LeftWinger

I agree with all of you, but the debate was/is that Franzen is a great player when it comes to his cap hit. In all reality though, he is not. When he scores, he is good, but that is all he does. He does nothing else to help this team. So when he goes a month without scoring he is absolutely useless to this team. I agree that all players from Crosby to McMullinski go through streaks without scoring, but no one, and I mean NO ONE is inconsistent as Franzen, even players who are consistently bad are at least consistent in that regard. The question was do you think Franzen should be bought out. I put yes, but only because I think Franzen should be off this team any which way they can get rid of him. It's time to change, I/We have put up with this lazy, inconsistent guy since he signed his "serious contract." It's just time to get rid of him...

Well, because Franzen plays smaller than any of those guys you mentioned...

Hmmmmm..... $5M is a lot to pay, but if he can make our powerplay better and can score here more than the Isle... He is a left hand shot though.

I don't like Q, but he is MUCH younger than Streit and I am not so sure Streit is going to come here to be the 6/7 defenseman...being 35, I wonder what he is looking for in a contract....

....again, without the team Franzen has played on, he is not in the NHL. Without Dats and Z, Franzen is nothing, besides, if I am cherry picking years, then what are you doing? Franzen has had a whole 1 more season than Dupuis with 20+ goals. The year he scored 34 is the year that they had Hossa as well, along with Norris Nick, Brad Stuart & Brian Rafalski....talk about a stacked team... Franzen slappies are funny.... edit: Frankly, where has this team gone since 2009 WITH Franzen? When it becomes stale, it doesn't matter how many goals he scores in a 10 game spurt (then disappear for a month) it's time for a change. Franzen is going to get tossed around in the East. This team needs change to take it to the next level. If Franzen was any good anymore, Chicago would be watching him play against LA. Up 3 games to 1 and Franzen is a playoff no-show (again) and we lose the series.

speaking of the 2013 off season, the June 1st, 2013 deadline came and went to sign prospects Alan Quine and Philippe Hudon. They can re-enter the draft if they want. I find it kind of strange that they didn't sign Quine. He currently sits rank #19 in their top 20 prospects...

I am sticking with these guys. If ANY one of them are available, I hope we take him! If McCarron is around in the 2nd, he is a no brainer, but even if he falls to the 2nd, I really don't think he will be there when we pick our 2nd. Also Facshing would also be great! If somehow we came out of the first 3 rounds with any of the bolded in the 1st then McCarron and Facshing, I would be a VERY happy camper. In the 1st round, that Zykov kid is really peaking my interest 6'0" 210lbs with more to grow is a very solid Russian player. PLUS he is a right handed shot. I could see him making the big club pretty quickly and to have him on Datsyuks right wing may be a pleasure to watch!

This would be a great team, eh? Although I stopped enjoying it when I saw Franzen on this roster...he doesn't even belong on the current Wings roster, let alone a star studded one... I certainly hope you are wrong...Cleary has to go for sure. Also I don't think Andersson and Nyquist top $1M and do you honestly think that Kindl and Smith will get $2.2M? I see them getting $1.2M at the most....

Cool....last year when there was no camp, we were in Traverse City for a get a way and just happened to be staying at the hotel that the Wild and Stars always stay. The AmericINN. Nice place. They have jersey's in the lobby signed by all the players that come there....

Ryan Suter...... I too would take a stab at Malone if he became available....

Not necessarily, Holland has traded his 1st round to teams before for their 2nd rounders... The year he drafted Ferraro, he traded his 1st round pick to Tampa I do believe for the 32nd pick. It has been done...and again in 2011 to trade down to draft Jurco... sidenote: That 2011 2nd round could be a huge one for Detroit, they drafted Jurco, Sproul and Ouellet in that ONE round.

I think if Holland makes the right moves draft day, he can get himself TWO top 6 forwards...

This has got to be the most rose colored post I have read in a while! So if Dupuis - Crosby = Average player 2nd or 3rd liner.....then WTF does that make Franzen - Datsyuk & Zetterberg? Holey crap! Dastyuk and Zetterberg created playoff Franzen! If he didn't have those two he may not even be on this team, let alone a 3rd liner.... You say we are blinded by stats, but you are blinded by the Winged Wheel. Besides, isn't this argument about how good Franzen's STATS are for his cap hit?!?! I may be wrong, but I though that is the argument, his stats are great for his low cap hit....which his stats aren't that great anyhow...but whatever makes you sleep at night. Am I blind or is Franzen not playing in the playoffs right now? If he was so great he would have put at least one goal in games 6 or 7 on the PP or something to eliminate the Hawks... Give me Dupuis on Datsyuk's line 100 times over Franzen...

Yet, he just scored 20 in 48 games which had him on pace for 34 in 82 games... The question wasn't who can score 30 goals (because Franzen cannot even do that.) The question was show them someone who could replace Franzen's goals that is not on a EL contract and is available this July.... Pascal Dupuis....and he only makes $1.5M.

