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...so Hasek and Chelios had nothing to do with helping Detroit at all that season? Jagr wont be THE piece that brings Detroit a Cup, but he can be a very important part of a Cup winning team in Detroit... All the anit-Jagr people here say he is too old, but do they ever mention Holmstrom's age? he is only ONE year younger and is still VERY effective at the role he plays and actually had a very good season and playoff for his age. He had 37 points in 73 games played, another player had 37 points in 73 games last season, but Holmstrom made $1M less than that player, then Holmstrom had 7 points in 11 games in the playoffs, that other player had 3 points in 10 games. What's the point you ask? Holmstrom is old too, but he was better at 38 than Hudler was at 26. You can't write off perhaps the greatest Czech born player entirely just because he is 39. If Jagr signs for $2M and puts in 40-50 points over 80 games, plus 15-20 in the playoffs, then it will be a good signing!

It's not even July 1st yet Red, they already signed Lidstrom, they pretty much have at the minimum two more spots to fill on D, that is if they are confident in Janik being #7. If not they need to sign three. Back up goalie will probably be a no brainer, they just need a solid enough goalie to play 20-25 games and maybe some playoff experience to come in if Howard cannot go in the playoffs for whatever reason. There have been plenty of names tossed around here that would fill that role, I have not yet ruled out a trade bringing Nabokov in for that role... we shall see starting this Friday at the draft! Raise your glass to Hudler being traded! :beerbuddy:

I like that roster too, its very similar to a few I have suggested, everything the same except I don't have Richards on my team and I have Jovo over Janik, but if Kindl is ready then Janik would do for a 7th defenseman. I would love Richards, but I tend to believe he is gonna paid more than $7.2M, he made more than that last season....but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility... I would definitely sacrifice Miller for Richards in this scenario, but I would hope to all hope he gets signed and clears waivers and would be available for injury call-ups...

I did feel the same about Modano, but a little something called a severed tendon and missing 3 months kind of put an end to him scoring 40-50 points. It's not like Modano played 80 games and only scored 15 points....

Well, in your scenario of 15+ points (which is laughable, but anyhow) at least they'll be paying Jagr less than Hudler to do the same thing... Jagr: TONS better option than keeping Hudler. You can keep what you're smoking, I do not indulge.

Wow.... ...when he scores 25-30 goals and has 60+ points, I wonder if people will still be acting this way?

The reason Pit really cannot offer Jagr a lot more is even with the Cap going to $64M, they only have $7M available with 6 players to sign in including Tyler Kennedy. Is Kennedy going to cost them $7m? of course not, but Detroit has $16M available and can easily go up to $3M if they wanted to. I am aboard with having Jagr here, he can't hurt this team any adn as long as someone (ahem, couch cough, Hudler, cough) is traded, we don't risk losing Miller/Mursak or Emmerton...

Not really, with the Cap going up to $64M, Holland still has $15.9M to re-sign Miller/Eaves (both of whom won't cost more than $2M combined) Wisniewski may cost between $4.5M - $5.5M but that still is only $7.5M on the high end still giving Holland $7.5M to get another defensman for around $2M or so. Still leaves $4.5M to either bring up Janik to be #7 or if he wants to overpay Ericsson. Once they trade Hudler, that'll open up $2.89M more so that will be roughly $7M to sign a UFA forward and a solid back-up goalie and a 7th defenseman... Hell, I am listening to the presser right now and Holland just said they are a team that is going to go up to the Cap and spend their money...so who knows whats coming up!?!?! (queue up a line combo) CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR FORWARDS Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Jaromir Jagr ($2.500m) Johan Franzen ($3.954m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($1.937m) Daniel Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($0.912m) / Patrick Eaves ($0.950m) Drew Miller ($0.850m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.787m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($1.875m) Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m) DEFENSEMEN Niklas Kronwall ($3.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m) Nicklas Lidstrom ($6.200m) / James Wisniewski ($5.000m) Ed Jovanovski ($3.000m) / Steve Montador ($2.250m) Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) GOALTENDERS Jimmy Howard ($2.250m) / Joe Goalie ($0.750m) SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,517,044; BONUSES: $0 CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $3,482,956 That fact that Holland says they are going to spend up to the Cap is really encouraging! I would love to see a lineup similar to this! Wiz for 5 years, Jovo and Monty for a year each, Jagr/Miller/Eaves for 2 years each. Next year throw the wallet at Suter and or Burns.... God, when you have the cash, the off season is soooo exciting!!!

