LeftWinger

With what Franzen brings to this team, he isn't worth Emmerton's salary...seriously. I don't care about his 5 goals a week every third month. Until Franzen is gone, this team will never get above a wild card spot and never win another Cup. Franzen after "The Choice" 0 Cups... Hossa after "The Choice" 2 Cups and still in the playoffs... Every since Hossa left and we got stuck with The Wings have three 2nd round losses and two 1st round losses...haven't had a 40 goal scorer since. Franzen has averaged 0.375 PPG in the playoffs since 2010, only 0.5 since the 08 Cup. Hossa? 0.75 PPG. PLUS the 2 Cups... It is what it is, but Holland has to know that Franzen is done...he has to. He has to look at him float around 5 months out of the season and just curse up and down! I picture him doing the "Darn darn darn darn" dance of Herman Munster....Mule my ass, more like Llama or Emu...or Sloth. Oh, and the report that Hossa was offered a contract before Franzen, that may be, but it was well less than what Chicago gave him because Holland was offering Hudler $3.5M at the same time. Hudler and Franzen don't equal a fart from Hossa and look what we were stuck with and still are!!!

Buyout Franzen you jackass Holland! Use a ordinary buyout on Tootoo if you must, but GD it all to hell! BUYOUT FRANZEN! You are stuck in the mud with him on your team!

this was actually in the Holland Quote thread. I understand buying out Tootoo and letting him try to get a NHL contract, but this team will be skating in mud with Franzen on it. He brings the entire team down 37 notches...just say goodbye to

I never bought the concussion theory either for Howard, but I did see him being sick...a bit of yellow fever.

Holland overpays in trade yet tries to under pay the UFA's out there... I think he has it backwards. That being said, I would also take Kesler for Helm, Smith and 1st. But as I mentioned in the other thread, what about throwing Edler in? What would have to be added to make that blockbuster? I personally would throw Franzen in along with Almqvist.

I don't think PIT will be able to afford him. Like I said before, they only have 7 forwards, 5 d and 2 G signed for next season only a projected $15M cap space. Would they throw $5M+ of that to Matt and only have $9M-$10M to sign 5-6 more forwards and another D? Those would be some cheap signings for sure!

I know I a beating the Morris drum, but he finished with the same amount of points as Petry and played in nearly 20 less games and he is a UFA that may be looking for a change of scenery and out of Phoenix....er I mean Arizona. Petry would be an RFA and cost us draft picks to sign him. He is younger yes, but Morris is more of the lines we need for a couple of years. If Petry were to sign here, it would just make the log jam that much worse in 2-3 years and we may lose out on a prospect or two to waivers, with Morris, he signs a 2 year deal and goes away afterward. We have enough hot, young prospects coming up, we need that Vet presence right now to bridge the gap.

I like Niskanen too, but he is currently on a team that has a better shot at winning a Cup than Detroit does. He is a UFA and there is a chance he may leave for a bigger pay day (especially with his 46 points this season) unless he chooses the infamous discount to stay. I would offer him Kronwall money, but I think he may get upwards of $5M on the market. Funny thing about PIT, they only have 7 forwards, 5 defensemen and 2 goalies signed next season and they are only projected to have $15M in cap space...wow! This is their make or break year for sure! I still like the idea of a Derek Morris coming in to be that vet D-man. He is 35, RIGHT handed, averages about 20 minutes a game, and is a stay at home guy. He has lost some offensive prowess of course, but he could be a great 3rd pairing guy. Willie Mitchell also intrigues me, but again, he is on a team that has better chances to win than Detroit, same can be said of Boyle. I think the only way these guys don't re-sign with their teams (Niskanen included) is if the team hasn't the cap space or want to change things up. Which COULD be the case for Morris and Boyle, Phoenix for obvious reasons to change and in San Jose once again falls short of at least the Cup finals, Boyle could be asked to move on, in not so many words. I think Holland is going to do something outside of the obvious this time around and take us all for a loop! He just make that draft day deal that he is always talking about doing. It's no secret that Alex Edler would like to be a Red Wing and Holland would love him here. I can imagine the blockbuster return to Vancouver if we acquired Edler and Kesler...yikes! Could you imagine our team then? Who would you be willing to give up? The players that I feel are tradable at this time (doesn't mean they will get traded) are as follows: Johan Franzen, Darren Helm, Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, Brian Lashoff, Justin Abdelkader, Joakim Andersson, Adam Almqvist, Landon Ferraro, Mitchell Callahan and also Jimmy Howard. Throw in our 1st round pick and what would it take to get Kesler and Edler here? Then sign a Morris or Niskanen or Boyle. Of course if Howard were traded, that would mean you are betting you can lure Miller here, and that is no guarantee, so may as well stay with Howard, improve our D and get him a better, more healthy backup. I would trade Franzen, Helm, Smith, Almqvist and our 1st for Kesler, Edler, Booth and their 2nd today. Not unless Weiss would waive his NTC to go to Vancouver, then I would swap him for Helm and leave Booth and maybe take another pick, if not Burrows.

