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if I am buying a rental property for the playoffs, then I am offering Edmonton a pick for Ryan Smyth. Especially if Franzen is out for the season. Not out 1st pick have you, but a 3rd maybe...not unless they'd be interested in Andersson...

that is why I said he needs to guarantee to re-sign here. I also would not give up any of our future for a couple month rental. I also need to correct myself, I mistakenly included Jarnkrok in that scenario and I meant to put Pulkkinen... Jarnkrok in my opinion, will see time on our roster next season and be a mainstay in 15-16.

so we all pretty much agree, we need that top pairing defenseman...but who do you target? There aren't that many available via UFA, so it will have to be a trade... Bogosian, Yandle, Erhoff, Edler, Visnovsky, Wisniewski...etc... who do you target and who do you offer in return?

I would sacrifice our 1st for Vanek. If there is any season that we do not need our 1st, it's this season. I do not like him as a rental though. IF Holland can indeed score him off the Island, then he needs to re-sign ASAP. He needs to become the #1 priority and give him Z and D money for 8 years. This guy can a will be the closest thing to Hossa we have had since....well, Hossa. If we need to include Nyquist and Jarnkrok, do it! Nyquist, Jarnkrok, 1st rounder...can and should get that deal done...if you need to throw in an established NHL player, throw Andersson in.

speaking of Mantha, he has currently leap-frogged in to the #1 spot on the Wings prospects list, knocking Jarnkrok down to #4. Jurco and Mrazek maintain the #2 and #3 spots. Riley Sheahan rounds out the top 5. I think in the long run, we will all be happy that Holland did not trade that 2013 1st for Nash... for those interested here is the top 20 wings prospects: 1. Mantha 2. Mrazek 3. Jurco 4. Jarnkrok 5. Sheahan 6. Ouellet 7. Sproul 8. Backman 9. Marchenko 10. Athanasiou 11. Glendening 12. Ferraro 13. Pulkkinen 14. Almqvist 15. Janmark 16. Callahan 17. Nastasiuk 18. Paterson 19. Frk T-20. Jensen T-20. Bertuzzi

LTIR for the rest of the season...Get healthy Franzen, come back in 2014. Do the team a favor, let go of that roster spot and cap hit. You need to get 100000% healthy so you can go back to being the Franzen that was chosen over Hossa... here's you money, take the rest of the season off, we don't want you having to wear helmet off the ice as well!

I am not so sure about the Nash trade.... If we offered Flip, Franzen and a 1st (which we used to select Mantha) I think NYR paid much more in that Columbus got in return the aforementioned Anisimov, they also got Dubinsky, Erixon and the Rags 1st in which they chose Kerby Rychel. I would take Anisimov, Dubinsky and Erixon over Flip and Franzen... But I guess at the time, Flip and Franzen were probably considered better than the others...ironic is that usually a team asks for more from an inner-divisional team that others, now Columbus is in NYR division! Also, Nash is being outscored by Dubinskyand nearly by Anisimov. Delisle and Buchnevich are still nowhere around. So Columbus really took NYR on that one! Grant it I think Nash was injured a bit this season...

Stefan Noesen is from Plano, Texas... he has played only 2 games for the Norfolk Admirals in the AHL, after a very good career at Plymouth where his best season was 82 points in 63 games. Nyquist had just as impressive numbers at the U of Maine... I just don't understand Holland sometimes, but then again, wonder what Anaheim wanted from Detroit, IF Holland even showed interest. I can imagine it was far greater than what was accepted from Ottawa...this is why the NHL needs an arbitrator again, so teams cannot rape other teams. All trades and proposals need to be fair.

I agree Jimmy, teams (other GM's) are notorious for asking way too much from Holland, then accepting very little in comparison from other GM's... PERECT example...2008, Columbus wanted Val Filppula for Sergei Fedorov...accepted Theo "Ted" Ruth from Washington...who? has yet to even attempt an appearance in the NHL...

