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Hopefully NOT Jack Johnson, because the Kings are improving a little bit, so now Maybe Stuart would want to go back "Home" and waive his NTC and get US Jack Johnson!

along with the Flames and Sharks! AMEN! (Hopefully it's not us elimnating them though, I'd like to be 100% for the Finals this time...)

Yeah, because that is why players come to Detroit, for the Money... I think our entire team may be grosly underpaid compared to what they can get open market, they come here to win, sometimes they leave for more money (Hossa, Lapointe-less, Sammy) or for more icetime (Fedorov) or they just can't hang with the big boys anymore (Kopecky.) I don't remember calling you about anyone, especially Hossa, but ya, you offense got a little better, Hossa will probably get a few more points than Havlat did. Your concerns over Huet are warrented, and oh yeah, you Still have Seive Campbell (oh I am sorry I got him confused with Liev Campbell although if the shoe fits, make scrambled eggs!) and lost Matt Walker... You're right though, in 10-11 months we will see who is going to the SCF's. And we will see if the Snap, Krackle actually Pops tomorrow morning too!

Well, Dandy is like a more experienced Meech, but if did he come back he couldn't have #11, he'd have to turn it around like Hos.... oh, oops! Hmmm, Bertuzzi, I don't know... Hungry for a Cup, of course, what Candian boy isn't? Gritty, ok, I'll give him that, tough, not anymore, he is afraid to punch anyone anymore. He's one of thse guys that doesn't look good in the Winged Wheel, sorta like Hatcher and Krupp, they just look funny... Uwe Krapp shouldn't even been allowed to touch that Cup after the garbage he pulled that year!

That is why I would only offer Moen $1.25 or $1.5. If he gets more somewhere else good on him! Same reason Hudler shouldve jumped at Hollands (alleged) $2.5M offer. Now He will go to arbitration, WIN, get a $3.0M award and get released because Holland cannot pay him $3.0M

Hmmmm, how long have you been a Hawks fan? For life? So you knew about a little Icon you had prior to the 199 trade deadlie right? If no, his name was Chris Chelios, he wore #7, he was your Captain, he has all kinds of records (or did) for the Hawks, he was born in Chicago, his parents still live there (btw, real classy to boo them too.) Yeah, I would say Chicago treated him as an Icon as well. Probably more than they'll ever treat Kane (unless he stays around 9 or so years, then he might hit Chelios status.) As far as "emerging Threats" Hmmmmmm, first you say we cannot pay him enough to get him here, now you say LMAO to Phoenix and Florida, and insinuate that he would go o St. Louis because they are an emerging threat. Make up your mind, is he going to get paid or win? If he's all about the Cash, he'll go ANYWHERE to get paid, even Phoenix if they paying. If he wants to win, he will consider his best options and compile a list to give to his agent with about 5 or 6 teams he'd go to. ANd like most, if not ALL players "lists" Detroit will be on there. If you doubt, just go back a look at Dany Heatly's little list to for an appetizer.... Thanks for playing....

I read that masturbation makes you go blind... Dude, get with the verbage! he is not going to say to a Hawks friendly newspaper (who are mostly always anti-Detroit anything) "Oh when I played in my pajamas I just loved rooting for the Red Wings! I hated the Hawks they stunk when I was 16..." I can guarantee, if a Detroit news paper interviewed him, he would say how he enjed his time here and rspected the City and the hospitality his"Hockey Family" showed him and the times he spent down at the Joe you now he went to watch a game or 10) He throughly enjoyed himself and loved wtching the likes of Steve Yzerman and Nick Lidstrom play... He only "Hates" the Wings now because that is the cool thing to do in Chicago, if you don't hate detroit, then get out! And when you come back, we'll Boo You!

may be a bad idea considering they'd prolly be getting the 28th, 29th or 30th in each round! Awww, poor little Hawks fan still upset tht Chelios had more suces here in the D? Awww, no way Kane would ever go play with the big bad Wings! I would just hate them if the took Kane from us, and we would boo him! Yeah, we'd boo him! that would teach him a lesson! He would never go pay there cause no matter how many cups he'd win, we'd boo him! and little kaner is so sensative, he would go sit on the bench and feel shame, and ask uncle Gary if he can go back and play with the good boys, he tired of wnning and being boo'd. We'll boo him! That'll get him! Even if we trade him away, we'll boo him! Nobody can chnage his diaper but us, we're hawks fans and we haven't won since 1961! He's ours and we'll boo him and yell at him and and and boo him! I am glad you CAN imagine him rolling in the dough with us, but realistically, we could not afford to pay another forward $6-$7 million (or more) per season, we're about depth, we're not about losing the likes of Datsyuk or Zetterberg for your litte Kaney Waney, you can lose him to Phoenix or Florida or St. Louis...

true, but you know as well as we all do, that is everyones first excuse. The Wings? They're old! They won't be able to lift the Cup with their canes and walkers! Ironic that the Wings are now getting younger each day (and still getting over 100 points and challenging for the Cup) as all the Young teams are getting older! Plus I just love making fun of little Neddy Neiderpuken... that saucy, naught little devil... bad neddy....bad...

