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Ok, and I said just a few minutes ago that when he re-signed, I may have been like, whatever and actaully that is what it looks like I said. I also said if he becomes one of our top 4 if will ok, but NEVER did I say "Oh boy I like this signing! Go Kyle Go!..." Just because I said, blah, whatever, if he works out then fine, doesn't mean I like the signing nor does it mean I think he should have been signed and if you look before the actual signing I was dead set against signing him, unless is was on the cheap... I think I may have said $3.5 at the VERY most only because Holland is Holland... keep digging, you'll never find a post where I wasever happy or jumping up and down about Quincey or Kindl....

That is fine. I was just trying to say I was questioning the re-signing of Q. I understand it was a business deal and since Holland did blow a 1st on him, I am sure he is going to give him every chance in the world to become that player...and you are probably right, he probably didn't get many if any offers from other teams...I think arbitration is BS, it just forces the teams hand into siging you are cutting you. Buy, hey, I guess that is why they are Restricted and not Unrestricted... I do agree with the business aspect. Both he and Big E were given big money (for their level of play) and Holland is going to give them every chance....I just don't agree with the re-signings to begin with....

Honestly, I would LOVE nothing more than for those two (and Q) to prove me wrong and become a force with this team. Why wouldn't I want it? Heck, we already own them, if they became stars, that is great! But I have been watching them far too long....I know better.

I questioned the RE-SIGNING of Quincey...not the trade back then. Back then the trade seemed fine since he was a pretty good young defenseman, but when he took a dump here, he became more valuable to let go and receive a couple of picks in return.... If you read the post you above, I said Quincey should have never be RE-SIGNED and Kindl never drafted... Get yer head out of your ass and wipe your eyes... and even you can admit that Q has turned out to be a waste of a 1st round pick. So if anyone is interested, and I doubt they are, find a quote of mine where I EVER supported the Quincey re-signing, especially at $3.75M. I may have said, ok, whatever when they signed him, but I never liked it nor will I ever. I was willing to give him a chance sure, but he is playing worse than he did last season when he came over...if he had re-signed at less than $3M....I still wouldn't like it, but I could swallow it better...him and E are the worst defenders making $3M or more...and Kindl will never crack the top 6. I knew that day 1, day ONE...if you want to go back to a 2005 draft thread I am sure you will find how muchI voiced my displeasure... edit: Oh, and enough with your trying to pretend you are happy with this team. If you are happy with this team, I seriously question your judge of talent...

Meh, the celebration doesn't bother me...at least is was a celebration of pure exitement, not someone like this: although I get the "hot stick" referrence, it's a bit more over the top than Nail's.... Speaking of Oilers....not too bad so far this season and Justin Schultz has 5 points...that's only 2 points less than or entire D corps...it's early, but I think he will be a star and Edmonton will NOT get the #1 again...or 10.

The Olsen Twins record against the team they thumbed his nose at... Sergei Fedorov....yes, even at 43 years old...this one is true Pete Rose's tab in Vegas... Mike Vick's subscription with the ASPCA magazine... Bill Clinton's deal with Cubana Cigars... George Bush's Cabinet... Penn State's ability to recruit young men... BILLY BEER!

As long as Kindl and Franzen are on this team, we lose more than we win.... Stars 5-2... (4 PP goals)

Kindl Should have never been drafted, I have hated it from day 1.... Quincey was a waste of a solid 1st round draft pick and should have been let alone to sign somewhere else as an RFA, and we should have claimed whatever draft picks we would have received.... Kindl should be dealt either in a package or just for a pick, sames goes for Quincey. These are two transactions that I seriously question what the hell Holland was thinking. Lashoff and Huskins are playing way too solid to let Kindl come in, and Quincey is just taking up space until White gets back...of course Ericsson is just as enept as Quincey... IMO, Big E, Quincey and Kindl should all hit the dusty trail once our D is healed. I just wish Holland would pull his head out of his ass! on a side note, I know arm-chair GM's are a dime a dozen, and if we really could do the job, we'd have the job, blah blah, but just because a lot of us don't have the credentials to land a NHL GM job, doesn't mean you or I don't know how to judge NHL talent. If I had gone to College for whatever I had to in order to land a GM job, I guarantee I couldn't do too much worse than a few guys already in that job....and I don't even own a copy of NHL13 or 12 or 11 or 10, etc.....never owned one...I believe a good 25% (at least) of this forum alone are a better judge of NHL talent than Ken Holland or his scouts...and that is a serious statement....

NHL.COM just went through each draft year from 1979 and sorted by "Amateur League" http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftsearch.htm?page=DraftSearch&position=All&round=All&service=page&sort=amateurLeague&supl=N&team=All&year=2012

Getting a shave at Todd's Barber Shop and hearing in the background...."Figaro, Figaro, Figaro!"

