...

Oates trade was horrendous, but he shouldn't have been bitching about Steve Yzerman... Graves for Carson was our advantage at the time. Carson just scored 49 goals where he hated being. The idea was if he scored 49 there, just imagine what he could do if he went someone he wanted to be. Unfortunately for Jimmy, there was a kid names Fedorov coming in that took his #2 center spot. All went well though, we traded Jimmy back to LA for Coffey and then Coffey got us Shanny. I think more so Holland is just afraid anything will backfire. Although when he grows a set, he does pretty good...Hasek, Schneider, Staurt, even when he acquired Chelios, Ranford, Samuelsson and Clark back in the day. Who'd a thought Chelios would stay here 10 years as a player? There were just too many trades that didn't work out, UFA signings and wrong UFA choices as well. He figures if he stays pat, then it can't get any worse, if he makes a deal, it might blow up in his face. He is afraid to fail. That is his problem and that is hurting this team...

Detroit is also the smallest big city in the country. You are far likely to run into trouble in Miami, Chicago, LA, Oakland, New York, Houston, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Fort Lauderdale... Detroit is smaller and the areas are far easier to avoid. If you like architecture Detroit is an awesome place to tour around. Players know they aren't going to live in the city of Detroit, but is the 20-30 minute trip worth it? Are the jacked up roads worth it? The player parking at the Joe is NOT worth it, I've parked there, I know. So the sooner the arena is up and the sooner the mayor gets this city turned around, the better. Most importantly, the sooner our kids establish that they are up and coming and show they are our future Stanley Cup core, then we will see some influx of UFA's here. Too bad it won't be in time for Datsyuk, but there will soon be the next All-Star center here....so lets see. I am just mad that all the improvements happening in the city is pushing the people who don'y give a s*** about their hoods out into the suburbs...I come back to the area every week to work and yes I see the people coming into my neighborhoods...its a sad thing that we cannot just somehow convince these people that nothing worth having is free and that keeping your neighborhood nice is a job worth doing...Inkster, Ecorse, River Rouge...ugh, they're like war zones and its creeping into Woodhaven, Brownstown and Flat Rock....sad, sad, sad... Ok, there is my city view for the year. I still believe its the Front Office and players not liking Babcock. Other than that, nothing has changed anywhere else...we need a change. Holland needs to step aside, Babcock needs to move on. A good start would be convincing Larionov to become asst. coach.

A list of guys still UFA that would help in some way on this club...and are better than #kfq: Derek Morris Paul Ranger Sami Salo Scott Hannen Hal Gill Michael Del Zotto Ryan Whitney Joni Pitkanen Sheldon Brookbank Ratislav Klesla Mike Komisarek Komisarek, Morris and Salo are RH as well...

#firekenholland EVERY defenseman that has signed a UFA contract thus far this off season is better than Quincey. "I don't know why they aren't coming here..." Maybe because you sign #KFQ for $4.25M and offer better players less....they just take the less somewhere else. Think about it, Holland overpaid for Quincey 3 times...1st round pick to get him, $3.75M his last contract and $4.25M now...I don't blame #KFQ at all, he is probably laughing all the way to the bank...

I agree....except for #kfq....and #firekindl taking up valuable spots the kids should be in. Pull you belt tight and hang on is all we can do....oh and #firekenholland.

Duck Dynasty? I know you are referring to the show, but the Ducks will never be a dynasty...I don't think there will ever be another Dynasty. The helmet looks silly if you ask me. I like the idea (and pictured it myself from the title) of actual Pac Man on the side with his mouth open...

...although it seems now he isn't too concerned about making moves for an immediate run. But he also is NOT endangering our future. I like our kids and our top 25 prospects.

Ok, I get ya Son! Like I said, it we all agreed it would be pretty boring here! I do think Mantha will win a spot in the top 6, due to our lack of having a REAL top 6 cast of players. But I wouldn't be surprised if he starts in GR because that is what Holland does...although he did a starting job in Detroit to Brunner, so we may get to see him in Detroit...

