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are you serious? You go on to talk about how he is a top prospect and high level, then you want him to have his first NHL experience playing with Franzen? Do you want to taint his work ethic? ...uh, you are not seriously comparing Franzen to Hull are you? Pavel setting up Hull is not comparable to anyone, not even Hossa, but even Pavel setting up Hossa had way better production than Franzen's lazy ass. Next thing we'll be hearing is how Franzen is the next Fedorov...

Hossa a million times better than Franzen and only $1.375M more per year...oh and has more total points too...it was a mistake, can't change it now, but I am done with Franzen, he is a floater with very little or no heart and barely shows up...you may not agree, but the obvious is obvious. Maybe when Datsyuk returns he can light a fire under Franzen....nah...

Come on back Pavel! This team needs you like the Earth needs the rain! Ya, too bad the Hossa or Franzen one didn't turn out as good...

"Never question Bruce Dickenson!"

It's just you...tragic how Fish's career ended, but I think that incident is more defining his career than his career did. He had ONE good season and was horribly inconsistent the rest of them...sorry, but I think the sympathy bug has clouded everyone's memory of him. He was great in 2002, but before that, not so great and when he got pummeled by Scott Thornton he turn into, well, Ericsson...

I certainly hope you are kidding? Smith is the type of defender this team needs...he hits, fights and clears the front of the net, why on Earth would you want to change his game to a Lidstrom type? Don't they have enough Lidstrom type defenders?

Keeping Franzen over Hossa was the right move because Ken Holland is the greatest GM in the history of the world and should never be questioned! (even though Hossa is 1,000,000,000 times better than Franzen ever imagined to be.) Franzen showed his work ethic again against the Hawks. Problem is, this guy will never be traded because every other GM knows his work ethic and wants no part of him. I would just buy him out.

Jiri Hudler trying to pussyfoot instead of shooting....nuff said. Other Things: Holland will regret not addressing the powerplay issues at the deadline. Super impressed by Brenden Smith, he is going to be a great player. WHY THE f*** hasn't someone taken Keith's head off yet? He pounded away on your 2nd best player and not even a dirty look from someone like Abby or Bertuzzi or anyone! IF the Wings get eliminated this is what is gonna spell doom for them...Keith should not be standing right now...

Tatar - Not even a minute played in the NHL this year... Nyquist - 5 games 0 goals 1 assist Conner - 7 games 1 goal 2 assists Scrub? Anyhow, like I said above, it's all about chemistry... Cleary-Helm-Conner is a great combo and Conner fits in the 3rd or 4th line better than Nyquist or Tatar will. They fit better on scoring lines, but will never crack the top 6 right now...

It's all about chemistry! Conner-Helm-Cleary! Miller-Abby-Holmstrom(Mursak) Nyquist may be the future, but we need the right now and he probably won't get any playing time up here.

Ya, Lidstrom will pretty much have to retire if Holland wants to sign BOTH Suter and Parise. Even if Lids signed for $4.5M'ish that would leave enough to give Parise $7M+ and Suter $7M+ especially with some raises to Helm, Abby and Hudler due. I do believe Hudler has played himself into a modest raise (lets say Val's salary) and a long term contract. So up front if you re-sign him, Helm and Abby then sign Parise, one of the bottom two of Emmerton and Mursak will have to be traded or exposed to waiver's...even with that, it makes it very tight on the Cap with Lids signing for $6.2M and Parise for $7.5M, if somehow they could get Parise long term for $7M and maybe lids to accept $6.0M that would loosen up the Cap a bit... FORWARDS Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($3.000m) Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.000m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Drew Miller ($0.837m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.950m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m) Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.000m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m) CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $716,289 Somehow this thread turned into a lines thread (where is blueadams during all of this?!?!) but it is gonna be great if Smith plays like last night all the time, along with getting better and better as he ages!

