LeftWinger

I agree with you about Filppula, but unfortunately nobody is gonna take our underachieving garbage just because of their potential. If not Filppula, then it's gonna be Helm or Abby. For me the ONLY trade-able guys I would not trade is Filppula, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Helm, Abby and Howard. Obviously Lidstrom isn't going anywhere and neither is Holmstrom. Even guys with NTC/NMC would be shopped, if they don't want to waive them clause, then they will sit... But, if we could package something together for a HUGE HUGE HUGE impact player, I'd be all for it. If you have to dump Franzen/Hudler/Kronwall along with prespects, then do it. Everyone is right, this team is stale, content, comfortable. I said it before, this team is what it is and pretty much you have already seen the best this "core" can be. Even Helm and Abby are what they are, they're good, but they aren't gonna all of a sudden turn into 50 goal scorer's. I hope things change, but how long until they do? Kenny, this is a business, you have to so what's best for the franchise. Start the phones ringing, you should be able to get a very nice player(s) for a few good packages... Franzen, Hudler, Kronwall, Ericsson, Cleary, Bertuzzi, Brunnstrom...prospects, picks. Let's get some impact players here, not part timers. Interesting thing about Franzen, we all remember his 5 goal outburst last season, right after that somebody (I forget who) started calling him the new Fedorov, well, it seems ever since that comparison...he has stunk up the ice. Trade him. If you can.

okay, so, 8 loses out of the last 12 games. This is becoming a bit concerning. While I hold on to who we have on this team, because I know they have done better, but if this trend does not change, it really may be time to have a shake up. I don't know what though. Nobody wants our utility/garbage players, and with Franzen's stupid contract, who is gonna take him? I seriously think this team is doomed this year, unless it's injuries and if that is the case, LTIR and let them heal. PLEASE! I do not want to see them miss the playoffs. If you have to shop some of our top 6,then so be it. I am a fan of this franchise, not any individual player. It's either Zetterberg and Datsyuk and hurt, or their line-mates are, or they stink...I don't know, but we are the Mother F&$*ING Red Wings and 4 wins in 12 games is NOT NOT NOT acceptable, no matter how you slice it! I am not jumping ship, but I DO have the right to be PISSED! MAKE SOME KIND OF CHANGES OR THE RUN WILL BE OVER! Mike Illitch, hear or prayers, for the love of Hockeytown and it's dedicated followers, do something! It is now time to see if Ken Holland is indeed, the Maestro GM he is painted to be!

Well, ya, Smith is the future, but why would you like to see him replace Commodore? Commodore is the type of D-Man this team is screaming for, but Babcock won't take his head out of his ass enough to play him. Same reason he stopped playing Modano last season. Babs ego is getting on my nerves a tad...

I would rather see Smith play next to Commodore. I just don't think Babcock is over his hatred for Commodore, so his signing was pretty much pointless. Too bad too, because he hasn't looked bad at all, and the defense looks a ton meaner with him, Smith and Ericsson on it. All due respect to Kindl, but for me, I like Commodore better. But as long as Babcock is coach, he will never be able to show what he can do...same reason why Fedorov could never come back before he left for Russia...I like Babs, but its sad that his ego gets in the way a lot. I look forward to seeing Smith play, but sure wish Commie was playing... Lids Kronner Stuart Ericsson Smith Commie "Fear The D!"

I have always liked Sheahan, and am not surprised by his recent play, but you know who I am very disappointed in? Landon Ferraro. I thought for sure he was something a lot more than what he has been so far. Maybe he will be a slow developer, but he is on the way down the Prospects list. Doesn't look good...

...so what do you propose to do with them? You can't waive them, they cannot retire because if they did, their salary would still count against the cap, you know you cannot trade them, ya, sit them, but then you are wasting their cap hit in the press box, plus your roster is full, so unless they go on LTIR you cannot sit them and play a youngster... so, like them or not, they are here for the reminder of their contract, and then, they will most likely be gone...

With all the Cups he won here, I think Shanny forgot he played for the Blues too... NOBODY who is old enough forgot that he played for the Blues, but how about maybe the younger fans who were just born when Shanny played there? For the most part, all they remember is him playing in Detroit and NYR... Think a minute...it was nearly 20 years ago he last played there...sheesh...

Uh...ya, of course you aren't going to see it as dirty....and it was Yzerman's fault that Pronger injured his knee too. Maybe there was no intent to injure, but it was a very dirty hit...ANY hit from behind is dirty, especially when the guy is 10 feet away from the boards and he not only gets hit, but shoved as well. Very dirty and naughty....he deserved at least 5 games.

Honestly, I think most people here are afraid to say Zetterberg and Datsyuk are playing like crap. It's almost like it's sac-religious to do so. Hell either they are horrible or both hurt, and if they are both hurt, then sit them down and let them heal Mike! I have no issue saying they are playing crappy, but I hope it is due to injury and not aging. I am all for a couple of players sitting down for a bit, some to heal and some to get the freaking point through their heads! Which ones are hurt, we'll probably never know for sure, but if needed put Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Cleary on IR, sit the hell out of Franzen and Hudler... ...a lot of folks complaining about Commodore, but what do you expect when he gets the crap minutes of the game. Say what they want, but Babcock still hates Commodore and is NOT playing him on purpose. How many minutes did he play tonight? Sure, he is not a top 2 defensman, but f*** man, Backes was running everyone out there without regard, put Commodore on him and beat the s*** out of him, at least put him out there so he can try to stick up for his teammates. I am seriously questioning Babcock at this moment. Especially in a game like this, Backes needed to be floored for his antics. And maybe, just maybe that would've lit a bit of a fire...

Not at all, except for Hudler and Kindl on the point...Reward those three for sure, but cripple them with Hudler and Kindl... Heck I am all for playing Helm's line in the top spot...

One shot in 14 minutes.....ho.lee.s***.

Phantom penalty

In the pregame, Hitchcock said Detroit was the blueprint team in the NHL. How long until coaches stop sayinf that kind of stuff about them? Nice going Franzen...did I say bench Franen already? If not, then bench him after that jack s***....

Well, you got your 4th line on the PP, too bad Hudler and Kindl were on the point.....Is Babcock smoking dope?

Babcock is purposely not putting Commodore out there to stand up to someone. Does Babcock think his top 6 is gonna come thru? All the while Backes is destroying the Wings....

Ok, so when is someone gonna go after Backes?

I am starting to agree, Cleary is hot garbage thus far this year, but he is not the only one....by far!

Is anyone on this team playing well? Oh, Howard and our bottom line and our D. Big time contracts not being earned...

we got 11 more years of him? Oh.my.God. Didn't realize it was that long....:puke:

He may have issues, but he at least wouldnt allow Backes to do what he is doing....

Ya, someone stand up and protect your teammates. Kronner cheapshotted, dats run multiple times and Eaves run at the end of 2nd. Blues have no fear of retribution out there. Babcock should release "The Commie."

Is Avery still available? At least he would stick up for his teammates....

Guess our "enforcer" has the night off. Ya, I do mean our powerplay....and noone to stick up for Kronwall, Datsyuk or Eaves either....

Geez, Backes is just doing whatever he wants! Why? Noone is gonna step up, thats why.....

Man, Zetterberg has to be hurt....sit him down already, let him heal....long term if needed, Jesus, I'd rather have him healthy for the playoffs....