LeftWinger

Yuck... besides Cola is here for two years and White is a UFA this off season...I understand you are going by not signing anyone or trading for anyone, BUT this team is hot garbage and they need to trade a few commodities in order to tunr this around ALONG WITH bringing up some kids... Trade Franzen, Filppula, Quincey, Emmerton and Kindl this year. Buy out Sammy/Bertuzzi next year, let Cleary, Mursak, Miller and White walk in the off season. Which kids come up all depends on what you get in return for the trades... If I had my way and Anaheim/Vancouver would agree to a trade it would look like this: Bobby Ryan - Datsyuk - Corey Perry Alex Burrows - Z - Brunner Abby - Helm - Tootoo Eaves - Jarnkrok - Sheahan Kronwall - Douglas Murray Smith - Ericsson Lashoff - Dekeyser Huskins then whoever makes the 13th/14th forward is up to the kids to win it...

This is what is funny: "Wings were tired from back to back games..." Really? Thats your excuse? Go back 24 hours, Wings just beat the Blues and eveyone was saying how great the Wings played and how the out hustled and out worked St. Louis... Think about that....Wings beat the Blues (after Blues played the night before) and the Wings are great, the Blues don't get the luxory of the same excuse of being tired....Jackets beat the Wings (after Wings played the night before) and the Wings were tired, there's no way the Wings played crappy enough to lose to the Jackets, right? Hogwash! The Wings BARELY beat the Jackets last time! This team is in serious trouble....The only reason the Wings beat the Blues is because of a phantom 5:00 major to Backes...sure they payed better than game 1, but this team is gong nowhere adn nowhere fast. Someone above mentioned trading Flip, he IS one of our only tradeable assets that could garner us a good return...We have the upper hand in trading him to Anaheim due to his relationship with Selanne. If indeed, Bobby Ryan is on the outs then make a deal! Package some things together, get Ryan here to play with Datsyuk. I like Flip, but this team looks MUCH better with Ryan on Dats wing instead of Flip, who would look great centering Selanne...it's a win win for both teams! Ryan - Dats - Bert then in the off season go hard of Corey Perry! Or hell, come up with a blockbuster that gets you BOTH Perry and Ryan now....it's time for a change in Detroit, this sorry old team isn't going to get it done...

The Blues should be LIVID! If Detroit got screwed like that, this forum would be lit up with conspiracy and cheating and Bettman... They Blues lost two valuable points with that non-penalty. I like to win, but don't like to be handed the win ala Pitt in 2009. You and I have had our differences in the past, but this is dead on. If the Wings go screwed that way, we all would be calling for somone's head! I do agree with the NO goon hockey too. I wish upon wishes that we had more players like Backes on this team....too bad for your loss, but I am sure you will make it up this season while Detroit continues to play like the local squirt team in town....

Like I said before, Babcock should sit Cleary and make the 4th line Miller - Emmy - Eaves. Then have the 3rd line Abby-Helm-Tootoo....

Mursak is done here and Tatar/Nyquist will be/should be trade bait.

Dump E, Q and Kindl before next season. Give Lashoff his job, sign DeKeyser, re-sign Huskins and go after a top pairing guy.

Increases his trade value.... Honestly though, if this wasnt stuck with Sammy and Cleary, I think Emmy would make a solid 4th center with Eaves and Miller. That would make our third line Abby-Helm-Tootoo.

I think if.McCollum takes a poop, forget getting a goalie, just bring up M-Raz...he could possibly steal Jimmy's job.. Yes that is my nickname for him M-Raz.

Wtf, is Helm a china doll now?

basically if Seattle gets one and another Western/Mid Canada team, then Detroit/Columbus and Nashville can go East....If just Seattle and then Quebec, still Detroit and Columbus can go East so I am all for it... Just hope that they don't put two new teams East....

Whatever gets Detroit in the East is fine with me...

I am not sure if this statement is a joke or if you are serious...

Nah...we can't use a player like Tootoo, he will bring nothing to this team..... There is still room on the train guys, hop aboard!

you are only couting the NCAA though...of all the players taken, Like the CHL had 112 sure, but the USA Leagues had 57 drafted, yes only 9 of which were NCAA, which means our U18 player developement is getting better and better and is really, not that far behind the CHL teens... In the end it's not about quantity, but quality and you can draft 120 CHL players where 40 may get some NHL time, but of those 57 USA program kids, you may get 25 with some NHL time, because they only take the best of the best from our leagues and more from the CHL, yes because the CHL is deeper so there is more to choose from...I am not saying either is greater than the other, I am just proud (being a part of USA Hockey myself as a coach) that USA Hockey is developing better and better each year, and it won't be long until USA Hockey has it's own #1 overall.....oh wait. LOL!

Funny how just two season's ago, Dallas ditched the all time leader in pretty everything and pretty much Captain America in Mike Modano because they wanted to go with a youth movement only to sign Jagr and Ray Whitney this off season....Hmmmm.....

