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at how this Iginla vs. Semin thread has turned into a Clowe thread... Topic...If Iginla and Semin were our only two options, I am still going for Iginla. (sorry to disappoint ya kip)

Far from homophobic...just as far off as you are by saying I mention Semin in every thread...I only comment on Semin when he is brought up and like I said, excuse me for talking about Semin in the Semin thread...I don't like Semin, but the subject was if he came here for Hudler type money, then yes, he would be a nice experiment...take a look at my posts again, I think you have me mixed up with someone else. But if I do make up a thread about Semin then you can bring your hate and your extremely boring hockey analysis, when that analysis always includes knocking someone else's opinion...

...so then why was our PK so bad then? Although Clowe and Pavelski would be a couple of nice additions...

Ya, we'll have to hope Parise has a Hossa moment an signs here while passing up the ridiculous contract offers...I don't see anything wrong with a 10 year $7.5M per season offer...but ya, he will definitely get those $10M per season offers and I do hope that Holland doesn't go for that... I hope Holland lands Suter for sure though...

Obvious choice to me, but who would it take to get Iginla here? Plus he is at $7M...could Holland afford all three of Iginla, Parise and Suter? Or would Iginla take us out of the Parise-stakes? I guess if the Cap goes to $70M, Nick takes a nice respectable discount, that would be a pretty awesome roster... Just who would be gone? I would think Franzen? Filppula? Prospects? Hate to lose Smith, but Tatar and Andersson are expendable...along with Franzen if the Wings got both Iginla AND Parise... edit: OP, you should add Parise to your poll to see what everyone thinks! Of course how about this question: Lidstrom & Parise or Iginla and Suter? Hmmm....

Blah, oops sorry!

I hope its the start of something big, because signing this guy and Homer takes up two roster spots that can be better filled...that's all I meant. Oh and the fact that Holland continues to try to make his team small, soft and Euro...he refuses to change, it seems this is all he knows how to do and that is the sign of an out of date GM. Small and soft isn't bad as long as you have a nice balance of big and hard to play against as well... Speaking of a trade, it's reported that Columbus is looking at the Rangers forward Chris Kreider and D Michael Del Zotto in a possible deal for Rick Nash. I don't know too much about those two, so my questions is, on the current Red Wings roster, which players would be our equivalent of those two to try and land Nash? Who is our Kreider and Del Zotto?

Nah...my first priority is Suter, but it will sting a bit if some other team signs Parise for less than $8M, because if that is the case, then we know that Holland tried to low ball him...same goes for Suter. That will mean one of two things, Holland low balls them or Detroit is no longer a prime destination for UFA's and that my friend (no matter how many Cups he has been part of) will be the barometer that measures Ken Holland. If UFA's no longer wish to play here, then Holland will need to go...

Yes, in my perfect world scenario, Holland lands BOTH Parise and Suter and still have enough money for Helm, Abby, Lids and bring up Smith...but it wont happen if the Cap does not increase. THat is the only way we get all three Parise, Suter, Lidstrom because I only get just under $3M left over before Lids signs and Smith comes up... For me, either the Cap goes up or Lidstrom hangs em up...I just cannot pass on Parise and Suter. If I cannot get both or even one of them, then Lids can return and I look at lessor talent (than Suter/Parise) to try to better this team...For me though, I think #1 priority is Suter, then Parise is 1a.

A great Birthday present it would be indeed....

Only if he wants to...if the Cap stays the same, it will be hard to make this team a real contender again by giving Lids $6.2M...

Here is my $70M Cap Roster: Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.500m) Ian White ($2.875m) / Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) Tomas Vokoun ($1.250m) ------ SALARY CAP: $70,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,142,045; BONUSES: $37,500 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,357,955 Subtractions from the team are: Hudler, Holmstrom, Mursak, Stuart, MacDonald & Quincey(since I don't think he will accept $3M or less, he can go RFA.) I only gave Parise and Suter $7.5M because they signed 8+ year deals. I still have $2.3M in Cap space, so if they wanted shorter (5 year) contracts I could up their salaries by $1M each and still be above the Cap... If the Cap remains the same or only slightly rises, then I am still going hard for Suter and Parise, Lidstrom can hang em up along with Holmstrom and then I am getting a cheaper 5th or 6th dman to rotate with Kindl. I am also signing Dan Dekeyser AND Jeremy Welsh to play in GRR next season and help secure our future! I'd love to have a Brenden Morrow in here, so if maybe a package of Cleary and Mursak would get that done, then I am all for it! I know he makes $1.3M more than Cleary, but I still have cap space to acquire him...that is just a from left field exchange though...if Cleary stays healthy, he is a great 3rd liner.

