LeftWinger

and for those of us that suffered thru the early 80's and all the playoff disappointments of the late 80's - early 90's.... WOW! What a run! No wonder every other hockey city in the NHL hates us! SucK it Trebek!

Well, honestly, I do believe that Fedorov was the greatest modern day Red Wing of all time, BUT watching Steve Yzerman play in the mid to late 80's, before Fedorov showed up, its hard to not put Steve in that raw talent category. If Steve didn't have the misfortune of playing his best offensive days while with a couple other guys in league (not sure, but I think they were called Gretzky and Lemieux) Yzerman EASILY would have won a few Hart trophies during that time. Top 5 Red Wings of all time are Yzerman, Fedorov, Lidstrom, Howe & Delvecchio. (not necessarily in that order) Don't look now, though, Pavel Datsyuk in currently 9th all time in Red Wings scoring with 631 points with three years left on this current contract, he will probably pass Feds up in points if he re-signs and remains a Red Wing for his entire career. I don't think he'll catch Yzerman or Howe, but he may pass Lidstrom up too, and then in ten years our debate will be who was better, Feds or Dats...

Also taking nothing away from Franzen's performance last night, 5 goals in one game is a great accomplishment. BUT (there's always a but) looking back over the highlights of Fedorov's 5 goal game, none were on a 5on3 powerplay and there was no empty net goal. Man, watching that video, I miss Sergei... We were truly blessed having him here in Detroit...

now there's a debate! I believe with 100%, that if Fedorov was a defenseman (FULLTIME) and still had all the two way dominating talent that he possessed while here, HE would be the one with all the Norris' and he would be considered better than Lidstrom. He wold also be rivaling Orr, if not have passed him up in Norris Trophy's. edit: Fedorov has 136 less Red Wing points than Lidstrom, but has played in 554 LESS Red Wing games than Lidstrom. Fedorov career average as a Red Wing is 1.05 PPG, Lidstom's is .74 PPG. I know this is comparing a forward to a defensman, but you have to believe that Fedorov would still score more points than Lids considering his offensive dominance. Being a top defender, he would also be on the ice more than he was as a forward, so you would have to factor that in too... I aint knocking Lidstrom at all, don't get me wrong.

1994.... Lindros in his prime over Fedorov at 100% full speed? No.... Remember PRE-concussion, Konstaninov made Lindros look stupid, at full speed NOBODY could touch Fedorov.

it's crazy, once they get their "payday" they get lazy... Fedorov did most of his damage at $285,000 per season. Franzen got his rep BEFORE he got his lifetime contract... hmmmm....

I'll say it for you.... Crosby... The "Diving" rule started waning when one Cindy Lee Crosby came into the league and became the poster child for abortion...er, I mean the NHL. He was diving all over the ice trying to rival Greg Luganis, and Uncle Gary and his NHL cronies couldn't go putting Crosby on the naughty list and suspending their poster child every week, hence the diving penalty became extinct. Love him or hate him, this is the reason that penalty disappeared.

I hear you on the sometimes seems lazy comparison. But even that being said, I know Sergei Fedorov, Sergei Fedorov is a friend of mine, Johan Franzen is no Sergei Fedorov... ...anyhow seriously, Fedorov made all those plays and dominated the ice in a totally different NHL, clutch and grab, impede, interfere, etc... Could you imagine Fedorov from 1994 playing in today's freestyle game? Sheesh! I do agree with the lack of effort every night comparison, BUT, when Fedorov was on, he was better than ANYONE in the league, including Greztky and Messier AND Yzerman. You cannot say the same about Franzen, even when Franzen is on, he pales in comparison to the other consistent elite players in the league. Plus, he could NEVER play as good as Feds if Franzen played in 1996, even if they were both ON that night. ...don't even get me started on the fragility of Franzen compared to Sergei....

Wow, Sabres, now Devils for sale, which one is moving west?

just like they love everyone just because they are a Red Wing, like you cannot be a fan if you don't worship all of the Red Wings, like they're omnipotent ()

"...it makes me happy!" Drake & Josh

Mr. Holland, are you listening? Aging Vet, good two way player with some Snarl, never won a Cup, league minimum.... I think this could be a smart pickup...

this is both a reply to you and the OP. Maybe Lidstrom is thinking about possibly signing in Nashville next season, then we'll see him play with Weber! That would be the easiest way to get them together! (I joke, I joke!)

Noone, just would like some change. I will take the 4 cups I've witnessed over some song changes...

I loved how Lee Norwood was called Hack N Whack. You got Oatsie, Burrsy, Yzerman was also called Silk, Hanlon was called the Fly, Gallant was Spudsie...

The worst team in Wings history? 1990-91 76 points, 1991-92 98 points, 1992-93 103 points.... HARDLY the worst teams in Wings history... That honor goes to Greg Stefan and Mark LaForest 1985-86 40 points... *see your last line of your post.... perhaps you should look it up...

Oxymoron....

...a bit on topic though, it would be kinda funny if after the opposing team lost, the Joe played the Willy Wonka Rant from the end of the movie: "You Get Nothing! You Lose! Good Day Sir! I said GOOD DAY SIR!"

Thats good! But honestly, I can't get tanked with my three kids (12, 7 and 3) with me... But compared to most Arena's around the league, the Joe is pretty quiet...

...I don't think ANY nationality should be putting that anywhere near his mouth!

I guess as long as you define "This is a Red Wings game" as a boring yawn fest, because that is what most fans do, sit on their hands and text on their phones... I understand the generic label, but dang it, play something that is gonna pump up the crowd, not the same old Motown track....

Oh yea! I was so disgusted by Nicky, that I forgot about the N...

it's UNCANNY! Willie Cleary!

I absolutely HATE that! I though Daniel Cleary was weird sounding, but Danny reminds me of little Ronnie Howard.... I also HATE Bill Clements, Nicky Lidstrom, thank God that jackass is off the air!

Ya :puke: How about an Irishman because he is great and can shoot the lights out? Not just to hear a stupid little jig musical after a goal! Franzen Scores! - Cue up Edgar Winters Frankenstein Adbelkader scorers! - Bill Haileys See ya later Alligator! Hudler - Who am I kidding, Hudler doesn't score... Lidstrom! - Santa Claus is coming to town! Holmstrom! - The Police, Demolition Man! Perhaps the best that is the worst, Mursak scores! - The theme to Miami Vice or Crocketts Theme (Jan Hammer stick with me here) PA.THE.TIC