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...which is one more thing than Bertuzzi provides...

I found it on YouTube, but cannot figure my phone out to cut and paste. They also bump heads at the end of it as well to acknowledge each other. Man I miss scraps like that. figured it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gRdCZ9_LQM

its time to sail this ship into the shore....because yes Bob Probert has done something similar. Not a high five and a hug, but in one of his and McSorley's long drawn out fights, there was a mutual pat on the head after the linesman finally got in between the two...so, yes it has happened before...

wow, harsh crowd today... I don't think $2M to $3M will affect most, if any, teams when it comes to this off season, but IMO I like that the cap may be a bit lower from expected next year. These salaries are once again, getting WAY out of control and the "market value" of marginal players is really hurting this league... In NO world is Kyle Quincey worth $3.75M let alone what he is going to get on the UFA market this summer. I know when it comes to the superstars, its a touchy subject because the likes of Datsyuk, Stamkos, Crosby are hugely responsible for the owners making the money they make, so they do deserve to be well compensated in return. The whole cap issue is touchy, but in today's NHL there are too many marginal players making WAY too much money and it's the fault of the GM's, who, complained about the salaries to begin with and wanted a cap. edit: as for a source, I also haven't found anything on the web, but I do remember the last Wings telecast on FSD, Ken Daniels did make mention the cap may not go up as much as once thought...

well the OP just wanted to debate on what we thought it would take to acquire him. We all agree it will take too much. In my silly little scenario, I broke down what I could do without in order to add Weber. I know that it wasn't reality and Nashville would ask for the world, but I did give up a ton of important cogs in the Red Wings machine, and that is what I would be willing to give up to get him. It surely would cost more, and I am not prepared to give up what it take in reality. But in the spirit of this thread, being asked what I would give up for Weber, that is what I would be ready to give up...a lot. Obviously it would cost more, so I guess I wouldn't be acquiring Weber because in my opinion, he is good, but not better than the combined worth of the players and picks I offered...some of these GM's need to be put in check. I sure wish they would bring back the arbitrator to the NHL to review all trade offers and penalize GM's for fleecing one team and accepting less from another...

I know guys...I know.

TWO 1st round draft picks(both of which will be top 12 (1 of them top 5) considering we aren't making the playoffs,) Darren Helm, Brendan Smith alone is a very valuable package. Throwing the other three in for padding. If Nashville wouldn't take that, then Poile is crazy...the problem is, Holland is stupid, so he would never offer it. I would put Ericsson in there instead of Smith if needed. (and that would be my preference.) to NSH: #12 overall and a #5 overall pick in 2014, Helm, Ericsson, Kindl, Ferraro, Almqvist Nashville would be put in an asylum if they wouldn't accept that...

Well I don't see why not, but hey, if that many assets and experienced players wouldn't do it, then so be it. I'd rather go for a couple vets via UFA like: Morris, Mitchell, Orpik, Zidlicky or Niskanen. I still trade Jimmy, but I know he won't be and that is too bad. That is why we really need to shore up the D in order to keep Jimmy from himself. Trade Almqvist & Kindl for a pick or two, sign (random) Morris & Zidlicky. Kronwall - Zidlicky Dekeyser - Morris Smith - Marchenko Lashoff

first of all, I wouldn't want Weber for his physicality...sure he is more physical than all of our D, but that is not why I would trade for him. I would trade for him to be the closest thing to Lidstrom we could get. An offensive threat with a blazing shot and a top tier defensive defenseman. What would it cost to acquire him...well if you think Poile fleeced Holland at the deadline, then you know he would ask for the moon AND stars for Weber. It would be justified though. This is why I say we trade Jimmy for a 1st round pick, be it from Edmonton, Winnipeg, Islanders, Florida... With the way Snow has been giving stuff away, we could probably get a 1st and a 2nd for Jimmy. Offer Ryan Miller the stars and all the planets and his own Little Caesar's franchise to come "home." Ok so follow me here: to NYI: Jimmy Howard (waive his NTC) to DET: 2014 1st to NSH: TWO 2014 1st round picks, Darren Helm, Brendan Smith, Jakub Kindl, Adam Almqvist, Landon Ferraro (would rather trade Ericsson than Smith, but I am already pushing Holland's limits) to DET: Shea Weber, retain some salary Sign as UFA: Ryan Miller, Jaromir Jagr. re-sign David Legwand (UFA) Tatar (RFA) Sheahan (RFA) Glendening (RFA) Callahan (RFA) DeKeyser (RFA) Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Jagr Franzen - Legwand - Nyquist Jurco - Sheahan - Tatar Miller - Weiss - Abdelkader (Andersson, Callahan) Weber - Kronwall DeKeyser - Ericsson Ouellet - Marchenko Lashoff Miller Mrazek

this debate is part of the reason I, and many others, wished that Holland would have extended an offer to Wiz a few years back. I mean a REAL offer. Sure he is not an enforcer, but he is a Marty Lapointe type who does stick up for his teammates and does drop the gloves when he needs to. Remember when Big E used to drop the gloves to defend his teammates? Then he got his ass kicked a few times and now is a Big P instead of a Big E. Dude, it's going to happen, even Probie got rocked a few times in his career, doesn't mean you stop sticking up for your teammates or defending yourself. Same can be said of Abby. Hell even Kindl threw down a few times in Kitchener...

