LeftWinger

agreed, but there is a chance with the re-alignment that we won't be division rivals after this season, we won't even be conference rivals...

Of course Washington and Detroit come to mind....what Russian wouldn't want to play with Ovechkin or Datsyuk? Give him a shot with Datsyuk for $1.5-$2M, he can't perform any worse than Hudler, could he?

He could still wear it in the pre-season and maybe of Commodore USA wants to do some kind of promotion's here and there, he could wear it pre-game (kinda like they use the pinks sticks for warm-ups.)

1) Who is your favorite Detroit Red Wing player overall to wear the Red Wings Logo? Sergei Fedorov 2) Who was your favorite Detroit Red Wing player that joined the red wings? (Non drafted by Wings, could be threw Trade / FA / Waiver etc...) Dino Ciccarelli 3) Which current player would you dream of them joining the Wings? Shea Weber 4) Which are the players that really "hurt / bugged" you when they left the Red Wings to join another team? Sergei Fedorov (both times he left) 5) Is there a player that you never wanted him on the team ... but eventually joined the team? Hudler's 2nd go round.

Could've, Should've, Would've...I understand wanting to debate this, and I hope its not to bring Osgood down any, but honestly you could say, IF to anything. I for one, believe Osgood should go to the HOF AND get his number retired by the Wings, but I do agree, if it weren't for Hasek, the Wings (even with all their HOF's) would not have beaten Colorado in 2002. Which just proves that "your gramma" could not have won playing behind the Wings, because even with the HOF's playing that year, they still needed Hasek to stand on his chin. Thus proving when Osgood won, it wasn't only because of the players in front of him, he won because of his abilities as well, and if it weren't for a MVP 3 on 5 shift by Zetterberg in 2008, Osgood would've hands down been the Conn Smythe winner. He still should've in my opinion, he came in and won like 9 games in a row or something like that. I know this is not a Osgood HOF debate, sorry...

Yes....Yes it is... (and there aint no sneaking Hudler in, until he is no longer a Red Wing, I will continue to chant the words "TRADE HUDLER")

Cogliano signs with.Ducks, three yrs at $2.1, $2.3 & $2.6M....and we have Hudler at $2.8. Thank God its his last year!

at a -2 for saying Osgood/Draper should retire and for Holland to spend money... Oh boo hoo, someone says my little Ozzie should retire... Do you think he should play until he is 70? He is too injured, do you want a back-up that'll win for you in the playoffs? I never said they suck, but just that its over, they should retire and Holland should spend the money elsewhere, but again, some folks just think the "old Wings" should stay here and never retire and if you say something different, they'll neg you. I hope this conference is to announce his retirement. The Wings need to acquire Nabokov to really push Jimmy to the next level, Osgood cannot do that.

I sure hope it is retirement....Does Holland really think Osgood is the best back up option? I guess Nabokov isn't worth Hudler to him....or is it the Isle's dont want Hudler? edit: I am a huge history buff, but damn I am growing tired of nostalgia on this team...Draper, Osgood, it's time to go, hang them up, retire! SPEND THE MONEY HOLLAND! TRADE HUDLER!

Nah, could've had Vokoun for $1.5M, he just didn't want to be #2 behind Howard, he wants to start, so he went to Washington... I'd take Semin for sure, and I would sacrifice a prospect and a roster player...

I look at your top six and I just see that we desparately need a legit top six sniper... To me (I know you love Huds) but Hudler or Bertuzzi and to an extent Holmstrom are no longer top 6... I still like the idea of putting Filppula with Datsyuk, but that is where they need that top sniper, on that line. I realize we are probably stuck with Hudler, but I would love to see a sniper along the lines of a Hossa type, but is he out there? Filppula - Datsyuk - Sniper Cleary - Zetterberg - Franzen Bertuzzi - Helm - Eaves Miller - Helm - Holmstrom Mursak/Emmerton I just don't know who to put in at Sniper position...gamble on Drury? Not really a sniper...Put Hudler there? He's been put with Datsyuk before and has failed as a 1st line winger on more than one occasion... I'd LOVE to get Parise somehow, but I just assume to wait to win the lottery instead...

I agree, but I was reffering to the current d-corps. If it stays the same, I don't see Commie being #7 and Kindl #6. But, by all means, if there is a trade in the works for a defender that will be #3-#4, then sure I can see Commie being #7. But as it stands, Commie is #6 over Kindl... however....Draper is done, that is why he rode the press box a lot last year and he was signed a few years ago, you know my opinion on Hudler and Ericsson was atrocious last season. Commie will be better than Ericsson this year, bet on it. Commie was signed this year to play a specific role, and I don't see that being the #7 or he would've been offered a lot less than $1M. Janik could come in a be #7 for less money. If Commie was signed to be #7, then it makes no sense what-so-ever when Holland already had a few #7 defensemen already signed.

