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Holland failed today. He said over the summer that he wasn't going after big UFA's because he wanted to keep the cap for the trade deadline. Everyone on here said, no biggie that he didn't sign nobody now he can address our issues at the trade deadline. No here is the deadline, he failed to address our issues. Even the guys he targeted did not address our issues. Quincey does not address our issues. Now Holland is saying as well as you guys, he will adress our issues over the summer, which is what we heard last year at this time when no trades were made and then what happened over the summer? Exactly.... This team will not win the Cup. It is too inconsistent. Datsyuk can't do everything for you. Off season will come (way too soon) and Holland will be more focused on overpaying Lidstrom & Hudler (guarnatee he gives Lidstrom over $6M again and Hudler at least $4M) he won't even sniff Parise or Suter. So here is our team next season... CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.954m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Jiri Hudler ($4.275m) Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.250m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) Drew Miller ($0.837m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) Jan Mursak ($0.550m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / Ian White ($2.875m) Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($4.000m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joey MacDonald ($0.550m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter) (these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion) SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,892,044; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,407,956 he'll keep the $4.4M for help at the deadline again in 2013 Today was Strike 1 for Holland, he will say he wants to improve on draft day that will be Strike 2, then he will yap about July 1st. Strike 3. EVERY YEAR!

I am not happy...I am mad. I don't care. There are players that were available out there that would have made this team better and Holland refuses to do a thing.

Cue the Holland coup... Starting with me...Kyle Quincey? That is your answer to a horrendous road record, inconsistent forwards, one of the worst power plays in the NHL, and again, s***ty inconstant "clutch" players... Read it here....HOLLAND WILL NOT SIGN ANYONE SIGNIFICANT ON JULY 1ST. I am so God damned sick of Holland doing nothing...he isn't the only one, but Vancouver got better, San Jose got better, Nashville got bigger. Detroit stays put...I am just so very upset....Every ******* year Holland says he is gonna do something, he does nothing, he wastes a 1st on Quincey, I was ok with that when I actually believed Holland would do more to make this team better. Well, I was utterly disappointed again....oh BTW, Bertuzzi is gonna be there big signing... I cannot wait to hear what he has to say....oh wait: "We kicked the tires, made some offers, we just didn't feel there was a deal out there that we felt comfortable making..." That sounds about right....f*** Holland... Hit List: Johan Franzen Jiri Hudler Ken Holland

Come on Holland! Improve this team!

Wow, so far Holland is a seller!

Wtf!?! Guess he and Babcock could never bury the hatchet eh?

Ladies and Gentlemen! Welcome to Trade Deadline Day!!! Will Ken Holland "Go Big or Go Moen?©" or will he do nothing? No matter what, it's always starts out as a very anxious and exciting day! BTW, this is off topic, but yesterday my two youngest son's played at the Joe and yours truley (who is one of their coaches) got to coach from the Red Wings bench! Wow! What a perspective you have from there! I was working the door for the kids at the tunnel to the locker room! I tried to upload some pics, but they always end up small on here, not quite sure how to show them full size! Anyway, it was great! The ice is actually a lot smaller than what it looks like from up in the stands and on TV...

No no no to Samuelsson.....if Holland's trades are just re-acquiring old used Red Wings from 2008, then we are in for a huge disappointment this spring. Hey Holland, why not have Draper un-retire?

This exactly! Thank you!

:looney: and Dan Cleary led the Wings last year with 8, that sure is the mark of NHL Elite-ness! Besides Vrbata is now leading 10 as well, so his inconstant play is allowing players to catch him in all statistics...soon Hudler will pass him on the goal-scoring. For the "most clutch player in the NHL" who has a "Serious Contract" 47 points in 62 games is horrendous! according to Capgeek.com, he has no such thing...

Honestly, I would like to see Miller/Abby/Mursak(Holmstrom)for a fourth line and reunite Cleary/Helm/Conner for the third line. But Those two would be nice to see here as well! ChrisDetroit, don't let those 4th line stats get in the way...and yes, Franzen sucks now, he will be invisible this playoff, guarantee. I said one magical season because everyone who try's to defend him always refers to the 2008 playoff series.