If Smith is NHL ready, Lids returns AND they sign Suter, they will no choice BUT to trade Ericsson because they cannot have a $3M player being the 7th defenseman. Lids-White Kronn-Suter Quincey-Smith You'd have to have Kindl be the #7 because he makes less than $1M. I have a strange feeling though that the re-signing of Quincey is gonna be Holland's July 1st D pickup, because if Lids comes back that will give them 7 NHL defensemen. I think Holland will give Lids his $6.2M and say his defense is set. Lids-White Kronner-Quincey Ericsson-Smith Kindl The only thing this does is give us hope that if Weber does another 1yr deal in Nashville, he will be a UFA in 2013 and we can hope against all hopes that Weber is a Red Wing in 13/14. This will be okay too, then Holland can maybe throw $7M+ for a long term deal to Parise and address that issue. Then attempt to sign Lids replacement in 2013...

All are huge threats in their own way, especially on the road... ...definitely the PP/PK... ...Helm will have a great playoff. Franzen....BETTER show up!

I was very impressed with both Smith and Quincey last night. IMO they both deserves playing time over and above Ericsson and Kindl. I think this defense is in great shape even with Stuart probably leaving and even if Lidstrom retires. I still think Holland should go hard after Suter. I know it probably won't happen, but Lids needs to come back for around $4.5M in order to secure Suter and Parise long term. If he doesn't feel he can take the pay cut, then there is going to be issues siging Suter and Parise. That is only my opinion though and Anyhow, Smith looked real good yesterday, let's see if he can stay out of the abysmal black hole on the road that the rest of this team falls into. Good for him! BTW: I absolutely LOVE Franzen's demotion. He is even lacking effort on the third line....damn that stupid ass contract. It just shows me that if the Wings ditched Ericsson and Lidstrom retired, the D would be okay without them! Next Season: Suter-White Kronwall-Quincey Smith-Kindl Janik

http://www.letsgowings.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=2245427 I put this up a few weeks ago... According to my buddies female acquaintance (Dan's Sister) it's gonna be Detroit or Tampa, Detroit for the obvious reason's and Tampa because Yzerman pretty much guaranteed him immediate NHL time. It's nice that it seems more and more a possibility of happening. I have watched a few WMU games since my buddy told me about him and he does look pretty dominant out there. He also invited me to the NCAA Championship if WMU makes it. If they make the Frozen four, he is going to Florida to watch him as well. (I cannot make that trip.) I think this would be a great signing...

These "fans" are idiots...I said the same thing on deadline day, that they would lose the #1 seed and possible drop to 6th in the playoffs, hell they are already in 4th. They laughed at me. They call you an idiot. Seems nobody wants to admit that the Wings are not omnipotent. Dudes, not saying the Wings suck, but Holland should have made a blockbuster. Now with injuries, they are going to lose their position even more. They played like crap against Columbus except for the last 10-12 minutes. That comeback doesn't happen against anyone but Columbus. They needed a shakeup. Now they know they can float around and not show up 100% and be confident there will be no repercussions.

Oh, for sure, as did many of the NHL's enforcers back in his day did. Drugs, Alcohol as well as steroids...

It is well known that former Leafs/Canadiens enforcer John Kordic died of heart failure caused by a drug (some say steroid) overdose...I have no doubt in my mind that there is performance enhancing drugs in the NHL.

Not me! This is one of the reasons I f'ing hate Hudler...

Exactly! Hatcher was a beast before his injury, then he got bought out the next year...these same people ***** about Mike Modano signing as well! anyhow, to the OP, great list but you left out one thing he does EVERY year at the deadline and July 1st. "Kicked the tires and had some interests."

This to a "T" They will never vote Lidstrom an 8th trophy just because that would mean that people would have to admit that Lidstrom is just as good as or even better than Orr ever was. So by that fact alone, Lids will retire with 7 Norris Trophies. On that note, if I am making a team and picking players from their prime, Lidstrom gets picked before Orr...

Gee, ever since I bitched about yesterday, they scored 4 straight....hmmmm....

I blame Lebda for that goal....oh wait...