Yes, Mr. Powerplay....for the longest time the term "Our powerplay is our enforcer" has been kicked around as the reason we don't need a real enforcer. I do believe it was actually one of Ken Holland's quote's. Well Mr. Holland, unless you can get Mr. Powerplay to come back, you are going to have teams running around taking liberties and possibly injuring your players...

so, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't they sign Tootoo for that reason? Then we can look at the fault of this to lay right on the heads of Babcock and Holland. I am not one to say we need a straight up enforcer, we all know that those type of players are obsolete to the game, but I am saying that Tootoo can't be any worse offensively than Bertuzzi has been and yet Tootoo always brought energy and excitement to the game everytime he was on the ice. I am also going to point out that every Cup the Wings have won recently has had a Tootoo type player on the team. Maybe not throughout the playoffs, but at least throughout the year to protect our stars and allow them to last the entire season and be healthy for the playoffs. I can imagine that Lidstrom and Yzerman and Fedorov were able to be as good as they were because of the likes of Probert, Kocur, Lapointe, Downey, McCarty et al... I think Tootoo should be recalled, especially now with Legwand here, and let him prove he is worth NOT buying out over the summer. We need a protector and unfortunately Mr. Power Play hasn't re-signed with the Wings the last 5 or 6 summers and I don't think he is going to take a home-town discount this summer either...

...as far as I am concerned, Alfie hang em up this summer. Thanks Alfie, but we won't be needing you next year. We should give Legwand the chance to re-sign, but ALL other UFA's can skate away. Concentrate on #1 D and #1 goaltender. Jimmy must go. convince Jimmy to waive is NTC to go to Buffalo, near his home and trade him for their 1st round pick. Then take our two top 14 picks and package them up with some players to get our #1 defenseman. Who that is or who is available, I dunno, but a couple of prospects, two roster players and two 1st round picks is a lot to dangle out there.

Holland has let this team get worse and worse since 2009. He made the choice, that's fine, but has done very little or been very stupid in trying to rebuild this team. He has this off season to make it right, if he says and does all the exact same things he has been doing over the years, then f*** him! start by trading Jimmy and then throwing the top allowed dollar amount at Ryan Miller. This team will never win with Jimmy.

Even the 7-4 win showed how bad the D is and the goaltending. You cannot give up 4 goals a game a expect to win. They scored 8 goals the last three games, but gave up 11. I see my Franzine came back to play. Knew he couldn't sustain it, but he isn't the only one. who said it? I hope Dats a Z enjoyed their Olympic experience. Euro's will never put the NHL ahead of the Olympics.

Should get rid of Jimmy over the summer. boy, did Suter really screw us! Verbal agreement and then "the boss" said Minny. ***** whipped mother f*****...

If you aren't convinced that Detroit needs a #1 defenseman AND better goaltending next season, then you ain't watching...

Double post sorry

...there should be a bounty out on the guy who crosschecked Jurco...whom also should have been kicked out of the game. these injuries are just too much to overcome, may as well throw the rest of the season to get a higher draft pick...thank you for 22 glorious seasons!

...maybe Legwand can influence a trade for Weber? I am sure Weber enjoyed his Olympic experience with Babs... Ok, I know.

Cleary... Our playoffs hopes are truly dashed if we are stooping to this talk... If the playoffs are a distant thought, I'd rather give Ferraro or Callahan a shot...Like stated from an earlier user, put Abby back at center and use CallaHAN OR BRING UP fERRARO. Or sit Bertuzzi, because he is useless and bring up both. May as well give them a chance instead of waiting until we are mathematically eliminated. Look at how our kids that are already here forced Babs to leave them in, could we luck out again? Franzen - Legwand - Nyquist Miller - Glendening - Alfredsson Tatar - Sheahan - Jurco Abdelkader - Ferraro - Callahan ..sure beats the hell out of putting Bert and Emmy in there...although we all know that is what will happen...

Wow.... "We didn't know Goalies were supposed to score goals..." so it can't be Howard's fault then! WAIT! Stop Everything! Rewind to 2003 first round sweep by Anaheim..... "It's Cujo's Fault!" "Cujo sucked here" "Oh God, please not another Cujo experiment!" ...any of those quotes sound familiar? Oh BTW, Fedorov was the leading scorer on the Wings that playoff with 3, yes T.H.R.E.E. points... You guys cannot have it both ways. A lot of this season is the team's fault, but a majority of it is Howard's crap ass below average play. He cannot control a rebound, gives up the VERY untimely goal and RARELY makes the timely save when it is needed! Oh, and lets not even talk about shootouts....BTW, Monster isn't much better...

I'd take Hiller in a heartbeat! Just say no more to Gustavsson....his grrrrrroin is worse than Hasek's!

yep and cannot ever make that one save they need at the right moment. D is struggling, but our goaltending is downright abysmal...

I too suggested the Miller acquisition. Seriously what has Howard done since losing Lids, Rafi and Stu? He has shown us just how below average he is. I say you package him and our 1st rounder at the draft. I know, NTC, who cares! Players can be convinced to waive it. Happens all the time!