There is NO doubt Holland could have matched what Ottawa gave up for Ryan. Nyquist is just as good as Silfverberg Noesen hasn't stepped foot in the NHL for Anaheim thus far and could be compared to Ferraro. Our 1st round pick will be very similar to Ottawa's in 2014. Nyquist, Ferraro, 2014 1st for Bobby Ryan... Holland needs to grow his balls soon or this team in going to be out for a bit...

exactly...freedom of choice! Let them choose if they want to go or not, but as a nation, DO NOT pull out of these Olympics because terrorists are trying to destroy your way of life. The NHL should say, we are no longer supporting these Olympics (or any more for that matter) but our players are free to choose with their God given rights if they want to participate. Terrorists will NEVER a person's right to choose. I say good for the NHL for not wanting to put their players and families in danger, but you cannot bow down to these fools.

that 1st round pick alone gets you Bogo, especially if it is in the top 10. Almqvist and Ferraro are high prospects and Andersson is a defensive center who can kill penalties and Kindl in a very experienced d-man with some upside. It's actually the prospects and the 1st that are the main players. But then again, you are right, GM's want MORE than what a player is worth. But that is the NHL today...but it is very important to get the right D-Man here. This back end cannot go with the same group of guys next season. I don't see Kronwall, Dekeyser or Ericsson being traded. Smith, maybe.

I don't even like Toby Keith, but it was Al-Qaida that threatened Sochi...that is why I centered my rant on them...

Someone has to go...I am not for NHL players in the Olympics, but what are we going to send 17 and 18 kids over there to get blown up? That would be like throwing your kid in front of a bullet to save your own life... If we don't send players, the dickheads win. And I don't mean the Candians! I mean the terrorists. ( I am part Canadian BTW, so I can mess with my own heritage.) If the countries don't go to Sochi, then the bad guys win, they successfully strongarm us into their plots of fear. The ONLY way to stamp out this garbage and garbage people in the world is to react with vengeance. I don't mean a ground war against them either. Not to turn this political, but they way the world and the United Nations pussyfoot around these assholes isn't getting the job done. If you attack us, you will be destroyed. PERIOD. I am not saying FORCE these players and citizens to go, but let them choose, that is, in fact, the wonder of our nation, the right to choose. If you as an individual feel afraid or not then choose if you want to go or not. You cannot let these pigs win. That's right I called them pigs because that is what they are PIGS. How stupid would they be to bomb Sochi, when all they would get in return is the likes of not only the USA on their bad side, but now the rest of the world! Last time I checked, Russia and China weren't too involved in the war on Terror, but bomb Sochi? IN Russia? Now you Al-Qaida dildos have the entire world against you, and there will be nobody to oppose the USA when they start bombing your ass. It's time to stamp out these cockroaches with nuclear weapons. If something happens and China and Russia get pissed off, guarantee it's over. The middle east will look like a parking lot, and I for one, encourage it! Bye Bye Al-Qaida...

...we should merge these threads. Anyway, I wonder what it would take to acquire Bogosian from Winnipeg? He isn't a #1 guy, but he is a solid #3/4 and maybe even a #2 on this team. He is pretty big and right handed, which I think is very important. I would be willing to part with Kindl, Andersson pick and prospect(s) for him and Ladd. Let's just say, Kindl, Andersson, Almqvist, Ferraro our 1st. For Ladd and Bogo. I am going to go with Franzen being healthy, so I will show him on my roster, if he is not, then that is more money to play with. I will re-sign Glendening but start him in GR along with Jurco because they can safely start there without losing them, and they will get call ups all season long. I then sign Brad Boyes, Tim Thomas and Matt Niskanen via UFA to round out my roster. Zetterberg ($6M) - Datsyuk ($7.5M) - Franzen ($3.9M) Ladd ($4.4M) - Weiss ($4.9M) - Boyes ($2.5M) Miller ($1.3M) - Helm ($2.1M) - Abdelkader ($1.8M) Nyquist ($950) - Sheahan ($1.1) - Tatar ($1.1) Callahan ($950) Kronwall ($4.7M) - Ericsson ($4.2M) Bogosian ($5.1M) - Niskanin ($4.1M) Smith ($1.2M) - Dekeyser ($2.5M) Lashoff ($725) Howard ($5.2M) Thomas ($2.5M) Giving them roughly $1.2M for callups...if Franzen retires add his $3.9M to that and bring up Jurco for the season...