Hudler produces more than Eaves/Miller IF Hudler was making Eaves/Miller money.... but he is making $2.89M, Eaves/Miller actually earn their pay, and then some, so comparably, Eaves/Miller at less than $1M PRODUCE WAY MORE than Hudler at $2.89M. If Hudler made $750,000, we wouldn't be talking about trading him. (well, I might, but that is me! )

That would be nice! If Jagr is signed, then trade for Clutterbuck, you would sacrifice Hudler and Mursak or Emmerton, but to have Clutterbuck would be awesome... Imagine a Defense with Burns/Wisniewski/Kronwall/Stuart talk about hitting! Zooie Mama!

fixed.... Great Minds Think Alike! +1,000,000 For You! Miller please....He actually earns his money... Filppula - Datsyuk - Jagr (J. Jokinen) Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Franzen Eaves - Helm - Cleary Holmstrom - Abdelkader - Miller Mursak - Emmerton Book It!

I think the Vancouver defense was exposed against Boston. You can blame some bad goals on Luongo, but he needs help. Bieska and Ehrhoff and the boys hung him out to dry more than a few times. No thanks to Bieska over Wiz, if Holland signed both then cool, but the obvious choice is obvious... Wisniewski! (plus he is right handed) SOmeone will overpay for Bieska, that someone shouldn't be Holland...

If they are starting from scratch then nearly everyone is moveable. The key as someone mentioned is that there are a lot of teams that cold "OUT TRADE" the Wings for Burns or Clutterbuck. Higher draft picks being that. Also I think if Burns were to be traded here, Smith would be leaving, which unless MInnesota just wants Hudler and Kindl () then why not wait to see if he opts for UFA after next season? This is the ultimate pipedream after net season: Stuart/Kronwall/Burns/Suter/Wisniewski/Smith. Now that is pipedreaming at it's best! But hey, Obama proved that anything is possible and yes we can! Can what? I don't know, but Yes is the answer!

I happen to believe that Kronwall will get $6M and Stuart will get $5M, add that with Wisniewski at about $5M. You could also try to get Suter for $6M-$7M... Then with Kindl/Smith and someone like Janik for the 7th D, you have roughly $26M in your D corps. Which gives you roughly $38M for your forwards, $21M is already commited, that gives you $17M to sign/re-sign/call up forawrds. You'd have Abdelkader/Helm/Miller/Eaves/Holmstrom/Bertuzzi set to become RFAs/UFAs respectively. I expect Holland would get Abby/Helm for about $2.5M combined. Emmerton and Mursak would be here on their current deals, so Holland would just have to decide on Miller/Eaves (again) and have Tatar and another UFA and/or prospect to make-up the 13/14 forwards. That is if the Cap doesn't move too much from the projected $63.5M it will be this year...(if there is a Cap.) Heck, I say this July reward Miller/Eaves with at least two year deals at about $1.8M combined, that would be less to worry about next off season.... You might even be able to offer Suter even more too! The Wings are sitting very pretty right now for next year IF Lidstrom plays only one more...That is why one year offers to a few aging vets makes a lot of sense this year to get that Cup now!

No, he is not a 1-2 guy, but if he is #4 paired up with Nick Lidstrom at #3, then he is gonna be super here. Stuart/Kronwall are your 1-2 guys, Lids (if he re-signs) is going to see less ice this year than he has in a long time. But a top 4 of Stuart/Kronwall - Lidstrom/Wisniewski is about as good as any team can ask for. Sure there are better pairs out there (Weber/Suter come to mind) but listing a top 4 that is better than that would be hard to find...

I could deal with most of your lineup, but Ericsson has been rumored to have turned down the latest offer which was supposed to be "More Than" $2M, so screw him, and I, for one, do not want to sacrifice Miller and his work ethic to keep Hudler on this team and also wouldn't want to give up Emmerton(unless he was traded.) You got Carter in a trade, but I disagree that it would require Fil, I think Hudler/prospect(Emmerton or Mursak)/pick(s) would get it, especially since Philly has to dump salary. In place of Ericsson and Salei, I chose Jovo and Montador, having Wiz and Montador would give Babcock TWO right handers on the point...