For the Love of Pete, give the Hudler talk a rest! At least Hudler opted for arbitration rahter than sign the very lucritive $2.5M contract... And only a fool would think Hudler is going to be a 2nd line scorer here when MoEn could easily be on the third line before Hudler makes the 2nd. They are in the same stratosphere, what MoEn lacks in scoring he makes up in grit and defense and hitting and winning battles in the corners and in front of the net, NONE of which Hudler can do... Yea, everyone is talking grit, the Wings made it to the finals back to back and lost to skill squad, only because the likes of Anaheim tore them up, Chicago physically punished them and by time they got to Gill and Orpik, they got thrown around like they were ragdolls. All with their grit and checking and winning battles in the corners AND in front of the net. Yeah, Wings are tough, but not tough enough to handles three out of four hard hitting pounding the rock, check fest! Hudler is of NO help in series' like those, and he proved it... And please do trust Holland, tht is what he gets paid for, and when Hudler gets awarded a $3.0m salary, I trust and you can trust Holland will bid him a fond farewell!

It's hard to imagine that he played with anyone in the minors that even remotely compares to playing with the likes of Filppula, Franzen, Zetterberg and Dastyuk, Lidtsrom & Rafalski for an entire 82 game season...

But he's Old Now? Uh, Lidstrom is still the greatest. The centerpiece of our franchise? So what are Zetterberg/Datsyuk/Franzen/Rafalski/Kronwall? Lazy Susan's to Nick centerpiece? Dude is Lidstrom is "Old Now" Scottie Neiderpu$$y is ancient, at least he plays that way compared to Nick. (and what about Selanne? 39 just like Nick, is he "Old Now?" Probably not.) Neither Selanka or Neiderpunka$$ could hold Lidstroms toilet paper, they'd be priviledged to drink Nicks bath water. I think 6 out the last 8 Norris Trophies have proven who the best Defensman is modern times is. No, it's not Pronger ( oh wait you guys hate that cheapshot artist now, funny how that works, do yo ustill subscribe to his theory of genetics or do you finally admit the hit on Holmstrom was dirty?) anyway, it's not Neiderpupin, it's not Bos***man either. Nick Lidstrom sets the standard in the NHL of a true two way defensman. The way he plays, so smooth and effortless he could play until he is 50. I can think of 29 other teams that right now would give Lidstrom top dollar AND their left nuts to have him on thier team (and if you can't add, that includes your team as well.) Now, go back home and just watgch your little Neddy Neiderpiper play again for another year. He'll take cheapshots and elboews and liberties on everyone and pick on smaller European forwards and you guys will just love him to death, yes you will, MMm MMM Mmmmm MMMMUH! Pinch his little cheeks, look at him, he's so naughty, he's a naughty little boy, he's dirty, you dirty little Neiderhosen you... Naughty... Dude, spare us with the Old Wings we avergage 30.15 and you 28.03. Wow two years and some change! And if I factored in Abdelkader and Oulehan, it would lower even more, so the Old Wings are no more. Seasoned Veterens, I will agree. Besides I can bet my house that Lidstrom has NEVER, EVER thrown a cheap elbow like Neideeymeijer does, in his career, and probably never will... Go Home,

How do we know for sure Michael jackson is dead? How do we know for sure we went to the moon? How do we know that Slim Jims are made of real meat? We don't. Bottom line is none of us "know" anything when it comes down to it, if we did, we'd be in Ken Holland's place, and not even he knows whats gonna happen. How do we know the sun will rise tomorrow? What I do know is despite our bickering back and forth I respect the hell out of you for your love of this team and your favorite players, I apologize for the "relieving your stress" comment (although it probably did sound fun :LOL) but serious I don't purposely try to offend anyone on here, but sometimes (a lot of times) it happens. You can ask a whole bunch of people on here how I was just a couple of seasons ago when I had a lot of personal problems, I was probably 1000 times worse then anything you've read from me...Yikes! But again I will say, for the sake of Hudler fans, I hope he does the right thing for him, whether that is staying here cheap, or getting his payday, he will always have fans. Just not me (and just so you know it's not just Hudler, I have never liked McCarty or LaPointe either. And even though I am a friend of Manny Legace's father-in-law, BLEH!)

Well geez Debbie Downer! If we never assume things will get better then what is there to look forward to? Geez, lets go and get Yzerman and Shanahan and Fedorov and Larionov back. Hey if you go to sleep tonight, you are doing so assuming your are going to wake up. Ask Mr. Mays about that! (no offense to Billy, may he RIP) but there is no guarantee. There is no guarantee Zetterberg won't tank this season. Or Osgood won't have another season like last regualr season. There are no guarantees, just hope and trust. TRUST the fact that Kenny and his boys know or knew what they were doing when they drafted and signed all these youngsters and HOPE that it all works out! Like it or not, the "CORE" isn't getting any younger... YOUTH GONE WILD! Oh, and if Moen gets PP time and maybe 2nd line minutes once in a while, he could easily score 10-15 playing for the Wings...

Yes, I think it actually does.... "Where are your God Damn Brains Boy!?!?!" Not sure if this is real, but still side spilitting!