I'd gladly give them $7.5M+ to be Red Wings for the rest of their career's Bertuzzi's NTC was for last contract, he does not have one for the next two years This couldn't be any further from the truth...No way either of them will get that much. Helm will get $1.5M and Abby $1.25M tops... Good, I'll be happy getting a first round pick back for him PLUS a third to boot! (hopefully he signs with a bottom dweller like Edmonton or Montreal or Columbus, I will gladly welcome that 1st and 3rd for Quincey!) So I would have to offer him a $3.25M qualifying offer for a year and hope he doesn't accept it... Compensation for 2011-2012 RFA's: $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation $1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick $1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick $3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick $4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick $6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks Amen!

I feel like changing my vote to ZERO...re-sign Holmstrom? Offer a contract to another small Euro player? I sometimes think Holland doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground...

what else does the league want? The got their "parity" throughout the league, revenue is up, they got the Cap in place, they got their "KID" the Cup (maybe one wasn't enough and they need changes to make sure he gets every two out of three?) I don't know what else the league would want from the players. If the NHL suffer another lockout or lose of an entire season, it is over. It cannot survive another whole, half or any part of the season being cancelled... I cannot see why Bettman still has his job, half a season lost in 1994-95, entire 2005 season lost AND now this possibility!?!? Why does this fool still have a job? He has done hardly anything GOOD for the NHL and tons bad!

although I would love to see ANYTHING replace Hudler, but isn't that what Parise is supposed to be? I really don't understand all this, offer this guy and contract, probably re-signing Holmstrom gonna go hard after Parise....Nyquist here full time. Emmerton and Mursak have ZERO options to GR, just where is Holland going to put all these forwards? Not to mention wanting Lidstrom and Suter and Smith here permanently. There is only room for 23 players, maybe Holland is just getting back up plans or maybe he plans on getting rid of some players from last season. Personally, I'd rather keep Miller and Eaves over Bertuzzi and Cleary...Maybe Eaves is done? I just have a weird feeling that a ton of us fans are going to be disappointed come July 2nd when Holland doesn't score the two players he absolutely HAS to get to turn this team back in the right direction...

Hey, lets be careful not to mention Semin in the Semin thread ok guys? Seems the Semin police are out there...or is that semen kip?

Uh....ya, no. I only mentioned Semin after everyone else mentioned him becoming a F/A. If you see my sig, it doesn't, nor has it had Semin mentioned in a long time. I'd prefer just to sign Parise and Suter and Vokoun. So no, I don't mention in it every thread....an excuse me for talking about it in the "Semin" thread. And I have talked about plenty of stuff...Why don't you pull the dick out of your ass, its starting to mess with your head!

This just in....Holland not interested in Parise. I'm joking, but seriously? It looks like Holland STILL refuses to change the makeup of this team, a makeup that has been waning and waning year after year. Sorry, just my opinion...

Fedorov....first of all "WE" never booed you. Second, you are and always will be my favorite and in my opinion the BEST Detroit Red Wing in my viewing era...Third, Thank You and Thank You for making my era of NHL hockey and Detroit Red Wings hockey the absolute best era to EVER watch and be part of! We will see you in the Hall(s) (Michigan and NHL) and for me at least (but too bad unlikely) I want to see #91 up there next to #19... You should sign a one day contract with the Wings on July 1st, so you can officially retire where you belong, a part of the team you will always be remembered for... I have missed you since Detroit pulled their offer to you and forced you to leave and have wished for a comeback ever since...Good luck with the Red Army! Godspeed Sergei!

