LeftWinger

I said, if you read it, that having Bobby Ryan here would make Detroit more attractive to Corey Perry, I didn't say that Perry will go wherever Ryan is playing. I think Ken Holland has already balked on acquiring Ryan over the summer. But I think it would take more to get Ryan of course. But if Selanne put in his 2 cents on Filppula and then Holland threw in a Tatar and a pick, then Ryan could be a Red Wing. And its the same with Vancouver, if the Sedins think that Franzen could be a commodity that would put them over the top, the Vancouver brass wouldn't hesitate to contact Holland. Unfortunately, none of that is happening because it doesn't seem that anyone is contacting Holland, PLUS Holland will never trade away Franzen or Filppula because he loves his Euros way too much. I bet he would trade Helm before he traded Franzen...

I am throwing my eggs in the rookie basket and acquiring Visnovsky Kronwall - Visnovsky Smith - White Ouellet - Sproul Cola

At this point, whatever works. I was just keeping Kronner in there because we know he is better, we don't know that of Ericsson. If we had another NHL ready defender other than Cola, sure he would be the 7th guy, but Kindl blows. Of course there is always the outside chance of acquiring Visnovsky...

and sadly, that is more than most the rest of the team did... Franzen - Datsyuk - Filppula Brunner - Zetterberg - Tootoo Nyquist - Helm (when ready) - Sammy Cleary - Abby - Eaves Why not? When Bert is healthy slot him in Nyquist's spot. Over the summer, the two buyouts MUST be Bertuzzi and Samuelsson...

Ok, considering our D, last nights performance was no better than if we had three rookies in the lineup. I say lets get these rookies up here and get them established now... Kronwall - White Smith - Colaiacovo Ouellet - Sproul They cannot do any worse, and they would probably do better...

Well, I sure wish it was Mrazek coming up instead of McCollum.... Also, with Ericsson questionable, I guess we'll see Kindl.... I'd rather they call Ouellet or Sproul.

I agree that even though he was easily one of our best last night, that Brunner looked timid or just star struck. I also agree Sammy is a better third liner.... What would you think about putting a line together of Brunner - Zetterberg - Tootoo? I am not saying Tootoo is a top 6 talent, but given the fact that both Z and Gunner got knocked all over the place last night, having Tootoo out there with them could give those guys a bit more sense of security...

Yes they have Zetterberg up front to play with Franzen. BUT Franzen has proven time and time again that he doesn't do any better playing with Z. I am not saying that he would guarantee step in Vancouver and strike gold with the Sedins, but hell, even Samuelsson played on that line a scored 30 goals playing with them. Giving Franzen's potential and the excitement he MAY get from a change of scenery AND playing with the Sedins, he could get 40 or 50 in a full season. He is never going to top 30 here. ALso I am not saying Burrows would come here and nail 50 in, but again, he is a total different type fo player than Franzen and he would bring a whole different dimension to Detroit, which is what Detroit needs....New types of players...

I never said that list of players suck (besides Franzen, Kindl, Quincey) I just listed players that I feel are tradeable as of today. I frankly don't care what value they have, Filppula could get you Bobby Ryan for sure. Cleary has value of leadership maybe for a young team, he may get you a draft pick of some sort. Emmerton would get you a draft pick. You could always package picks and prospects to help get a Bobby Ryan here. Take your pick of prospects, Tatar, Nyquist, Andersson are all expendable with the other prospects we have. Again, I am not asking to trade ALL the players I listed, those are just the ones that are expendable. Of those, Filppula is the most valuable and would get you something you NEED in return. My point about Selanne is, if indeed Ryan is the whipping boy out there and needs a fresh start, offering Filppula to Anaheim would be intriguing enough for Selanne to put a stamp of approval on it because of his desire to play with him. He and Selanne (according to Selanne) have great chemistry together and we could use someone like Bobby Ryan on this team. We have way enough playmaking forwards, we need a scorer or two. Also, getting Bobby Ryan in a Wings uniform would make Detroit a more attractive place for Corey Perry come UFA day. Now answer me this, which lineup looks better. (assuming Brunner works out and gets re-signed) Ryan - Dastyuk - Perry Brunner - Zetterberg - Burrows or Zetterberg - Datsyuk - Brunner Franzen - Filppula - Samuelsson (I threw Burrows in there because I also believe Franzen could be more valuable on Vancouver than here and he (along with a prospect) could get you Burrows.... (granted, this is just hypothetically assuming that Vancouver and Anaheim would want to dance with Holland.)

Fixed... If Holland hadn't acquired Quincey, he probably would have been on Justin Schultz's short list considering that there would have been a spot for him to step into and play. Fixed....