The NHL doesn't care about how good the team is, it cares about how much revenue it can bring in. When you say "parity" do you think they are talking about the competition? No. They are talking about revenue and salary parity. The NHL wanted a cap so the Detroit's of the league can not sign all the big names anymore. They wanted the smaller markets to be the only ones who can sign the big names so they can generate more revenue with those names. Why do you think Minnesota was able to sign the Olsen Twins over the summer? Do you think for a minute that id there was no salary cap that those guys would have gone to Minnesota? You make it so the successful franchises cannot sign the big names, now the small markets get to give them $14M a year and people buy the Parise and Suter jersey's. But when it comes down to it, the team is so mismanaged that they still aren't as good as the same top 6 teams that are always there. Now Minnesota is probably going to be forced to buyout a top player and all of a sudden the team isn't even as good as it was this past season. If we had league parity on a talent scale, then there would be different teams in the final 4 every year. (at least more than there is now.) But no, the 5 remaining teams where the last 5 Stanley Cup winners. It's all about generating a couple years of profits in a city, its not about winning. At least to the NHL. To the fans, once they realize their team still sucks, even with the superstar on their team, they stop going to the games...especially in places like Nashville, Florida, Phoenix and Carolina. You see how well it did for the Preds when they signed Weber to that huge contract... Sure, fans will go for a couple of seasons to see if the teams gets better around Weber, but it won't and they will stop coming....again.

Pascal Dupuis....end of story. Pascal Dupuis....end of story.

Edmonton? Are you listening? How about another #1?

Sounds good to me! I never have like Q, so I won't be heartbroken if he isn't here! Plus I am all for the rebirth of the Red Wings as well!

Flip had potential in 2008, which is why Holland would not trade him for Fedorov...Flip has topped out and considering where his potential went, I think given that trade opportunity again, Fedorov retires a Red Wing...(and most likely wins back 2 back titles 08-09) Also, we can stop with the "if we can see the 70 point Flip again..." nonsense. That is getting just as annoying as the "Playoff Franzen" crap. Neither are making a re-appearance so lets move on. Hell, we may never see 90 point Datsyuk again either...especially with Abby and Franzen on his line.

Boston for my obvious hatred for s***sburgh and s***cago, and of course no back 2 back unless its Detroit. Not just for the feel good factor after the bombings, but it would be a great story considering they were less than a minute away from being eliminated in the first round and to come all the way back and win the Cup would be a super story!

Looking at the draft order, Dallas (#10 overall) won't be trading their 1st to us for Franz and Q, so I take that trade back. I do agree that a pending UFA won't garner a 1st in the off season either, so I take that back. BUT I still trade those three guys, just not for as much as I first expected...

I am not so sure that Q will be let go after next season. I guess it all depends on Cola and how he plays and stays healthy. I am not so sure that both Q and Cola walk, that leaves two spots to fill. I am all for not having Q on this team, but I am also not so sure that with all the rookies this past season on D, that Holland will feel comfortable in another year having two more unproven rookies on D again. I think if Q does not get traded that, unless Holland has another player on his mind, he re-signs here again and Cola leaves... Kronwall - Ericsson Dekeyser - Quincey Smith - Kindl Lashoff (with appearances by Sproul) That will be your 7 defenders the year after next. Of course, barring trade's. I said in another thread that Q would be the most likely traded from the D, but if not him, then Kindl...but I really think Holland is happy with his D and probably won't touch it unless its a deal he cannot refuse...

Like someone else stated, we don't need goaltending. We have Mrazek, Patterson and now Coreau. After next season when Monster is gone, either Mrazek or Coreau will be Jimmy's back up. The other will be in GRR with Patterson. Considering your other trade components, I don't think Lashoff needs a change of scenery, he will be a Detroit Red Wing come October... I am, on the other hand, all for trading Q. He played pretty well down the stretch, but if you are looking to better your team and the team you are dealing with needs a defenseman, then Q is the logical choice to trade. BUT, you have to remember, we are moving East next season into the same division as Buffalo, so I highly doubt there will be any deals between those two teams... As of now, our D looks like this: Kronner, Big E Diesel, Q Fire, Laser Cola, Smitty ...now, that is one too many, so you never know if one of those will be involved in a trade. Like I said, Q will be the most obvious choice given his experience in the NHL. Maybe, someone wants Kindl, but I think he really grew up the last week of the season and through the playoffs. Plus he won't cost too much to re-sign either. I guess you could trade Q for a pick, but you aren't going to be getting your 1st rounder back that is a guarantee! Look for new trade partners this off season for sure!

You are preaching to the Choir here. I am all for getting bigger along with more offense. Franzen plays like he is 5'4.

Yes, I also put my trust in management, trust them to find more scoring.... They were one game away from the WCF, but in reality, and PP goal here and there and they beat Chicago 4 games to 2.... They need more offense than Val and Johan provided...