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Now there is a VERY interesting situation....I know I thought about Franzen to Dallas so he could play with Eriksson and bring us Morrow...but I think if Vancouver felt that Franzen could be a missing piece to their puzzle, if they fail to get out of the first round, they will be looking to make a crucial change....so I ask you, would you take Alexandre Burrows for Franzen? I think I would...Interesting....VERY interesting.... edit: Negg? Really? Burrows AND Morrow WAY better than Franzen...make that trade ALL DAY!

I would rather go the Nabokov or Vokoun route to push Jimmy into being a better goalie rather than tie up nearly $8M in two goalies for a season, then most likely losing Howard when his deal is up. Now if Luongo came in a won us a Cup next year, sure the gamble would be worth it, but I think the $5.25M would be better used in finding the help we really need...Jimmy is fine when 100%. Get him a better team to play in front of him and a goalie to push him for his job, now we are back in business...

Kenny just thought that his team was better than what it was...he thought people would step up, he just knew Franzen would "return." Hudler would "appear," Bertuzzi would "impact," the list will go on and on. He "liked" this team and felt that trading someone that he feels is the heart of this team was not worth the risk. Well, IMO, the heart of this team starts at Datsyuk & Zetterberg and ends with Helm & Abby. Franzen & Cleary are not part of that. Not that anyone inquired about those two, but I would really like to see what some of the offers were out there. Just to find out what Holland passed up on. He definitely overpaid for Quincey, I really would love to see what Columbus wanted for Nash. What Anaheim was wanting for Perry...etc...prices were probably very high, but just to know what Holland actually passed on would be very interesting...

It's not that Holland will offer him $2M, that would be asinine. BUT Lidstrom needs to tell Holland one of two things by draft day. Either "I'm hanging them up" or "Kenny, I will play one more year for $2M, get some players here who desire to win!" If Lidstrom re-signs for $5.5M or more? Forget EVER making this team better. Suter will go elsewhere, Parise will go elsewhere, nobody that will make a serious impact on this team will sign here for pennies, just because it the Red Wings. IF that happens, Holland may as well just re-sign Hudler too. And not sign anybody else, then keep all the cap space for the deadline....then...broken record. Lidstrom....Please, for the sake of this team becoming the Dead Wings again, retire or $2M. If Yzerman will take $1.5M for one last shot, then take a page from "THE" Captain...

as long as that other option is a perfect compliment to Datsyuk (like Hossa was). This team needs TWO pure scorer's. Maybe Semin for a year to see what gels, if he works out great, if not, he moves on...

I tend to agree, but for wishes I don't even want Weber, but would love Suter...

Wow, -51? Anyhow, other than you choice in thread title, you are't that far off. I agree Holmstrom and Lidstrom need to seriously, SERIOUSLY consider retiring. Bertuzzi is signed for two more years. Hudler does need to go and Howard DOES need a goalie who is going to challenge him for the starting spot. He needs that push to become better... ...but your choice in titles, wow. Z and D are two player you NEVER trade. On my UNtradeable list are: Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Filppula, Nyquist, Helm, Abby, Smith. Others I keep are Quincey, Ericsson, White, Miller, Eaves & Howard. Not counting the UFA's Holmstrom and Lidstrom, everyone else is fair game... In order for this team to succeed next year at all, at the very least Hudler CANNOT be in their plans...

Yes, that is Ryan Suter, but there was only one other to play, his uncle Gary Suter. You are think of the SuTTer's, and there was/is about 5,000 players from that family it seems... Ya, it would be a bite to nab Suter, it's happened before, 2003 Anaheim eliminates the Red Wings in first round, July 1st Ducks sign Sergei Fedorov. 2007, Ducks eliminate the Wings in the 3rd round, come July, Ducks sign BOTH Todd Bertuzzi and Mathieu Schneider out from under us...not that it matter in the next year anyhow.