I think you all know my opinion of Franzen so I will refrain from just bad-mouthing him. I will just say I really appreciate this thread and agree with the OP to the Nth degree! edit: on a side note, the same can be said about Zetterberg. I do believe wholeheartedly that because of his back, he is on a downswing and will continue to get worse. I predict both of these guys retire because of health issues before their contracts are up...

I never said fire Holland or Babcock.... ...and yes, our 4th line is the worst in league. Along with some other teams lines, but it really does suck. Holmstrom (I love him to death) but he needs to sit. He is useless on the 4th line, he obviously isn't the power play specialist he once was which is proven by the lack of power play production. Emmerton looks like he will never be more than what he is, average. Mursak was touted by most of you guys to be on the second line...he has shown nothing. I am not putting blame on them for losing the last three or the woeful road record, that is on the top scorers on this team to step up and be clutch when needed. I give Hudler credit for his attempt last night, but there were others that failed as NHL players. Zetterberg has had a bad back since he signed his life long contract, now we a stuck with that until he retires and his back is only going to get worse. Trade him? Of course not, but if he is gonna be injured every year, then Holland is going to have to find someone who is going to fill his shoes on the scoring end, because he just is not producing. Franzen is lazy and he sucks (sorry Lang.) For those of you that are thinking Franzen is going to turn it on come playoffs, I laugh. He won't, but everyone will give him a pass because of one magical playoff in 2008.

Mickey said it best last night on Red Wings Live. "You cannot win a Hockey game in 20 minutes" I didn't watch the third myself due to my utter disgust over the first two, but again, it seems another instance of too little too late. The Wings have consistently played that way on the road this year and yesterday it showed up at home. I certainly hope Holland addresses this before tomorrow 3pm. Plus, Babcock should jockey the lines around and demote some people until they step it up CONSISTENTLY every night. Hudler with two goals and Franzen with nothing. I hate Hudler but damn he is becoming more reliable than Franzen. Babcock needs to mix the lines up to get Abby and Miller back on the 4th. Not that they haven't played well enough to be with Helm, but our 4th line is the worst in the league. Holmer is just washed up, Emmerton is below average and Mursak has shown me nothing. Not that I expected a superstar out of him, but with all the hype he gets here and even by the Wings, I expected much more. Put him with Abby and Miller, maybe he'll shine more. They need to call Conner back up, when he was playing with Helm, that was the best third line in the NHL. And Holland definitely needs to add a pure scorer who can help this powerplay and maybe push Franzen for that top line spot and help motivate his lazy, dumb ass...

What a waste of an hour and a half...time to let the wife take the TV over. Holland better be making calls right now...This team is in dire trouble...

Here's an idea on lines for the second: Bert-Z-Fil Miller-Helm-Abby Franzen-Cleary-Hudler Holm-Emmer-Murs edit: yes, in that order....Helm deserves better! Franzen and Hudler deserve the Iron Maiden...

I agree, but noone would take his hideous contract and his inconsistent play....of course Edmonton just wasted $10M on someone similar... Wings NEED an ELITE scorer who scores consistently! Who? Dunno, but since Holland won't part with too much, we'll never see it...

Wings best bottom six was: Conner - Helm - Cleary Holmstrom - Abby - Miller

How do you win 23 games in a row at home and still not be running away with the points? If this team had played like this all season, they wouldn't be in the playoffs. Looks like reality is setting in and the road Wings have shown up. Guarantee there will be more excitement tomorrow on the Joe ice...

Hudler is horrible...Franzen I haven't even seen on the ice...where is Z?

It's like they don't care...WTF!?!

So, Holmer with the hook, but no call on the Av player for interfering with Holmer on the same play?

Looked like a trip to me....he stuck his stick out...while he was falling...obvious trip is a trip... cant stress enough, if Holland does nothing else to better this team, Wings are in trouble....Make something happen Kenny!

Still waiting for Mursak to prove something...I was more impressed with Conner when he was up...we have the worst 4th line in the NHL it was better when it had Miller and Abdelkader on it. Reunite Helm Cleary and Conner please. Dump Emmerton and Mursak.

Ok, I am so tired of Ram vs. Mule....I hate it. f*** You Mule! Do your job!