I both love and hate the draft...I love it for all the Datsyuks that are found and I hate it for all the guys NOT selected that I wish were...but that being said, as always, the draft is a crap shoot and just because you are drafting (at that time) the best available player, doesn't mean you always get what you expected, and then there are the gems that are found in the later rounds (no, Holland is not the only one to find the gems either) that makes you just scratch your head wondering why "your team" didn't take that player... You can go back over every year and every round and pretty much see a star player that was passed up by numerous teams for someone who barely even had time to take a poop in the NHL, let alone become what was expected of them... a quick example, all this talk about Paul Gausted and he was taken in the 7th round #220 overall...in the 6th round Detroit had 2 picks #187 and #196 they chose Per Backer and Paul Ballentyne....you just never know...besides the Rags had a huge mess up in 2003, perhaps the BEST first round class ever selected by teams...except at #12 when the Rags took winger Hugh Jessiman who managed just 2 games played in the NHL followed directly by LA selecting winger Dustin Brown. If you get a chance take a look at that first round...wow! Too bad Detroit didn't have a first rounder that year... edit: That same draft year, as good as the first round was (except Rags and Blues) Shea Weber didn't go until the 2nd round at #49 and Joe Pavelski was #205 overall...I can think of many teams that wish they would've gone a different route that year...including Detroit.

Nice hit...nice to see nobody go after Kronwall after he delivers a clean hit...if that were the NHL, the entire opposition line would be trying to fight Kronwall. Like a clean hit has to be defended. What did kesler say earlier this year, if he is gonna hit like that he is gonna have to answer for it...why? Clean hit is a clean hit....jackass traitor!

I tend to agree. he seems much better as a wing. One way to put back on the wing is to sign (acquire somehow) two new wingers for Datsyuk (Parise & Semin(cheap) just suggesting names) which will put Franzen back down with Zetterberg (where I think he does a bit better) and that'll put Filppula back at third line center pushing Helm back to the 4th sliding Abby back to the wing. Parise - Dastyul - Semin Franzen - Zetterberg - Nyquist Bertuzzi - Filppula - Cleary Miller - Helm - Abdelkader Eaves (homer) You could flip Miller/Eaves and Homer in and out I guess, this would cause you to lose both Emmerton and Mursak though...unless Cleary is traded (which I do not see happening...)

Yes, I think if he signs for a Hudler-type salary, he would be a nice project to see if he indeed does have chemistry with Datsyuk. Parise is imperative though and I would like to see both signed! If for some reason Holland cannot get Parise, Semin cannot and would not be a viable plan b alone....Holland would have to obtain someone else in the Parise mold as a plan B. Of course with all the talk about re-signing Homer, getting two new FA's is pretty much out of the question. I really just wish that Holland would let the past go... Not unless he ditches BOTH Emmerton and Mursak, re-signs Homer AND signs Parise and Semin...that could be a pretty good lineup...

So it is of one negger's opinion that losing Emmerton/Mursak and possibly not being able to sign Parise is worth re-signing Holmstrom... I get it. I hope you enjoy a worse season than last year, because if it was not for the 23 game win streak at home and they played like they did on the road, they wouldn't have even made the playoffs. But just keep re-signing players from the 90's, just keep losing top prospects for washed up players...oh wait, you can always trade a first round draft pick for them later in their career's...that'll make up for it all! Holland re-signs Holmstrom and loses youth because of it, this team will be in trouble for years, indeed. I understand your love for Homer, but there are only so many roster spots to be handed out. Hey, here's an idea, lets sign Homer and not sign one of Helm or Abby, that'll make it better and open up a roster spot... Nobody here can convince any of us that re-signing Holmstrom will make this team better than they were last season. Thank you Homer for all the years, but please, call it a career... Yes, but signing Parise and Homer you are exposing Emmerton AND Mursak to waivers or trade. I understand wanting Lidstrom back, especially if he heals 100% from his injury, but to lose TWO young players for the sake of an aging Holmstrom who will be the 13th forward most nights..I dunno, if it doesn't affect Hollands ability to pursue Parise and Suter, then I guess...but I hate, year after year, sacrificing youth for "One more Shot." Which BTW, that "SHOT" seems to get further and further away from the target each year...