Ok, and I said just a few minutes ago that when he re-signed, I may have been like, whatever and actaully that is what it looks like I said. I also said if he becomes one of our top 4 if will ok, but NEVER did I say "Oh boy I like this signing! Go Kyle Go!..." Just because I said, blah, whatever, if he works out then fine, doesn't mean I like the signing nor does it mean I think he should have been signed and if you look before the actual signing I was dead set against signing him, unless is was on the cheap... I think I may have said $3.5 at the VERY most only because Holland is Holland... keep digging, you'll never find a post where I wasever happy or jumping up and down about Quincey or Kindl....

That is fine. I was just trying to say I was questioning the re-signing of Q. I understand it was a business deal and since Holland did blow a 1st on him, I am sure he is going to give him every chance in the world to become that player...and you are probably right, he probably didn't get many if any offers from other teams...I think arbitration is BS, it just forces the teams hand into siging you are cutting you. Buy, hey, I guess that is why they are Restricted and not Unrestricted... I do agree with the business aspect. Both he and Big E were given big money (for their level of play) and Holland is going to give them every chance....I just don't agree with the re-signings to begin with....

Honestly, I would LOVE nothing more than for those two (and Q) to prove me wrong and become a force with this team. Why wouldn't I want it? Heck, we already own them, if they became stars, that is great! But I have been watching them far too long....I know better.

I questioned the RE-SIGNING of Quincey...not the trade back then. Back then the trade seemed fine since he was a pretty good young defenseman, but when he took a dump here, he became more valuable to let go and receive a couple of picks in return.... If you read the post you above, I said Quincey should have never be RE-SIGNED and Kindl never drafted... Get yer head out of your ass and wipe your eyes... and even you can admit that Q has turned out to be a waste of a 1st round pick. So if anyone is interested, and I doubt they are, find a quote of mine where I EVER supported the Quincey re-signing, especially at $3.75M. I may have said, ok, whatever when they signed him, but I never liked it nor will I ever. I was willing to give him a chance sure, but he is playing worse than he did last season when he came over...if he had re-signed at less than $3M....I still wouldn't like it, but I could swallow it better...him and E are the worst defenders making $3M or more...and Kindl will never crack the top 6. I knew that day 1, day ONE...if you want to go back to a 2005 draft thread I am sure you will find how muchI voiced my displeasure... edit: Oh, and enough with your trying to pretend you are happy with this team. If you are happy with this team, I seriously question your judge of talent...

Meh, the celebration doesn't bother me...at least is was a celebration of pure exitement, not someone like this: although I get the "hot stick" referrence, it's a bit more over the top than Nail's.... Speaking of Oilers....not too bad so far this season and Justin Schultz has 5 points...that's only 2 points less than or entire D corps...it's early, but I think he will be a star and Edmonton will NOT get the #1 again...or 10.

The Olsen Twins record against the team they thumbed his nose at... Sergei Fedorov....yes, even at 43 years old...this one is true Pete Rose's tab in Vegas... Mike Vick's subscription with the ASPCA magazine... Bill Clinton's deal with Cubana Cigars... George Bush's Cabinet... Penn State's ability to recruit young men... BILLY BEER!

As long as Kindl and Franzen are on this team, we lose more than we win.... Stars 5-2... (4 PP goals)

Kindl Should have never been drafted, I have hated it from day 1.... Quincey was a waste of a solid 1st round draft pick and should have been let alone to sign somewhere else as an RFA, and we should have claimed whatever draft picks we would have received.... Kindl should be dealt either in a package or just for a pick, sames goes for Quincey. These are two transactions that I seriously question what the hell Holland was thinking. Lashoff and Huskins are playing way too solid to let Kindl come in, and Quincey is just taking up space until White gets back...of course Ericsson is just as enept as Quincey... IMO, Big E, Quincey and Kindl should all hit the dusty trail once our D is healed. I just wish Holland would pull his head out of his ass! on a side note, I know arm-chair GM's are a dime a dozen, and if we really could do the job, we'd have the job, blah blah, but just because a lot of us don't have the credentials to land a NHL GM job, doesn't mean you or I don't know how to judge NHL talent. If I had gone to College for whatever I had to in order to land a GM job, I guarantee I couldn't do too much worse than a few guys already in that job....and I don't even own a copy of NHL13 or 12 or 11 or 10, etc.....never owned one...I believe a good 25% (at least) of this forum alone are a better judge of NHL talent than Ken Holland or his scouts...and that is a serious statement....

NHL.COM just went through each draft year from 1979 and sorted by "Amateur League" http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?page=DraftSearch&position=All&round=All&service=page&sort=amateurLeague&supl=N&team=All&year=2012

Getting a shave at Todd's Barber Shop and hearing in the background...."Figaro, Figaro, Figaro!"