That is it...this guy obviously cannot get his head healthy. He needs to hang em up. Either that or LTIR for the rest of the season and re-evaluate this summer. If he cannot play, he cannot play. No use in taking up a valuable roster spot and $3.9M that can go towards making this team better. He is done, head is gone. If he gets another hard hit, he may be scrambled eggs. Retire Franzen...call it. Lets move on... ...guess they will recall Sammy now?

Hopefully Holland and Babcock do the right thing and play the right people. Its too bad that these kids have exemptions left in them because that is the only reason they will be returned to GR. When all healthy, this is what your roster SHOULD look like (without trading anyone) Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Franzen Abdelkader - Weiss - Alfredsson Nyquist - Helm - Tatar Miller - Sheahan - Eaves Andersson unfortunately it will be: Z -D - Franz Cleary - Weiss - Alfie Nyquist - Helm - Bertuzzi Miller - Andersson - Abdelkader Tatar/Eaves ...which would put them $1.1M OVER the cap, so they would have to send Eaves back down and his $1.2M. So they would have this crappy lineup and only $100,000 in cap space.

it's my belief that this off season Holland NEEDS to show he has a set or his fine standing reputation in this organization will start its downward spiral...

if that is all it took, I would be super happy! But since Philly was willing to give up 4 first round picks for him when the signed the RFA contract, it just may take more... Kindl, Almqvist, Andersson, Nyquist our 1st in 2014. If that was the price, I would still do it. ...although I am liking Nyquist, but it would take a HIGH prospect for sure and if I am keeping two of Jurco, Tatar or Nyquist...sorry Nyq. although this type of deal may pee off the remaining Swede's. Waive Sammy, trade Almqvist, Nyquist AND Andersson? wow, Henrik wouldn't be too happy with Kenny...

Something ain't right in Hockeytown? reminds me of Aerosmith..."Something's right with the world today and everybody thinks it's wrong..."

exactly my point, they're hurt, so they are out. Makes sense, but they WON'T be out of the Olympics. If their #1 priority is the Wings, they should also sit out the Olympics to make sure they get healthier in order to help their #1 priority. But, as I mentioned, for most Europeans, the National Team IS their #1 priority everyday of the week and twice on Sunday...

now that I look at it, it's actually from October. But hey, if they were mentioning it at the start of the season, just think how much they may entertain the idea now!!! Preds are bottom dwelling the NHL and with the return Weber could bring, they could have a nice group of players/picks to start that climb back up. They could re-build their D around Jones... I am just saying, if Nashville is selling, I hope Holland is the buyer!

Bet they don't sit out ANY Olympic games due to not wanting to risk their health so they can return to the Wings as soon as the Olympics are over. Fact is, in the NHL they still get paid when injured, if they're injured for the Olympics they cannot play... If Z and Pav were injured enough to sit out NHL games so to not get even more injured, they too would opt out of the Olympics to not get injured further. Especially if what you said is true of them seeing the success of the Wings as more important than the Olympics...yet, they are sitting out now and playing in the Olympics...what if they get injured in the Olympics? No biggie, they'll just sit out more NHL games and collect their paycheck... ...lets not derail this thread though. I understand your point, but you have to see the skeptical person's point as well. IF the Wings are more important, sit out the Olympics and get healthy. But, they aren't.

just wanted to get it written down...Nashville trading Weber is already being tossed around the media, why not Detroit? http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/53972-should-preds-trade-shea-weber-the-answer-may-surprise-you.html

I prefer Sheahan, but as stated Andersson has to clear waivers to be sent down. Although I have no problem packaging Andersson in a deal on draft day for something we REALLY need... Sheahan will be here next season no matter what (unless he is traded, but that would be dumb.) so there are decisions to be made, to say the least!