LeftWinger

That would be fine, as long as with the 2nd pick, the Detroit Red Wings select Seth Jones (not Robert Hagg or Rasmus Ristolainen or any other Euro over Jones or MacKinnon)

Here's a quote: "Who said we couldn't win with Euro's?" -2008 (now you cannot Kenny) Did he actually say that he made a mistake giving a 1st for Quincey? In not so many words. I agree, if he actually got one of the top two picks, he should draft Jones. Not even he could screw that up, could he? I know he would give much consideration to Robert Hagg, but would he actaully skip over Jones to draft another Swedish defenseman? If he were to use the 1st or 2nd overall for a forward here are some guys I think he would consider BEFORE MacKinnon...: Aleksander Barkov Elias Lindhom Valeri Nichushkin André Burakovsky ...and if he went with D, I bet he would consider these before Jones: Robert Hägg Rasmus Ristolainen then we will hear the quote... "We really trust Haken Andersson and his assessment of these players, plus Nick Lidstrom put his stamp of approval on it, and last I checked, he wasn't so bad of a talent..." I hope and pray that if somehow someway Holland gets a top 2 pick he does the no-brainer and drafts Jones, even if he got the #1, he does need to get Jones over MacKinnon. Its a huge need, an offensive player can be address via UFA (Corey Perry.)

It is time for an overhaul... This small skilled team doesn't equate to NHL hockey anymore. Sure, there is a place on the team for a couple of smaller skilled forwards, but if St. Louis didn't prove anything to anyone else last night, they proved it to me, todays NHL needs BIG skilled forwards... I almost blew my beer through my nose when Mickey Redmond said about Franzen that "There is a guy who can match up physically with Backes..." I laugh hysterically today about it. The Wings are full of small skilled and big average players. The extent of our small skilled forwards should start and end with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. I reserve judgement on Brunner because he is a rookie and well had 1/5 of our shots last night and at one point had half of them. But the rest of this team can and will be judged, especially after 10 games if they aren't at least 6-4. The makeup of this team needs to be changed drastically. I know Holland tried for the Olsen twins and I give him credit for everything he did over the summer, including the draft where he went with some larger and tougher players along with his couple of smaller skilled players. I know nobody agrees with me, but Franzen needs to be traded and I would say the same about Filppula. Why? Because Filppula can bring us a nice piece in return. I still maintain that Filppula should be traded to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan (if Anaheim would do so.) I know Selanne holds alot of water in Anaheim and the fact that he said he wants to play with Filppula should not go unoticed by Holland and the Anaheim GM. I do not even know what Franzen would get us in return after his epic fall at the end of last season and which contiues today. If traded anywhere, I am sure it would be somewhere where he would have countrymen who have chemistry with him, Vancouver or Dallas come to mind. I have said before about getting Burrows or Morrow for him, but I am not sure now that those teams would want him.... I could see Franzen doing well with the Sedins or Eriksson, which is why I mention those two teams. Quincey wasn't anywhere worth the 1st round pick, I don't care who would have been selected at #19. Heck, Stuart only cost us a 2nd and a 4th. I maintain that Quincey should not have been re-signed and we should have collected whatever picks we could have gotten as compensation. But no, Holland wasted $3.75M of cap space on this useless garbage. In my opinion tradeable assets today are: Filppula, Franzen, Cleary, Emmerton, Quincey, Ericsson, Kindl...(of course along with picks or prospects to get us what we need...) Waive Mursak, his NHL career is over, WAY over... Buyout Samuelsson and Bertuzzi....

Nah, I've had it in my sig for about a week... moreso though to get rid of Franzine...

besides, Z and Gunner were tearing up the Swiss league all lockout long. A lot of players had a lot of pre-season games...

Ya, gotta feel bad for those teams that didn't have any pre-season games to warm up on....like St. Louis.

just once I want to hear Babcock say " we stunk tonight, everyone in that lockeroom should be embarassed to be a man after that stinkfest on the ice tonight..." Mike, you weren't competitive enough? No s***! Holland....show us you're a genius...now.

Could have had a 1st and 3rd for Quincey if you just let him sign for $3.7M somewhere else...now you couldn't even get a 5th for him. I still like Holland, but he makes some stupid moves...

Does anyone think that Stevie would trade us a 1st rounder for Quincey?

In other news.....Hossa with 2 goals today. Franzen with....a massage, a glass of Zima and a new Ram vs. Mule commercial.

Well, will Holland select Jones or Hagg? Bet he goes with the Swede over the American...

Well....so far, this team sucks. Did not EVER show up. "You call Detroit and tell dem bulls***....trade Franzen right ******* now!"

...fixed....

Hey who misses Lids? The penalty kill is just as good as last season!

Hey, Parise with 2 assts. tonight so far.....

Well, one game down and Franzen has done zipp to begin to win me over... I certainly hoped that our team was better than what we were afraid of last summer.....they look(ed) bad....real bad....

How are the Olsen twins doing in Minny?

I think Brunner has about 3-4 shots of the Wings 8 or 9....bright spot?

Tootoo got a Bettman penalty. Bettman knows why we signed Tootoo, so he told the refs anytime Tootoo tries to get physical, put him in the box. Cannot have the Wings at the top of the league anymore. I am of course joking, I think the Wings are doing a pretty good job of that on their own tonight...

Crowd chanting "Detroit Sucks!" Frick that crowd, what do they know? Oh wait....tonight, they just may be right...

true, but aren't the top 5 picks lottery? Holland would probably draw the 2nd or 3rd and then draft Hok Ptew, or trade the pick for a 2nd rounder and get Haken Luben. I am 99% sure if Holland had the #1 pick, he would not take MacKinnon OR Jones...

I was just gonna mention this....but I think Holland would use that pick to take another Swede or Czech or Swiss or Fin...just a feeling...or he would trade that #2 overall to get another 2nd rounder and then take a Swede or Czech or Swiss or some other small skilled player...just a gut feeling there.

I didn't say that the players are not repsonding, it was on the radio today that there was a rumor going around that Babcock has lost something with the players....not hate, but the coach is ALWAYS the first to go... Oh and just FYI, Mike Babcock is not Scotty Bowman....nobody is Scotty Bowman...there is a reason why Scotty Bowman has won so much. If this continues into the 15-20 games, Renney will be head coach...

One....two....one, two, three, four...Oh wait, St. Louis has four goals...go home Mr. Joel, I don't think we'll be needing you tonight...

Not only is Holland REALLY going to have to re-evaluate this team (I hope he doesn't stay content and just miss the playoffs for the heck of it) but if Babcock cannot get these guys to respond to him or respond to something, he will find himself out of a job. I hate to tell him, but Tom Renney wasn't just brought in to be an Asst. He was brought in to fill the gap if Babcock cannot get it done. I am not saying fire Babs, but its no secret that the rumor has it that the players have stopped responding to him...Renney will take over when and if Babs gets fired....