LeftWinger

So why am I not seeing this Logo/City on the front of these jerseys? Am I missing something?

Funny, when the Wings were the Best in the West and Better than All The Rest, Bettman would have no talk of the Wings moving East. Now that the Eastern teams seem to be better than the Western teams and the Wings in a rebuild, he is all about them being moved to a conference to where they will get their assess kicked and probably miss the playoffs 10 years in a row... Your hatred for Detroit has grown tiresome Gary, dont let me see you walking down the street alone!

I have said this all along, Mursak is done as a Red Wing. Too much young talent ready for the NHL, no room for him. He will, when he signs somewhere else as a RFA this off season...I will take whatever draft pick compensation we receive for him. Good luck in your career...

This thread needs to be either renamed or deleted because it is an insult to Tatar to be called Hudler....I have dirty socks that are better than Hudler.

See how much better this team is without Quincey? Bench him and Franzen permanently...the Kids are way better.

I am all for that as long as I can trust Holland to draft correctly...which I don't quite yet. He did fine last draft, but his history thus far hasn't proven to me that he can rebuild a team yet. If we get a top 20 and Ryan Pulock is sitting there and he takes him, then I am ready to put my faith in Holland rebuilding this team. If trading Filppula would get you another 1st round pick from a Cup contender then that would be great. As long as Holland kept that pick and didn't waste it on a hunk of junk player like Quincey. If this draft is so loaded, lets trade both Fraznine and Filppula for even more 1st round picks. That would be fine by me, because I do agree that Andersson and Tatar are ready to make the step up next season full time, and I also think that Sheahan and Ferraro could be rotating the #12 spot next year as well... We still need that top line defender though, so how you think we address that without sacrificing our 1st rounder this year? Holland has already shown that he would throw a 1st rounder away for scraps... edit: and that 1st rounder that was wasted for Q? I would have much rather Holland kept it a drafted Olli Maata.

Yes he is off pace from last season, but so is everyone not names Zetterberg or Datsyuk. Filppula is coming off a career best 66 points in 81 games, and you are saying all he would get us in return is a middle of the road depth player or a mediocre prospect? Really? So lets say trading Filppula for Jordin Tootoo would have been an even swap? Or lets say we trade Filpulla for TJ Hensick? Gimme a break guys, you really under value Val right about now. I am not saying you could get Shea Weber for him, but he has more value than a mediocre prospect...expecially if you package Tatar and our 1st rounder which seems like it may be a top 15 the more I watch this team...maybe even a top 10. No matter how you slice it, Val and Johan are the two most tradeable assets this team has. You are not going to see Smith traded or Helm. Abdelkader is a slight possibilty but he plays his role fine here and enjoys it. I can see Abby being a Red Wing until he retires. So if you guys don't think we can get anything of value for Flip or Franzine, then we may as well start tanking the next 5 season so we can get those top 5 picks for the next 5 years in a row... Nyquist is perhaps our #1 prospect, maybe he just doesn't fit in Detroit too well. Filppula would be an asset to someone (espcially Anaheim) and if the Wings fail to make the playoffs that 1st round pick would be a top 15. Filppula is a playmaker, not a scorer. He has hands, yes, but he is primarily a playmaker, that is why he has not turned into a prolific scorer playing with Datsyuk. If Filppula played with Selanne on his wing, you would see Fil's point total improve by at least 50% if not more. He can be a great #1 or #2 center for another team, and he has value. He just has nowhere to be a center here, not with Dats, Z and Helm. Fil is far too good to be a #4 center. Besides, I just threw Nyquist in there, lets say it was Tatar (which I dont think Holland would part with) but whatever. So who would you think it would cost to get us a top d-man here? Don't just come here and bash someone's thoughts, tell us what makes more sense, because standing pat on our D right now makes NO sense what-so-ever...

Honestly man, I don't even include Mursak in any of the future plans. I think if he re-signs a contract he will spend most his time in GR. It is best to incorporate him in a deal or sign him in the off season and trade him. I just hope he doesn't go for arbitration then we are stuck with him for a least a year. At this point, he would be just taking up a roster spot that would be filled by a better player from GR....