I also fully believe that Mantha will get a SERIOUS look this September and 90% chance of making the team...

you are all leaving out Almqvist, Callahan and Ferraro, who are ALL out of exemptions. Glendening is also now out of exemptions by 1 game. Trades ARE going to have to be made, so maybe there is a scenario that we make a nice deal at the draft for something we really need...

this would be awesome! Especially if Holland was able to scoop him back up!

I don't care if we lose Babcock or not, and I also wouldn't want to resign Legwand for $5M, but there is no way he will be our #4 center anyhow. Whatever, I just think since we gave up a ton (in comparison to others on Trade Day) that Legwand should at least be in the immediate future plans for a couple of seasons...but again, not at $5M. I do not like that they say that hey are going to build the D from within...I do like our kids, but I just think we need a vet or two to bridge the gap while the kids gain experience. BUT, I do feel that Marchenko, Sproul and Ouellet are going good solid players and am excited to see their progress. If they aren't going to bolster their D with better NHL players, then they damn well better convince Howard to waive his NTC because he proved this season that he cannot make the save when needed and needs a BETTER defense in front of him, not a greener one... Damn Holland, you are going to have $20M available and you want to fill you roster full of rookies? Why save the cap Kenny, so you can acquire that player at the deadline? Give us all a break!

if he isn't going to buy out Franzen, trade him. Package him K, Andy and the 1st for something useful...

Holland is going to die by his choice to keep Franzen over Hossa. He refuses to admit to that mistake. Pisses me off to not see Legwand in the plans, but Alfie is? f*** Holland and his man love on soft ass Swedish players! Franzen and Alfie were both useless when it mattered. Positive to see the old farts and Monster and Q won't be back. Have to trade K and Andersson if you ask me. Why buyout Tootoo? What a waste of a buyout... Holland looking like an idiot again.

I remember when Brendan Smith was our #1 prospect...and Johnathan Ericsson. Sure glad we didn't trade neither if those guys for something we desperately needed...they'd be tearing up the league somewhere else instead of tearing up the league here....oh....nevermind.

I cannot describe how much I love this!

I am telling you, Morris and Mitchell in place of Q and K and your D is tons better. 2 years each to bridge the gap while Sproul, Ouellet and Marchenko mature and learn the Detroit system. Trade K, AA and Lashoff... Kronwall - Smith Ericsson - Morris DeKeyser - Mitchell lights out.

...without Franzen preferably. exactly! Holland was choosing Hudler and Franzen over Hossa....a decision he surely regrets today. Considering he will soon be without all three. Holland gave Franzine $4M and offered Hudler $3.5M. Plenty of money for Hossa if not wasted on the others.

this team is going nowhere with Howard.

we are not gonna miss Jarnkrok. Besides, Holland makes 0 moves and we miss the playoffs, then he is a buster. if others would have stepped up this round, rather than just rely on Hank and Pav, we'd still be in it and the trade would have been even more genius. (as I point the finger at yet a 5th year in a row that Franzen was so horrible, the polar ice caps lost about 6ft of height...) He got his contract and decided he doesn't need to play, he should be taken out back and castrated! God forbid he spawns another heartless piece if s*** into this world! Babcock needs to be fired...he has mis-managed this team for a few years now. He thinks he is Gods gift to coaching, but he is not anywhere near so...bring in Larionov and watch us soar!

Yes, all day long and twice on Sunday! Well worth it.

...yet, we kinda did...lost 4 straight.

game on the line and Franzen is out there...God, I hope he just played his last game as a Red Wing... 0.20 ppg ... Sorry guys, he is still fair game for me!

Agreed, buyout Franzen since he has no trade value left. Only re-sign UFA Legwand. Trade Andersson, Kindl, Lashoff and Tootoo for whatever you can get. I still trade Howard, he stinks plus just turned his back in the team by opting out of playing. Concussion my ass. He is gutless and yellow. Trade him and your 1st rounder at the draft and throw the wallet at Miller. Sign Vokoun or Nabokov as your backup. Sign Derek Morris and another defensive vet, then promote Ouellet to the #6/7 role.

So, Bert, Cleary and Sammy are givens... Mine are Franzen, Quincey, Kindl & Howard.