HI HI HUDLER! You are needed..... Not For $3.0m though...

I don't like Hudler, because he's Hudler. I've never liked him, never will, he could scoe 93 goals and I will still never like him. That being said, I have maintained all along that he is worth $3 or more million, just not with our limited cap space, but he could surely get it elsewhere, and I hope he does. And yes, if the Wings ink Leino for 2 more years and he puts up Hudler points in those two year, he will also be worth $3 or more million and we may be facing yet another free agent we may be asking to take discount to stay, or move on if he wants huge pay dirt. Sure my thoughts on Leino are MAYBE's, but Hudler is ALSO a maybe next year as well, MAYBE his huge disappointing playoff are a sign of things to come, maybe the buttend to his head messed him up. Maybe he is a little more scared than he used to be, it's all maybe, maybe we sign him $3 million and he sucks up the ice and only gets 25 points, maybe he gives us a discount and signs for $1.5 and hits 75 points, and then again the next year and when he becomes a UFA, we may be asking him again to take a discount, or maybe he'll be getting a "career" contract like Franzen and he'll get the big bucks. I don't like him, but it doesn't mean I don't see what he can possibly turn into, I just think he should realize our limied cap space and sign a short contract for a low cap hit. BUt with the rumor that he turned down Hollands offer of $2.5m, I think he is being an idiot and needs to move on. He is worth and can get $3m PLUS, but somewhere else where he can be afforded, that is, unfortunately the Cap Era. No more dynasty's... I hope he gets $4m somewhere, it would be great for him and his fans who will watch and root for him whereever he goes, even if it is the KHL...

Leino scored 5 goals in 13 games for us, prorate that and its 31 goals over an 82 game season. I have no doubt that Helm could score 15-20 in 82 games as well. If we sign Moen there is another 10-15 playing with Helm or being a big body on the PP. Even if Leino only nets 25 that is still 51 goals on the lower estimate for these guys (OK, Moen isn't signed yet, YET, but even Abby could possibly net 10) Expect increases from Zetterberg and Datyuk when they reunite and you can give Cleary a few more playing with them. Franzen and Filppula should breakout even more. Sooner or later (with the cap it's looking like sooner) the kids are going to be here. They are ready, we are ALL ready. Youth Gone Wild!

Boy, considering the talent we've lost (and when we lose Hudler & gain Moen (sorry until its out of the question, I am holding out hope.)) but considering ourt lossess, even losing the Cup, I am getting more and more excited everyday the season draws closer! Helm/Ericsson/Leino/Abdelkader/Oulahen! It just looks up and up for the Wings each year! Cannot wait until NEXT off season when Holmstrom, Maltby, Lilja & Lids come off the books! Our RFA's will be Tardiff/Ritola/Ryno/Meech/Helm/Kindl/Larsson/Kolosov ALL of which will be easily signed, with Helm probably getting the largest raise of them all... Probably with Ritola/Ryno/Kindl/Kolosov challenging for Detroit spots next! GD! Comig Soon, Youth Gone Wild!

very interesting, thank you... So WTF are we gonna do with Oulahen? Nobody has really even fatored him in until now... With Hudler wanting more than $2.5m (especially since Sammy got $2.5 and Clowe got $3.5, he should get more) I cannot see how we can sign him now... So if they release him, he would be UFA, then no draft pick(s)?

With Sammy getting $2.5m and Clowe getting $3.5m, I cannot see Hudler siging for less than $3.0m somewhere. He actually outscored Clowe goal wise and point wise, I realize they are two differen types of players, but numbers are numbers, stats are stats. Hudler SHOULD get $3.0 to $3.5, but maybe he'll take $2.0 or less to stay here... Doubt it... My question is still out there, if an arbitrator awards Hudler $3.0 or more, does Holland have to sign him or can he let him walk? And does that make him a UFA at that point?

You already said Oulahen is out of options, first of all, how is that determined, I wouldn't mind knowing for myself when a player is out of options, TIA. Second, is Tardiff also out of options in the minors?

Here's The NEW Roster: (NOT ACTUAL LINE COMBOS) Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 - Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 - Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 - Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 - Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 - * Travis Moen $1,500,000 - * Ville Leino $950,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 - Justin Abdelkader $850,000 - * Ryan Oulahen $600,000 Darren Helm $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 - Brian Rafalaski $6,000,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 - Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Andreas Lilja $1,250,000 - Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 If you like line combos, then here: Cleary - Zetterberg - Datsyuk Leino - Filppula - Franzen Moen - Helm - Homstrom Maltby - Draper - Abdelkader Oulahen (he and Maltby can rotate in an out 13th forward) Lidstrom - Rafalski Stuart - Kronwall Lilja - Ericsson Meech (Trade Lebda to Phoenix or Florida or Isles for a 3rd or 4th round pick) Osgood Howard

Well, in 13 games with Detroit last season he score 5g and 4a with 9points. Average that out over 82 games, 31g 25a 56points.... BYE BYE HUDLER! You are not needed....

I think Moen will sign with Detroit and Marleau will get traded for draft picks...