YAY! A thread for ME!!!!! I maintain that Filppula is one of our only tradeable assets... Not that Anaheim would do it now (would have been more doable last summer) but Filppula+ for Bobby Ryan would make both clubs better... But, since the glaring need on Detroit is obvious defense (although a scorer would be nice) so if he were to be traded, it would probably be a package for a legit top defender. I know he is a UFA upcoming, but those are usually the ones that get traded as long as the team that acquires him feels they have a great shot at re-signing him. I just happen to think that Filppula and Selanne would be lights out. I also think that Ryan on Dats wing would become a 40 goal scorer. I also believe that if Ryan gets traded here and really likes it, it could help us in trying to get Corey Perry this off season. Ryan - Datsyuk - Perry That top line would dominate the NHL. I think Ryan's salary would wash Fil, because I honestly believe that Fil will get around $5M as a UFA. Perry could possibly be had for $7.5M-ish. I also maintain that Frazine would be a perect fit with the Sedins in Vancouver and would more than likely rediscover his 30+ goal scoring self out there. In return for a Franzine+ package, I would expect someone of Alexadre Burrows in return. Who is the exact kind of player that we need here as well. He would fit in perfectly on Z's line with Brunner. Burrows - Zetterberg - Brunner Although Burrows isn't a sniper, but I think he would thrive just as good with Z as he is in Vancouver and like I said, I think Franzine would get even better (and have more fun?) playing with the Sedin's...reinvent his career maybe... Of course like I said, I would expect if Holland did trade one of these guys, it will more than likely be for a top tier defender since that is our teams glaring need right now...Although I think if he could get a hold of Visnovsky, that may help a bit this season or possibly sign Douglas Murray in the off season to fill that top 2 role. I do think Filppula is a very tradeable asset. He shows flashes of greatness and would probably take over for Datsyuk, if Dats indeed retires after next season, but honestly, if Holland got Datsyuk a couple of players like Perry and Ryan, he just may stick around a bit longer after next year. Helm is our #3 center and Andersson will be #4. So although Filppula is good his role as a winger is easily replaced by one of kids coming up. If we package Filppula with a prospect/pick, what kind of defenseman do you see coming here in return? I know he's have to be a #1/2 guy, but who out there fits that bill and would garner such a price of lets say Filppula/Nyquist/1st Round Pick?

I think with McKee back there, Kronwall may grow a backbone again...

Maybe at the risk of losing Miller or Eaves or sending Andersson back to GR...but I think Andersson is starting to find his way now and besides, I really don't think Babs would play him too often...IMO

If anyone can justify Franzine earning his $3.9M with his lazy lackluster play...then Tootoo more than earns his $1.9M pay. He was brought in for a reason, a role, he is filling it perfectly and giving 110% every night, night after night... I hope he signs another contract after this one.... Let me ask all of you Tootoo doubters...do you think Kronwall is earning his contract right now? How about Quincey? Sammy? White? Cola? I think if anyone is earning his money, its Tootoo for sure!

Honestly, I don't care if he ever plays another game this year and hope he gets bought out next year... That line combo would be very interesting to watch! Then you could have Dats-Z-Brunner back together... Dats-Z-Brun Tart-Fil-Nys Cleary-Helm-Bert Tootoo-Andersson-Abby Miller/Eaves Not a bad healthy lineup on paper... On topic though, I think Holland and Co. should just wash their hands to Sammy...they did it to Hatcher and they did it to Modano. Sometimes, things just don't work out....sorry Sammy, just business...

While I hope he doesn't top $5M per...I definitely don't see him at less than $3M. That is just poop talk. If he gets $3.5M - $4M that would be great, because if Holland does the right thing and buys out Bert and Sammy, trades Q there is plenty of cap room to re-sign Brunner, Smith, Lashoff, Filppula and Andersson along with courting a Sniper for $7M+ and another D-Man (Douglas Murray) for $4M+... Even if Howard got $4.5M that would all still work.