so instead of trading Hudler, you are gonna let Emmerton AND Mursak go to waivers? This is exactly what we DON'T want to happen if Jagr gets signed! Unless you are trading Hudler (or Filppula, which I am not in favor of) then DO NOT sign Jagr at the risk of throwing away Mursak and Emmerton! If you trade Hudler, you can have Jagr (who more than replaces Hudler and by a landslide (as long as he doesn't want too much)) plus have Emmerton AND Mursak on this team... (yes queue a line-up suggestion, sorry guys! ) Filppula - Datsyuk - Jagr Bertuzzi - Zetterberg - Franzen Eaves - Helm - Cleary Holmstrom - Abdelkader - Miller Mursak/Emmerton Stuart - Kronwall Lidstrom - Wisniewski Jovanovski - Montador Kindl Howard Legace (I know I know, but with all the names being thrown around as back up I figured I'd just slap his name in there because I know his Father in Law...any solid back-up will do though!) I still prefer a younger UFA like a Jussi Jokinen, but if Holland opts for Jagr, at a fair price, I can live with it...

We learned to NOT get your wrist sliced open by a hockey skate, sever some tendons and miss 3 months of the season or else "fans" everywhere will say you were a horrible signing and sucked... Jesus! Modano played 40 games and had 15 points, what does that prorate out to an 80 games season? 30 points, which is well worth $1M... We all knew he wasn't going to come here and score 50 goals. Hell Hudler played in 73 games and only had 37 points for $2.8M! I'd take Modano's 30 points (prorated) @ $1M again before I'd take Hudler's 37 points @ $2.8M... :puke:

Oh my, a grand total of -83 for stinky fish taco in this thread alone... As much as I am glad the Wings may not sign them, I am ever so grateful for the things they did for this team and city while they were part of this team! Thanks for the great times guys!

Pathetic. They riot over losing game 7 of a sporting event? Where are the riots and protests against their Government supporting a war on terror that is costing them their sons and daughters innocent lives and costing tons of money everyday? For this act of stupidity I seriously hope Vancouver NEVER gets a Stanley Cup. What were they thinking, if they riot and show how mad they are, that the NHL will say ok, lets play the game again and this time you can win...

I really love all the "love" for Wiz on here now. If this deal does come tho fruition and he signs long term, I will be very proud that I (amongst a few others) was one of the first ones to suggest singing him way back near the start of the new year! Of course I would have to fins my post from way back then to prove this, but I will just say it as fact. Not that I am gloating, but it would be sweet if FINALLY Holland signed somebody that I was hoping for, for a long time! Anyhow, Get It Done! edit: I first mentioned siging him on February 11th, 2011 in a thread called the Dreger Report. I also mention back in October that I wished the Wings would've drafted him in 2002 instead of.....hudler :puke:

Did Spuddy work with Hitch in Columbus? All though my dream assistants are Larionv, Fetisov, I know it's not going to happen, but Gallant and Hitchcock would be very nice as well...

AT ONE TIME Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney were all-stars...

Ok, gonna play the Devils Advocate here, and no I am not popping in the Keanu Reeves, Al Pacino classic, but I could see this happening here. Holland gave Modano a chance last year, unfortunately because of injury, that didn't work out. Holland loves aging vets and Jagr is still very good at what he does. Is he ready for the NHL? Not sure, but how he performed at the Worlds does show that he can still play. If Jagr came here for very little, he could be worth the gamble. He really wouldn't be taking anyone's spot, especially if Hudler gets traded. There would still be room to re-sign Miller/Eaves and room for Mursak and Emmerton. He may not be a top 6 forward anymore, but thrown on a line with Datsyuk or Zetterberg or both together and there have been many players who have done great (Cleary come to mind.) He wouldn't cost too much and then Holland can focuses on the D where it is VITAL that he not only replaces Rafalski, Salei and as it looks Ericsson, he needs to IMPROVE it substantially! If Lidstrom does indeed retire, then Holland just may need all of that extra cap space to "outbid" other teams for players that he wouldn't normally have to overpay, but he would have to get 2 or 3 defenders signed in order to improve the D. Sorry, just having Kindl, Smith, Janik and whoever else is on the farm come up would be dreadful! In my opinion Jagr would be worth the gamble....hell it cannot work out any worse than Modano did...can it?

I totally agree! Which is why I said spend most the money on making the D better, so we don't have as many third period farts...but I said IF Holland can get a goal scorer, then why not? If the D brings the GAA back up to the top 5, then adding a player that can score 30+ goals would be icing on the cake! Again, to the OP, I am not saying don't get better defensively, but after that, if we can add scoring, then do it!