No truth to that, but we all know he wouldn't give Franzen up for Stamkos even....Holland won't EVER get rid of Franzen.

OK.... NCAA/USA Hockey Stars: 1979: Mike Ramsey (NCAA) Dave Christian (NCAA) Neal Broten (NCAA) Glen Anderson (NCAA) 1980: Aaron Broten (NCAA) Jay Miller (NCAA) Craig Ludwig (NCAA) Steve Bozek (NCAA) Murray Eaves (NCAA) Dino Ciccarelli (OKC Stars) 1981: Chris Chelios (NCAA) Bruce Driver (NCAA) Tom Kurvers (NCAA) Bobby Carpenter (Mass. HS - St. Johns Prep) 1982: Phil Housley (Minn. HS Hockey - South St. Paul) Tony Granato (NY Hockey - Northwood Prep) Patrick Flately (NCAA) Kevin Dineen (NCAA) Kelly Miller (NCAA) 1983: Tom Barrasso (Mass - Acton-Boxboro HS) Kevin Stevens (Mass - Silver Lake HS) Brian Noonan (Mass - Archbishop Williams HS) Norm Lacombe (NCAA) Peter Taglianetti (NCAA) Frank Petriangelo (NCAA) Chris Terreri (NCAA) Gary Galley (NCAA) 1984: Eddie Olczyk - (US National Team) Ken Hodge (Mass HS - St. Johns Prep) Jeff Norton (Mass HS - Cushing Academy) Stephan Leach (Mass - Matignon HS) Mike Peluso (Minn HS - Greenway) Paul Broten (Minn - Roseau HS) Don Sweeney (N.H. - St. Paul HS) Kevin Miller (NCAA) Peter Douris (NCAA) Gary Suter (NCAA) 1985: Eric Weinrich (Maine - North Yarmouth Academy) Tim Sweeney (Mass - Weymouth North HS) Paul Stanton (Mass - Catholic Memorial HS) Tom Chorske (Minn - Plymouth Armstrong HS) Mike Ritcher (NY - Northwood Prep) Pat Joblonski (NAHL - Detroit Compuware) Craig Simpson (NCAA) Joe Nieuwendyk (NCAA) Hugh "Randy" McKay (NCAA) Aam Oates (NCAA) 1986: Brian Leetch (Conn. - Avon Old Farms HS) Tom Fitzgerald (Mass - Austin Prep.) Rob Stauber (Minn - Deluth Denfield HS) Joe Murphey (NCAA) Scott Young (NCAA Craig Janey (NCAA) Bob Corkum (NCAA) 1987: Joe Sacco (Mass - Medford HS) Ted Denato (Mass - Catholic Memorial HS) Shawn McEachern (Mass - Matignon HS) Damien Rhodes (Minn - Richfield HS) Jim Dowd (NJ - Brick Township HS) Brad Werenka (NCAA) Kip Miller (NCAA) Guy Hebert (NCAA) Garth Snow (RI - Mt. St. Charles HS) John Leclair (Vermont - Bellows Free Academy) 1988: Jeremy Roenick (Mass - Thayer Academy) Steve Heinze (Mass - Lawerence Academy) Tony Amonte (Mass - Thayer Academy) Marty Mcinnis (Mass - Milton Academy) David Sacco (Mass - Medford HS) Sean Hill (Minn - Deluth East HS) Jason Muzatti (NCAA) Adrian Plavsic (NCAA) Rob Blake (NCAA) Joe Juneau (NCAA) Shjon Podein (NCAA) Kevin Dahl (NCAA) Keith Carney (RI - Mt. St. Charles HS) 1989: Doug Zmolek (Minn - Rochester Marshall HS) Trent Klatt (Minn - Osseo HS) Aaron Miller (NAJHL) Scott Pellerin (NCAA) Jason Woolley (NCAA) Jim Cummins (NCAA) Allain Roy (NCAA) Dan Bylsma (NCAA) Dallas Drake (NCAA) Bill Guerin (NEJHL) Greg Johnson (USHL) 1990: Mike Dunham (Conn - Canterbury HS) Keith Tkachuk (Mass - Malden Cath. HS) Ian Moran (Mass - Belmont Hill HS) Eric Lecroix (Mass - Gov. Dummer Academy) Craig Johnson (Minn - Hill-Murray HS) Jeff Neilsen (Minn - Grand Rapids HS) Craig Conroy (NY - Northwood Prep) Bryan Smolinski (NCAA) Doug Weight (NCAA) Chris Tamer (NCAA) Ken Klee (NCAA) Steve Dubinski (NCAA) 1991: Brian Rolston (NAHL) Mike Knuble (NAHL/NCAA) Brian Holzinger (NAHL) (ALL NCAA) Scott Lachance Aaron Ward Sean Pronger Dave Karpa Steve Sheilds David Oliver Brian Savage 1992: Jim Carey (Mass - Cath. Mem. HS) Adrain Aucoin (NCAA) Rem Murray (NCAA) 1993: Mikhail Shtalenkov (IHL) Brad Norton (Mass HS - Cushing Academy) Mike Grier (Mass HS - St. Sebatian's) Jamie Langenbrunner (Minn - Cloquet HS) (ALL NCAA) Paul Kariya Jay Pandalfo Kevyn Adams Jamal Mayers Todd Marchant Hal