That was on toipic....Red Wings Future... Ouellet, Sproul, McKee... I also can't wait for Sheahan to come up permanantly... I really look forward to seeing the entire 2012 draft class. There really isn't one pick that I am dissatisfied with... Frk, Athanasiou, McKee, DeHaas, Bodin & Paterson. With McCoullum losing ground, M-Raz set to be in Detroit in a couple of season's, Jake Paterson was a great pick to keep GR on the map. Can't say enough about Martin Frk and Andreas Anthansiou they bring much needed elements that the Wings are missing (or currently wasting time expecting some guys here to fill) and I hope to see those two guys sooner than later. James DeHaas just happens to be one of the best young D-men prospects right now, he is already 6-2 and 197lbs. I expect him to top 210lbs before he makes the jump to the NHL (and he will.) What can you say about MIke McKee? Huge, mean, snarly, enforcer, "Don't f*** with my teammates" d-man! I do think that Bodin is going to be one of those black-sheep picks that everyone says how much of a genius Holland can be. Let's just hope he learns to use that huge bodyto his advantage! Looking in the nearer future, I am excited to see players like Jarnkrok and Jurco make a splash. If you look over the top 10 prospects we have, excluding M-Raz and Andersson who are already NHL ready, there isn't one person that I am not excited for! I just hope they get their shots soon! Which means dumping some folks soon. They say that Ferraro is starting to turn that corner and rounding out to be a legit NHL prospect...bring him on! I will take Sheahan and Ferraro as soon as next season!

"...not much going on today, kids are in school, laundry is done, garbage is out....there is a good movie on AMC I haven't seen in a long time. I think I will just stay in the sweat pants and Franzen around the house all day..."

screw Kindl and Q.... If we traded Kronwall... Ericsson - Smith Lashoff - Sproul Ouellet - McKee I still would love Dekeyser here as well!

Dude, they weren't doing any better with Bert, Franzine and Smith in the lineup...Only Helm is the one we miss. The couple of games Sammy played he was slow as tar. It's not like they were tearing the league up with Franzine playing...this is actually a better team with Tatar, Andersson and Nyquist, than with Bertuzzi, Sammy and Franzine... Let Holland hide in his office until all are healthy....he won't make a deal now or ever because "PLayer X is our deadline acquisition..." and when they continue to stink and miss or barely make the playoffs only to lose in the 1st round, they'll get a nice 1st round pick only to trade it for a garbage player or waste in on Haken Looben while Ryan Pulock is sitting right there at #17...God forbid Holland gets a shot at Seth Jones and picks Hok Ptew instead....My jugular vein may explode!!

I think Holland is looking for a new way to circumvent the CBA in order to give Cleary $7M a season...

Yes, I do believe that fits. Kronwall has be Kronwalled in his head....

"Franzen, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Quincey, Kindl....it's the way of the future....the way of the future....the way of the future..." Holland best get this team turned around with some sort of shakeup....hell, if you cannot trade players, sit them, bench them, dress them then sit them on the bench the entire game....for f***s sake Holland, get a move on! I want to wake up in the morning and read "Wings trade Filppula + for _________ in a blockbuster deal!"

I just wonder if Babcock is told to follow protocol and play the vets first over the rookies...I know he loves Cleary, and that is fine, but everyone is watching the same game here....Tatar is far superior to Cleary...he deserves top minutes. It just seems like Holland tells Babcock who and where to play them... Tatar, Andersson, Nyquist and Sheahan should ALL be here... playing heavy minutes... In that case, he is screwed then...as are we. I guess he is locked in his office counting turns of a milk carton top....because if he knew what kind of team he had then, and they are underperforming even moreso, he still has yet to get something done...maybe he has tried, maybe nobody wants any of our players not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg....

Next game line combos please: Fil - Dats - Tatar Tootoo - Zetterberg - Brunner Miller - Andersson - Abby Eaves - Emmerton - Cleary PLEASE!!! Babcock, get you head out of your ass!!!!!!!!1111

Nothing is going to happen....Holland will NEVER trade what he feels are his best players...Fil or Franzen. He will never admit to the mistake he made keeping Franzine or acquiring Quincey. There will be no trades, except maybe a mid-level prospect for an over the hill player... Holland is in a pickle...he has to know how bad this team is, even without injuries...but does he really? Does he really think that when healthy that this is an actual Stanley Cup contender? a Playoff team? I just think that Holland's string is coming unraveled and he is playing Howard Hughes in his office at the Joe...he just keeps saying, "Franzen, he's the way of the future...he's the way of the future...he's the way of the future..."

Ya, Kronwalled is there too....