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Michael Peca

I know the flaming is coming, but think about the kind of person Holland is looking for, pretty much a 4th line grinder, with some "grit" someone begging for a Cup (don't think he has won yet, could be wrong,) someone who will come cheap, $1.2M or less to help shore up the penalty killing and shutdown the oppositon. A veteren with playoff experience and leadership skills who is a great lockeroom guy, think about that guy, then look at the leftover UFA's, I know we've mentioned everyone from Tanguay to Jason Ward from Travis Moen to Stephan Yelle. Unfortunately, and this is not me saying he is "the guy," but unfortuantely the guy that fits that description is Michael Peca. With all the younsters going to be in and out of the lineup this year, I can see Holland signing Peca as an anchor on the 4th line OR possibly 3rd. I know nobody wants to admit it, but that exactly what Holland is looking for. I am still hoping for Moen, but once again, Holland is looking for a 1 year contract, chance to win and then out. I think Moen is probablyh looking for more of a 3-5 year one. We know Holland by now, this is what he does. Would you be upset if the annoucment came, Detroit Signs Peca to a 1yr $1.2M contract? And where would you put him with Helm or Draper? (maybe this should be its thread, but I knwo everyone is getting tired of the "What about JOE UFA?" threads, so I figured I would interject Peca's name here. Sorry if it "derails" Afiniganov, but we all know Holland is looking for a 1 (year) and done scenario.) What I did was trade Meech (who knows which of will be traded Meech/Lebda/Lilja) I chose Meech, the only differnece is more leftover cap space. I also brought Abby up ( I know he is pegged to spend most of the year in GRR, if you son't count him maybe you can add another sub-million dollar player as a UFA, whatever. Also I resigned Ouhalen to a 2 year $500,000 each contract and gave him a spot. Which (to most of your liking,) pushed Maltby to the 13th position. Cleary - Zetterberg - Datsyuk Franzen - Filppula - Leino Abby - Helm - Holmstrom Ouhlena - Draper - Peca Maltby Dunno, but I think this is the type of UFA Holland will sign, nobody really under 30...

These guys are rare. I remember that he was pegged to be the next Captain here after YZerman, then Boston came around! Damn you Boston! I think if he stayed in Detroit, he may still be playing! Hell they gave McCarty another shot, how bout Marty? He could be your $500,000 player! (I jest, I Jest!)

pound for pound, the toughest guy on that team! ANother one of the RARE first round picks for Detroit, Hmmmm, wonder how that leafs guy that did the blog on Detroit drafting feels about the Detroits 1991 first round?

What about finding a guy that plays like this guy: Ya I know, Wings won without someone like that, BUT on a financial point fo view, this kind of play and players sticking up for theor teammates puts a$$ess in the seats (and note the dollar signs, it puts that in the pocket of Ilitch too!) Yay, the crowd didn't like that punch! Geez! Where can we find another guy like this. I was never a huge Lapointe fan, but in my opinion I wish the Wings could've kept him over McCarty. When he left for the bucks, he was never the same!

Yeah, remember Robin BigSnake?

Not if he is gonna come back when there is more Cap... of course you didn't say your were getting rid of #26, just getting a new one for next year... Hmmmm, whose would be cool to have, without getting the obvious....Hmmmmm.... How about Helm? Those will never go out of style!

...it was only on the 2nd page, but now it's here! I would love Tanguay on this team, BUT, we only have $2.5M left and even if he took it, there'd only be 11 forwards, just like if Hudler signed for $2.5m. Tanguay is definately worth more, but we don't have the cap room. Now if Holland would be willing to move salary to sign him, cool, but who? REALISTICALLY, who do you move? It would have to be for picks, cannot take on MORE salary. So, Lebda and Meech basically. Don't think we could trade Lilja, wouldn't want to ditch Filppula for Tanguay, so who? But, as the summer goes on, people are going to come cheaper, who knows?

isn't it obvious? If you have a different opinion about someone's "player" it sucks and you don't know what you are talking about. Much like when I say I don't like Hudler, the Hudler-lovers tell me my opinion stinks, and thats fine, thats their opinion that he is good, do I balst them personally because they like him? No, I try to explain things but I "should try humility." But its ok for the same people to blast Hossa for not taking 50% of his market worth to stay here. You are wrong for your Support of Hudler getting a fair contract and I am wrong for my lack of support for Hudler. Sometimes I don't even know why we bother, oh thats right, because its a public forum where you can post your personal opinions on things! If we wanted to go to a forum where all you read is how awesome your team is and how all players should come here and never leave and when they do, they suck, they are backstabbers, and everyone agreed with everyone... we would go to LetsGoPens. I am glad Hudler is gone, but would I have been happy if he would have signed a cap friendly contract? Yes, but $5M U.S. Tax FREE? You'd have to be an idiot to not take that! He wasn't gtting that from ANYONE in the NHL... Wow!, whats the NHL compensation for signing for $5M if say the Isles would've signed him for that?