Gill (Oklahoma - Nashoba HS) Landon Wilson (USHL) 1994: Chris Drury (Conn. - Fairfield Prep.) Radek Bonk (IHL) Matry Turco (Mass. Cambridge HS / NCAA) Tim Thomas (NCAA) Ryan Johnson (USHL) John Grahame (USHL) 1995: Peter Sykora (IHL) 1996: Dan Lacoture - (EJHL) Ruslan Salei (IHL) Tom Poti (Mass HS - Cushing Academy) (ALL NCAA) Erik Rasmussen Marty Reasoner Matt Cullen Mark Parish Craig MacDonald Brett Clark Dan Hinote Craig Adams 1997: Sergei Samsonov (IHL) (ALL NCAA) Ben Clymer Joe Corvo Mike York Ben Guite Antti Laaksonen Josh Langfeld (USHL) Scott Clemmensen (USHL) 1998: (ALL NCAA) Mike Van Ryn Steve Moore Joe Dipenta Erik Cole Brian Gionta Shawn Horcoff Rob Scuderi Kent Huskins Kent Sauer (USHL) Josh Blankburn (USHL) Tyler Arnason (USHL) 1999: Douglas Murray (EJHL) Patrik Stefan (IHL) Ryan Miller (NAHL/NCAA) (ALL NCAA) Jeff Jilson David Tanabe Mike Commodore Jordan Leopold Adam Hall Andrew Hutchinson Doug Janik Mike Comrie Fedor Fedorov (UHL) Ryan Malone (USHL/NCAA) Jeff Finger (USHL/NCAA) 2000: Rick Dipietro (NCAA) Dany Heatley (NCAA) Brooks Orpik (NCAA) Jeff Taffe (NCAA) Brad Winchester (NCAA) ANdy Hilbert (NCAA) Dan Ellis (NCAA) Greg Zanon (NCAA) 2001: (ALL CCHA(NCAA)) Mike Komisarek RJ Umberger David Steckel Mike Cammelleri Kevin Bieska Patrick Sharp (ECAC - U of Vermont) Chuck Kobadew (Boston College) Ben Eaves (Boston College) David Moss (USHL) 2002: ALL (CCHA) Eric Nystrom Jim Slater Duncan Keith Patrick Dwyer Yan Stastny Ryan Whitney (Boston Univ.) (ALL USHL) Matt Greene Joey Crab Adam Burish Tom Gilbert Keith Ballard (NCAA) Matt Jones (NCAA) 2003: Ryan Kesler (NCAA) Corey Potter (NCAA) Jeff Tambellini (NCAA) Lee Stempniak (Dartmouth College) Matt Moulson (Cornell Univ.) Patrick Eaves (Boston College) Jim Howard (Maine) Ryan Suter (US National U18) (ALL USHL) Matt Carle David Backes Drew Miller Joe Pavelski Brian Boyle (USHSE) Thomas Vanek (NCAA) Zach Parise (NCAA) Mark Stuart (NCAA) 2004: Travis Zajac (NCAA) Brandon Yip (NCAA) Al Montoya (CCHA) David Booth (CCHA) Mat Hunwick (CCHA) Daniel Winnick (New Hampshire) Kevin Porter (US Nat. U18) Alex Goligoski (USHL) Jim McKenzie (USHL) Corey Scneider (USHSE) Torrey Mitchell (USHSE) Blake Wheeler (USHSW) Drew Stafford (North Dakota) 2005: TJ Hensick (CCHA) Jack Johnson (US Nat. U18) Justin Abdelkader (USHL) Joe Finley (USHL) Jared Boll (USHL) John Quick (USHSE) Keith Yandle (USHSE) Brian Lee (USHSW) TJ Oshie (USHSW) Matt Niskanen (USHSW) Taylor Chorney (USHSW) Paul Stastny (Denver) 2006: Erik Johnson (US Nat. U18) Kyle Okposo (USHL) Trevor Lewis (USHL) Jeff Petry (USHL) Johnathan Toews (North Dakota) Phil Kessel (Minnesota) 2007: Kyle Turris (Wisconsin) James van Riemsdyk (US Nat U18) Kevin Shattenkirk (US Nat U18) Ian Cole (US Nat. U18) Max Pacioretty (USHL) Brendan Smith (NCAA) 2008: Justin Schultz (NCAA) Ben Smith (Boston College) 2009: Chris Wideman (CCHA) Nick Leddy (Minn HS - Eden Prarie) I stopped right there because from 2010-2012 there just hasn't been enough time to see where these kids have gone. I also realize that I may have missed some players due to the fact that I used the team they were playing for when they were drafted (ie. Abby was playing in the USHL when drafted and then played in the CCHA) so I may have completely missed some kids that were playing in Canada when drafted and then went on to play in the NCAA somewhere. I also may have just listed when the played in US Nat U18 (Ryan Suter) although he went on to play at Wisconsin...like I said I used the league they were in when drafted...