If nobody is going to take Franzen's horrible contract off our hands, then still go after Parise and Semin and demote Franzen to the third line with Helm & Bertuzzi. If Bertuzzi plays anywhere near the top two, then I hate the re-signing of him. Third line is perfect for Bert. It will be fine for Franzen too. I don't mind Franzen in a third line role, but he is NOWHERE near a top 6 forward anymore. Not on this team or most others. He's NEVER be picked to be an All-Star and as hokey as the ASG Weekend is, it still speaks wonders of what the fans and your piers think of you as a player. Let Hudler walk. Zetterberg and Datsyuk and even Filppula need skilled scoring forwards. Parise - Datsyuk - Semin Filppula - Z - Nyquist Bert - Helm - Franzen Miller - Abdelkader - Eaves Tatar(Sheahan) I'd prefer just dumping Frazen and acquiring Morrow for that third line though... Agree with both of you! The 3 or 4 player change AND not holding my breath... Leaving - Cleary, Franzen, Hudler, Emmerton, Mursak, Stuart (Lids & Holms retires) Coming - Morrow, Parise, Semin, Suter, Smith

I am sure he meant retire in that sense, but I agree. If Lidstrom even sniffs more than $2M, then he needs to retire. This team needs a huge overhaul and getting rid of his salary is a great place to start. IMO, he needs to retire, but what will happen is, he will tell everyone he is waiting to see how his ankle heals, then he will handcuff Holland all summer (not that I expect Holland to do whats right for this team anyhow) and the top guys will all be gone...Then Lids will decide late August that he is retiring...Ok, ok, I joke about that one, but he needs to decide before July 1st, preferably by the draft so Holland can start formulating a plan... Too much...if they re-sign him for that much, this team is screwed next year. If they want Suter and Parise, they need to be able to offer $14M-$16M between the two of them. Getting only one of them is not enough. Like I said, with the way he is playing and the lack of healing, he needs to seriously think about retiring... edit: You people that don't agree with this are stupid. He is obviously struggling because of injury, if he cannot fully recover he needs to hang em up. If you dont agree with that then you are dumber than I thought. Of course since you just neg and don't say why we'll never know what your thoughts are. They are probably just this anyhow "Wah Wah, don't say Nicky will retire..he is God!"

I stand by what I said in the above post earlier in the spring, with the exception of maybe trying to get a better backup here to challenge Jimmy. He has no one to challenge him, his job is secure, he is comfortable. He needs to be pushed. Not many quality goalies out there that are sub $1M goalies....I think Vokoun and Nabokov will get more than that...we may be stuck with MacDonald.

Ya, well if we are talking actual salaries and NOT cap hit, then Franzen is at $5.25M and Hudler was $3M...so, Hossa at $7.9M or Franzen/Hudler at $8.25M....Holland still sucks... Edit: I'd rather have Hossa signed here thru 2021 than Franzen thru 2020.

OMG! A comprehensive sentence! And I actually understand it too! Now that's the Juck ******* Pott!

Hossa cost $5,275,000 towards the Cap.... Franzen & Hudler cost $6,829,545 towards the Cap... Looks to me like Chicago made out on that one....Holland sucks.

No, next year you bring in either Nabokov or Vokoun and let them challenge Jimmy for #1. He has nobody pushing him, so he doesn't have to worry about his job. Nabby or Vokoun will do just that...

Who is this guy? Really? I have to use that line..."I slapped my cat and sent my wife shopping!"

YY BETFANGUS....s*** HIT THE FUN.......I love it! anyhow, I guess I should have saved all my Holland and Franzen bashing for now instead of at the trade deadline...but still doesn't matter, I was right then and now a ton of you are right now... I stand by my words...Holland is NOT the best GM in the league...he proves it year after year. Hand down, Hossa should have been re-signed and Franzen let go.

Dude, I am on your side....please do not mistake me for a Franzen fan.

Juck ******* Pott!

All you have to do is look at my plus/minus stats. It was nearly +300 on the deadline, it's below +190 now. That pretty much sums up the Holland slappies... Hey all the "In Kenny We Trust" guys...where is playoff Franzen?

Watch the GWG again, look who leaves the man alone in front of the net....with bonehead plays like that, he needs to retire. GWG totally Lidstrom's fault. He hasn't even been human since his injury, he has been horrible. Maybe he hasn't healed all the way, but his injury was far away from his head and he has been making some bad plays...not thinking. Hang em up Nick, it's been fun...

Negg....tee hee! I don't understand the hate for Hossa...Both he and Franzen have 21 points in the playoffs SINCE Holland chose Franzen over Hossa...and Hossa has far outscored Franzen in the regular season...

Most hits are shocking when you are a Red Wings fan....

Fixed...

Fixed... ...anyhow, I am sooooo sick of the perfect pass attempt!!!! They either shoot from the blue line or they try the perfect pass when they get the puck down low....SHOOT THE FLIPPIN PUCK!!! AND SHOOT HIGH!!!!