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ya, same reason's Semin has! I too, would have loved to have him here last season...it would have been a bit different outcome I do believe...maybe not a Cup, but different for sure! Anyhow, I have always been a fan of Andrew Ladd...he ALWAYS killed Detroit when he was in Chicago, and I still would LOVE to have him on this team!

Frick Doan! You want someone who is gonna help? Call Arnott... (not that we need another forward now anyhow...Just go with the three we already signed...Brunner, Tootoo, Sammy and call it.)

Got to....just have to concede that Kyle Quincey was our "Big" off season signing....I like Tootoo, but it sure was more exciting when he was a prelude for what was about to happen! Which of course didn't happen...It's ok though, I am fine with having the yutes come in...Holland will not show some balls and will not get rid of Franzine...I guess every year from now on he will hope that "playoff Franzine" shows up...which he hasn't since he signed his lifer contract....we'll see. Hey since Hudler is gone ( ) he'll give me someone to blame the woes on throughout the season! Franzine Sucks and He is Lazy! ©

Who needs overpriced UFA's? In 3-4 years, Smith will be better than Suter and one of our young Euro's will be netting more goals than Parise/Semin or Doan... Let's get Abby signed, sort out the bottom 6 and bring on the season!

SO, honestly, who goes? Emmerton/Mursak/MIller/Eaves? Two are out for sure. I think MIller and Eaves have earned NHL jobs and should not be the #13 and #14 forwards, but they are not going to bump Tootoo, Sammy, Brunner or Nyquist. Miller and Eaves are only 27 years old, so its not like they are aging forwards, Emmerton and Mursak are younger and are more apt to filling those roles. Honestly, I would trade three players for some picks... I am conceding that we are not getting Doan or Ryan, so I am just going with re-signing Abby and dumping three forwards. This will be a hard decision on which one to keep as your 13th & 14th. Like I said Miller and Eaves ARE NHL players and should be treated as such. They should be dealt to a team that will give them icetime. I'd hate to lose either of them, but what are you gonna do? Another thing is, Sheahan is close to be a regular here as well. (I'd STILL love Holland to give Welsh an offer sheet too. Even though though that would make even a bigger log jam in the bottom 6.) I'd love a line of Welsh - Sheahan - Abdelkader. If we are talking future here and looking past this season, trading all four Miller/Eaves/Emmerton/Mursak and sinking some cash into Welsh would help that future out. (Not inclluding the extra draft picks we'd get for those four.) I am still kinda hoping Holland picks up Kubina to help out the PP...Yes, I have also conceded that we aren't getting Yandle either. Here is my proposal....trade Miller/Eaves/Emmerton/Mursak for draft picks to teams that can use them, sign Jeremy Welsh to an offer sheet and then pick up Kubina to shore up the D and then hope things gel. ( I wonder if Carolina would be interested in a Cleary package for Welsh's rights? He would be a good leader on that team...) Anyhow....bottom 6: Sammy - Helm - Bertuzzi Tootoo - Abby - Cleary (Welsh/Sheahan) That is what I would like to see since we are pretty much done making moves (unless we pick up Kubina.) BTW - When Holland inks DeKeyser in the Spring, we will all be saying Schultz who? I know I jump around a spout about getting this big name or that big name, but looking at the kids coming up and even this years draft(which I am VERY excited about for the first time in a LONG time,) I really think all will be fine... EDIT: Here is my roster and I am going forward with it! FORWARDS Damien Brunner ($1.350m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) Mikael Samuelsson ($3.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.250m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) Jeremy Welsh ($1.900m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.900m) / DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Pavel Kubina ($4.550m) Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Ian White ($2.875m) Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) ------ CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,621,212; BONUSES: $647,500 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $7,578,788

Well, if Doan is out...now what? We already know (even though it will be for the better of the team) that Holland WILL NOT acquire Bobby Ryan...he has to re-sign Abby and figure out who he is losing up front. Quincey was our big acquisition and even thought the off season started out nice with some role players, Holland has failed on all accounts to keep this team a legit contender...he refuses to outbid anyone or make the sacrifice's needed to better his team (Yandle.) The new Wings logo is "Wiz was right..." I know these guys are getting overpaid, but sometimes you just have to do just that to win...

This signing DOES indeed show that Semin just wanted money...The Olsen Twins have a slim to none chance to win the Cup in Minny, but in Semin's case, slim just left the building... Too bad Holland is afraid to spend any Cap (unless it is an aging, returning Swede.)

Wow, a lot of meetings coming up for Doan, but not in Detroit....Holland prolly offered him.$3M. Holland.....shame on you. Grow some balls!