We don't have any PK issues...he just re-signed with Montreal!

Ya, Holland refused to give up Franzen....

Things that are better than the Wings Special Teams: "We kicked the tires and decided that the right deal wasn't out there." "We need to get bigger and tougher and gritty" "<insert name> is our deadline acquistion" Others: The 40 year old Belle Tire girl that used to be hot when she was the 20 year old Belle Tire Girl... Closing the bar and looking at the only girl left, ordering one more shot and saying "f*** it!" Ringing up $400 in gorceries only to have your debit card declined....with 6 other people looking at you.... Traveling to Thailand and meeting a nice girl, taking her back to your hotel, getting hot with her, receiving a great mouth hug, removing her clothes and....WTF!?!?! OMG!!!! Then you hear the song in your head "I know all there is to know about the crying game...."

Well he is a rookie and will hopefully learn by that mistake....

I don't understand why it was Brunner's fault. Where was the D? If the D was in the right position, Brunner wouldn't have had to attempt to get his stick in the way. I know Kronner was taking the guy with the puck but who and where was Kronner's partner?

The Wings have played ONE good game out of five...are we able to start growing a bit concerned? They cannot string consistancy together. They should have been all over a tired Chicago team tonight and yet, even with all the powerplays, weren't. I will say it again, getting a point for losing in OT is absolutely stupid. IT waters down the other teams win, and the league in general.

Still maintain my list of tradeable assets.... Big E is horrible...Quincey blows...Cleary useless...Franzen stinks (yes even while having a goal) It was obvious that Chicago was tired and not all there, and Detroit who were well rested failed to take advantage. This team is in a world of hurt.

Speaking of Red Wings and defensemen, I always liked Steve Chiasson when he was here, and although he was the main piece in the Mike Vernon deal, I wish he was able to be part of that 1997 and 1998 Cup team...Speaking of Steve, on a side note to the Western v. Michigan game, it's nice to see his son following in his footsteps. Mike Chiasson, who was 8 when his father died in that car crash, plays of The University of Michigan. I am not sure if he has been drafted but he looked pretty solid last night before Western opened up the whoop ass... The Wings could use a defender the likes of Chiasson right now...I remeber Chiasson and Vladdy playing together as a pair and totaling destroying opposing players.

Nyquist needs to stay in GR because yes, he is lighting it up down there and that increases his trade value. If he comes here and barely plays and when he does get in, doesn't do much, he will not garner us too much in return. He will be part of a package to get us our Sniper

Danke Shoen!

College hockey has made leaps and bounds compared to what it used to be. There is a reason a lot of good young Canadian/European kids choose US Colleges for playing. I do think though that there are still more scouts that watch the OHL compared to US schools, so you will get a lot more kids trying to go to the OHL to get "looked" at more. But you have to take your hat off to USA Hockey in todays world, from College's to USA Natioanal Teams in the way they have improved in the last 20 years. I would say the quality of play is similar/very close, but I think the more talent still goes to CHL (which contains the OHL/WHL/Quebec Major) for the exposure...AHL is just that, minor leagues of men who are near NHL ready or past NHL quality. edit: It would be very cool to see the NCAA Champion take on the CHL Champion in a game for fun....of course there are other leagues in the USA that develope kids very well too the UNited States Hockey League being one of them (Justin Abdelkader played for Cedar Rapids) Here is a link to a list off ALL Hockey Leagues around the world and as you can see the Canadian and USA list is vast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ice_hockey_leagues#North_America

Ya, ask Zetterberg...

Ok, here is my throw in of what I'd love on a roster next season... Bobby Ryan - Datsyuk - Corey Perry Alex Burrows - Zetterberg - Brunner Bertuzzi - Helm - Tootoo Miller/Eaves - Sheahan - Abdelkader Kronwall - Ericsson Smith - Lashoff Douglas Murray - Dekeyser Adam Pardy Howard Monster (of course Doug Murray is a UFA in San Jose, if somehow Holland could land that titanic human being, I would let Huskins go....but if not Huskins has done a solid job thus far, I would re-sign him to a #6/7 role) edit: My subractions are Franzen/Filppula/Sammy/Cola/Emmerton/Kindl/Cleary/Mursak/White/Quincey via trades/UFA/RFA or buyouts...