Just because I take hard line stances, doesn't mean I am combative with people...anyhow, I love when people disagree with me, but not when they just go "you're stupid" or "you don't know anything about hockey" anyhow, I've been here for a VERY long time and contribute a TON of stuff, so I am not worried about someone disagreeing with me. If everyone agreed with each other this would be a pretty boring forum. Here is your link on Stralman saying no to Detroit: http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/topic/76519-2014-offseason-league-signings-and-trades/?view=findpost&p=2528074

KRS, did you just make my point for me? Thanks! That is what I mean, crappy GM and coach crappy to play for... and yes, back to Mantha. Like I said before, he is not going to make the team to play in the bottom 6, so he either earns that top 6 winger spot or goes to GR. I say give it to him and let him develop here. We have the roster spot, he is going to play with two of the best players in the NHL and if he slumps, let him fight through it. He is the future...

krs.....it was Stralman...he was asked is he considered playing in Detroit and he abruptly answered "No." Now, I am not saying ALL Swedes love Detroit. The joke was, it's pretty bad when even Swedish defensemen are snubbing Detroit. for some reason I cannot cut and paste on here, so I cannot post the link to the tweet, but it happened.

Euro...please see the post above yours...I am not bashing Canada in anyway or discrediting the Gold's.... What is with people being so combative today? Sheesh! Babcock is the issue and Holland plays along. If this is not the issue, then why are UFA's shunning us when they never used to? Simple answer, Holland offers less money and players don't like Babcock. If Babcock was such a super great coach and all players he won Gold with admire and long to play for him, then why are the ones that were UFA's the 8 years knocking on the door to get here? ...and yes, I would take that bridge! I could double the fee and make a little extra money!

Wouldn't it be a riot to one day hear him say "This is NHL xx guys..." I would s*** twice and fall off my chair!

I didn't say it was an underachievement...but because of those back to back, you would think that Canada would stay with the format. Yet, they are changing it. Its no secret players do not like playing for Mike Babcock. Maybe because he is a prick? Sure, you say Scotty was a prick and players didn't like playing for him, but players from 15 years ago and a different breed than todays players. Plus, Bowman is Bowman and Babcock is not. He is the issue here. Maybe its just time for a change because players just don't respond to him anymore, I don't know. But its sad when even Swedish defensemen are shunning the chance to come to Detroit.

Good point about Babcock...until he is gone, this team is stuck in a rut. Legwand waived his NTC because he wanted to play here, but after what Babcock did to him, he bolted. Babcock is the issue why no good UFA wants to come here...and its no secret why Canada is going in a different direction for their Olympic team next time.

They were just examples, and I am glad folks agree that there are players in the league that have more value than Zetterberg. And know that I am not for trading Pav or Z unless it is for the likes of a player of their stature...I am not about just throwing them away for a rebuild, they'd have to bring in a new nucleus to our core. Like I said, I am not saying trade them, I'd like to win it again with them, but the way Holland has been doing things the last few years, it ain't happening... and I mean, the shriveled old man he is slowly going to turn into as his contracts expires...I give him full credit and appreciation for what he does and has done, but once Pav goes, Z becomes that much less effective and has the years come off his contract, he will start to turn old and not very effective at all.

I am glad I looked at that date on this topic... that was funny though...made me laugh for a moment, until I realized that if you just replace the name in the title with Quincey and it was just about as useless as a signing this would have been, then I curse Holland again...

Manxy Manxy Manxy....Helm, Kindl and a 1st would bring in more than you think...but you can just keep attacking my post's without mature discussion or thought intriguing responses because you yourself do not know how things work. You also lol'd and put the little shaking head emoticon up there when I said that Ehrhoff would get around $3.5M to $4M as a UFA because of his buyout, and you just decided to try to discredit my knowledge of hockey and my touch on reality....but wait, what exactly did he sign for? Do me a favor, do not reply to my posts anymore or just hit the ignore button and don't read what I put up here. Thank you. And for the record, the response "This isn't NHL xx" is getting about annoying as Holland kicking tires... I don't even play NHL xx...