I cannot disagree, I had posted earlier (could've been another thread) that I tend to believe this team is set (minus a #2 goalie) for the start of the season (including Hudler.) Not unless Holland is REALLY looking hard for a top 6 forward (or even a top 3 forward) in a trade. I know he has $7M burning a hole in OUR pockets, but there just isn't anyone out there UFA...

if ANYTHING happens it will be up front, Holland did not give Commie a million dollars to sit up in the press box! Holland could've just given Kindl the 6th spot and let Janik sit up in the press box for a smaller cap hit. Commie is your #6, get used to it. Everyone in the organization says Smith is ready, doesn't mean he is gonna be here, but that makes Kindl and Janik the expendable ones on D in a trade scenario along with Hudler and unfortunately Filppula and/or Emmerton/Mursak up front in a trade scenario. The D is set even if Kindl and/or Janik get traded. Say what you will, but any combination of the six mentioned players would bring us a very good top 6 forward in return and that would make this team even better... ...concerning next year, I am pretty sure whomever Holland acquires, this will be the last year of his contract, for I do believe Holland wants to have as much cap as possible to acquire Lidstrom's eventual replacement.

Just because someone doesn't like the fact that his opinion is Osgood is done. Instead of replying to his post and debating that they think Osgood isn't done, some narrow minded user just hits neg because they love Osgood and want him here even when he is 60. The neg button should come with an explanation requirement. You should be required to explain why you disagree with someone so much that you give them a neg... I like Osgood too, but I also believe he is done. Does that mean I think he sucks? No. He is just too injured to be the best option at back up goalie...it's just reality. Hudler for Nabokov....boom...make it happen Kenny!

I am going with Manny... ...for personal reasons...BUT I still would love to obtain Nabokov somehow... Speaking of which, how come he doesn't show on the Isle's roster on capgeek? Hmmmmm.....

ya...all this, I believe the D is set, Commodore makes up for Salei and White will be a fine replacement for Rafalksi, and he is even meaner than Brian. Given the fact that Kindl is pegged to be #7 rotating most likely with Commodore, I don't see a top 4 coming here. But you just never know whats going on in Hollands head and if a legit TOP 4 d-man becomes available for the right price in return, Holland will make the deal if it betters his team. I have resigned myself to accepting that this team is set minus a #2 goalie, yes even keeping Hudler, so I can see this being the team starting the season, again, unless an opportunity comes up to get a sniper or a REAL TOP 4 defender. Of course, I am done dropping names, since it never happens anyhow...

It would definitely be a trade, you are right about not much being out there UFA. As to whom, your guess is as good as mine! There are tons of quality top 4 d-men out there, but at what cost via trade, that is the important part... It would more than likely include Kindl leaving but that would make either Commodore or Ericsson the 7th guy... I was really satisfied with the D lineup as it stood with Kindl being #7. As for a top 6 forward, that is also up in the air, that would almost guarantee Hudler and or Filppula being traded...

I don't disagree that they are but huge pussys, but at least Semin's ***** squirts and I can enjoy it more! Hudler is just a useless dried up ***** that not only doesn't hit or battle for the puck, but cannot score for crap. So they are both pussys, but Semin at least scores...and unlike Hudler, if you put Semin on Datsyuk's line, he will flourish...

Hudler on all your top lines... I prefer Emmerton AND Conner in the lineup instead of Hudler... Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Filppula Franzen/Zetterberg/Bertuzzi Cleary/Helm/Eaves Miller/Abdelkader/Mursak Emmerton/Conner ...but seriously, if we are stuck with Hudler, I'd say unless there is a trade in the works, let them battle it out in camp. I am leaning toward Emmerton because he put his "time" in, but if COnner is as fast as they say, he could compliment Helm and Eaves wonderfully... It's fun to be a Wings fan thus far this year!

Nashville has 13 forwards and 5 defensemen already signed along with 2 goalies. They have $23M available in Cap space, so unless the arbitrator awards Weber a 1 yr $24M contract, they shouldn't have to trade anyone.... The Devils, only have $7.3M available Cap, with 11 fwds, 7 D and 2 goalies. I guess $7.5M is feasible for Parise, but not sure he will get awarded that much. Even if he was awarded $7M that would give the 12 fwds with no room for injury call ups, in that scenario they would have to trade someone for sure. But I think he may get awarded somewhere around $5.5M to $6M... I'd take Rolston as a rental off their hands for the year...

Well since the post above is the first time EVER I have mentioned Semin, I don't think that I am SO concerned with getting him....BUT I would for sure take Semin and Emmerton over Hudler and Filppula! It would give us a legit top 6 sniper, it would give Helm the 3rd line center position (which should be his anyhow) and give Abdelkader the 4th line center spot, plus give Emmerton and Mursak more playig time with only 13 fwds instead of 14. The loss of Filppula and Hudler's combined salary would nearly wash out Semin's so Holland would still have a ton of money for a deadline acquisition...(if needed) Of course I'd take a broken Koho for Hudler...

The Preds moving Suter before the deadline is NOT out of the question. We are waiting to see what Weber will be awarded. That being said, some people will argue that the Preds wouldn't trade Suter to the Wings, but if it's true that the Wings are moving east after this season, then the Preds wouldn't need to worry about that... But at what cost to get Suter here?

Speaking of Washington, yesterday they were $1.8M over the cap, today they are a couple hundred grand under? What happened?

Hudler and the word physically together.... Hudler provides more offense than Semin? You slay me! Thanks for making my day funny!