Holland is curled up in the fetal position sucking his thumb crying out "why wont anyone take less money to come to.Detroit anymore!?!?" Holland....if you dont land Doan and trade for Ryan, you need to quit.

at Kenny....he is fail. Epic. An off season that started out so promising too. Lowball some more players and GMs. Hey Ken, a player can make more than Pav, ya know? Damn him and his "team" salary cap. Enjoy this roster!

Why choose only one of them? you make the trade for Ryan (younger, makes less money, still signed for three years) and that increases your odds of getting one of the others in the offseason next year. Make the deal for Ryan and posiibly have two of the three in 2013. It would be great to land all of them, but now thats dreaming! Odds are, whereever Ryan ends up, one of them will sign there next year...if they aren't traded at the deadline.

In all honesty, the only way Holland signs BOTH is if there is a trade that clears a few forwards out. As it stands, Mursak and Emmy are the two odd guys out and will waived/traded(after Abby is re-signed.) If Holland gets Doan and or Semin, that will push another forward out and that will be Miller or Eaves or both. I think if Holland makes a trade for a D man to clear up the forward log jam, then he may get both. I believe it will be either or, but not both. It may be neither. Like someone mentioned Tootoo WILL be in the lineup, as will Nyquist and Brunner and Sammy. By that thinking, it looks like Miller/Eaves will be the 13th/14th forwards anyhow. I think they both have earned NHL starting jobs, so if there is a trade, I think those two will be involved as well. I wouldn't doubt if Cleary is included in a trade either. He may not garner too much, but he would be a great leader for a young team. Maybe to an Edmonton or Winnipeg for a pick....

Wait, Hudler leaving is a loss? but...but...but...we have playoff Franzine...

and in somewhat related news, it seems Ken Holland isn't the only Illitch toadie GM that likes to bring back aging and somewhat benine players, Omar Infante is a Tiger again...hoo.ray. Ken Holland cannot seriouisly be ok with this roster...he must be frontin'

I dont.wanna trade Flip, but Anaheim will want him to play with.Selanne. Also, Ryan is 100,000,000 times better than Franzine....

i hear ya...I am just so used to this crap...Kenny did land Hatcher and CuJo before, I know I have kneejerk reactions. I do trust Holland, but would like to see him get a top line UFA soon...

...and this soon to follow...Holland misses out on Bobby Ryan as this guarantees Ryan will be a Flyer if traded...f***!

Yea, then philly will make the deal for Ryan. Holland will say, he wasnt really interested in Ryan and Lilja knows the system.....

...and just like you and me AND the media, he is thinking why doesn't anyone want to be here? Because Holland lowballs...In this market, if you want to big names, you have to overpay, outbid, and offer REAL helluva offers for star players... I am glad he has tried, but if he didn't try as hard as everyone else, then he didn't really try, did he? His model remains the same...Euro, Euro, N/A, Euro. Then bring in or back OLD Euro. Sammy is an upgrade as a whole over Hudler, Brunner we don't know, Tootoo, baffles me wy he came here, he probably thought 99.9% that his buddy Suter was coming here, just like the rest of the world, just like Suter did, until his wife ruled otherwise and Holland offered him less money than Minny...Holland can still redeem himself by acquiring Ryan...which would help bigtime in getting Perry or Getzlaf next year. (but I doubt he gets any of them.) I still belive by time training camp hits, Lilja will be a Wing again... I fully, FULLY expect Hudler to be back in 4 years...this is Holland's model. He refuses to change with the times...

Wings.done.....this is our roster

Geez, makes me wonder what Hollands "Hell of an offer" was...he could have beaten this without blinking...Howsen is an absolute jack wagon... Franzine/Tatr/Mursak/1st destroys what the Rags gave them....Not unless Holland low-balled again....Bring on Ryan! NOT! It aint gonna happen...our roster is set...I believe it now 100%...as much as I like the Tootoo signing, Holland failed this year...FAIL by low-balling! Holland just cannot let go of Franzilina....God I hate Franzine!

Honestly...Holland was Asst. GM when the first Balls to the Wall move was made for Shanahan, that won us Cups...he showed his Balls by acquiring Chris Chelios...and when we were too old Holland made another Balls to the Wall move by getting Hasek, Hull & Robitaille that won us Cups....He needs another Balls to the Wall trade...Bobby Ryan. He needs to stop lowballing GM's and UFA's...player want to get paid, no longer do they take a discount to play in Detroit because it's Detroit...

Hey Holland, this is what having Balls means! Take some risk! You wouldn't even miss the first round picks....I am beginning to think that Wiz is totally right about Holland....sure he puts an effort in to try to acquire players, but he low balls UFA's and other GM's...

We can still win it all THIS season, but...the team still has Franzine on it...

Ya, Mike BabCock in a Walk!