That would be fine, as long as with the 2nd pick, the Detroit Red Wings select Seth Jones (not Robert Hagg or Rasmus Ristolainen or any other Euro over Jones or MacKinnon)

Here's a quote: "Who said we couldn't win with Euro's?" -2008 (now you cannot Kenny) Did he actually say that he made a mistake giving a 1st for Quincey? In not so many words. I agree, if he actually got one of the top two picks, he should draft Jones. Not even he could screw that up, could he? I know he would give much consideration to Robert Hagg, but would he actaully skip over Jones to draft another Swedish defenseman? If he were to use the 1st or 2nd overall for a forward here are some guys I think he would consider BEFORE MacKinnon...: Aleksander Barkov Elias Lindhom Valeri Nichushkin André Burakovsky ...and if he went with D, I bet he would consider these before Jones: Robert Hägg Rasmus Ristolainen then we will hear the quote... "We really trust Haken Andersson and his assessment of these players, plus Nick Lidstrom put his stamp of approval on it, and last I checked, he wasn't so bad of a talent..." I hope and pray that if somehow someway Holland gets a top 2 pick he does the no-brainer and drafts Jones, even if he got the #1, he does need to get Jones over MacKinnon. Its a huge need, an offensive player can be address via UFA (Corey Perry.)

It is time for an overhaul... This small skilled team doesn't equate to NHL hockey anymore. Sure, there is a place on the team for a couple of smaller skilled forwards, but if St. Louis didn't prove anything to anyone else last night, they proved it to me, todays NHL needs BIG skilled forwards... I almost blew my beer through my nose when Mickey Redmond said about Franzen that "There is a guy who can match up physically with Backes..." I laugh hysterically today about it. The Wings are full of small skilled and big average players. The extent of our small skilled forwards should start and end with Zetterberg and Datsyuk. I reserve judgement on Brunner because he is a rookie and well had 1/5 of our shots last night and at one point had half of them. But the rest of this team can and will be judged, especially after 10 games if they aren't at least 6-4. The makeup of this team needs to be changed drastically. I know Holland tried for the Olsen twins and I give him credit for everything he did over the summer, including the draft where he went with some larger and tougher players along with his couple of smaller skilled players. I know nobody agrees with me, but Franzen needs to be traded and I would say the same about Filppula. Why? Because Filppula can bring us a nice piece in return. I still maintain that Filppula should be traded to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan (if Anaheim would do so.) I know Selanne holds alot of water in Anaheim and the fact that he said he wants to play with Filppula should not go unoticed by Holland and the Anaheim GM. I do not even know what Franzen would get us in return after his epic fall at the end of last season and which contiues today. If traded anywhere, I am sure it would be somewhere where he would have countrymen who have chemistry with him, Vancouver or Dallas come to mind. I have said before about getting Burrows or Morrow for him, but I am not sure now that those teams would want him.... I could see Franzen doing well with the Sedins or Eriksson, which is why I mention those two teams. Quincey wasn't anywhere worth the 1st round pick, I don't care who would have been selected at #19. Heck, Stuart only cost us a 2nd and a 4th. I maintain that Quincey should not have been re-signed and we should have collected whatever picks we could have gotten as compensation. But no, Holland wasted $3.75M of cap space on this useless garbage. In my opinion tradeable assets today are: Filppula, Franzen, Cleary, Emmerton, Quincey, Ericsson, Kindl...(of course along with picks or prospects to get us what we need...) Waive Mursak, his NHL career is over, WAY over... Buyout Samuelsson and Bertuzzi....

Nah, I've had it in my sig for about a week... moreso though to get rid of Franzine...

besides, Z and Gunner were tearing up the Swiss league all lockout long. A lot of players had a lot of pre-season games...

Ya, gotta feel bad for those teams that didn't have any pre-season games to warm up on....like St. Louis.

just once I want to hear Babcock say " we stunk tonight, everyone in that lockeroom should be embarassed to be a man after that stinkfest on the ice tonight..." Mike, you weren't competitive enough? No s***! Holland....show us you're a genius...now.

Could have had a 1st and 3rd for Quincey if you just let him sign for $3.7M somewhere else...now you couldn't even get a 5th for him. I still like Holland, but he makes some stupid moves...

Does anyone think that Stevie would trade us a 1st rounder for Quincey?

In other news.....Hossa with 2 goals today. Franzen with....a massage, a glass of Zima and a new Ram vs. Mule commercial.

Well, will Holland select Jones or Hagg? Bet he goes with the Swede over the American...

Well....so far, this team sucks. Did not EVER show up. "You call Detroit and tell dem bulls***....trade Franzen right ******* now!"

...fixed....

Hey who misses Lids? The penalty kill is just as good as last season!

Hey, Parise with 2 assts. tonight so far.....