Ya, but have you ever seen his wife?!!!!??? WHoa!! She is Jenny McCarthy's sister, Amy and she is Smokin!

Ok, well, lets just leave it at, I never liked Hudler, never cheered for him, wished he wouldn't have been so greedy, and I am glad he's gone. Oh yeah, and I hope he doesn't come back...

It is unlikely you would understand, I dont even talk to him about it, but, I cannot say things to him because I cannot pinpoint any reason why I dislike Hudler either, so I just leave it alone....

Why? Because everyone who has every played for the Red Wings is God? I should Idolize Hudler because he has good stats? I am not allowed to dislike someone because he plays for the Wings? I have disliked Hudler ever since he became a Detroit Red Wing, so it's wrong that I (yes in the minority) don't like him still? "look at me!" I have been saying all month that, YES, Hudler is worth a lot more than he can make here in Detroit, BUT if he wants to stay, he knows he'll have to "take less" which seems to be the motto here in Hockeytown. Everyone jumped all over Hossa because he wouldn't play here for almost half of what he is worth, but God forbid I (and a few others) get mad at Hudler because he will not do the same? What makes Hudler any more special than Hossa, or Zetterberg or Lidstrom or Datsyuk or Franzen? They ALLL "took less" to play here, and Hudler refused. So in his world, the good of the one outweighs the good of the many, which is fine, go make all the money you can, I don't blame him for wanting top dollar. He wasn't going to get it here. I just never liked him and am VERY happy that the clucking idiot is gone. (for now) Not everyone that plays for the Wings is God dude, a lot of people liked Hudler, some didn't. I know a guy that cannot stand Nick Lidstrom, he is no less a fan of the Wings, he just is not a Lidstrom fan. Just because they wear the Wheel, doesn't mean everyone has to like them. ...but for you, "oh, I am so sad! Another mighty Wing has left! Oh, woa is me, how is my life gonna be the same without Hudler on the Wings, oh boo hoo, boo hoo, boo....hoo...hoo" Good Luck Hudler, even though you should have taken less to stay here, I still think... nahm who am I kidding, I still never liked you and never will!

Damn It! I go out of town and this happens! Figures I'd miss it, but: :banana: :carrot: :band: And for those of you who though Hudler was a team player and would give Holland a break to help him ice a FULL roster an the best team possible (Hudler is a greedy sonuvabeep!) He knows the Cap situation, but still wants Filppula type money (or more.) So to those of you who still sympathize with a LOSER: :nopity: and a great big I Told You So! Now we can ice a a full team, instead of ONE greedy person taking up 90% of the cap space!

Long list, but I remember someone asking if there was a way to see who could potentially be an UFA in the 2010 off season:

I've said all along, Hudler @ $1.5 to $2.0m is awesome ON THE WINGS with their cap issues. He is worth WAAAAAY more on the open market, I only hope they can find a happy place 1. so we can see what he can do as he gets older and 2. LEAVES ENOUGH CAP SPACE TO COMPLETE OUR FORWARD RANKS! you cannot play the game with 11 forwards with no room for callups...

oh, I know he is due a raise, I think I gave him one at $2.5m (which would still be hurting us.) Do you tink he'll get more than $2.5?

ok, Hudler (RFA) $3.0m or Latendresse (RFA) last year made $880,000, would you give him $2.0 to come here? He had 26 points in 56 games, if he had played 82 games he may be near 57 points that Hudler had.

Does anyone remember what the process was called when teams used to be able to demand players in return for signing FA's? Like when Pronger signed in St. Louis Hartford was awarded Shanahan in return and when we signed Troy Crowder, even though they asked for Probert in return, Jersey was awarded Dave Barr and Randy McKay... It was like some kind of trade arbitrator or something, but I just cannot remember the term used when the team ask for a player and either received him or was awarded something more evenly exchanged...

That just tells you that 5 on 5 we were virtually unbeatable, if we take care of the PK, we're golden! or should I say Silver!

One of the best leaders in the game! Professional to the nth degree, not like: ..its too bad we are losing leaders like Messier, Yzerman, Sakic and soon Lidstrom and gaining garbage like Cindy. Do you think his dad taught him to act like that on the ice?

Question: What would be better for a Stanley Cup run? Hudler at $3.0m or Rob Neidermayer at $2.5M?

Exactly! But, in Brad McCrimmon up to the task? I say hire Chelios or try to intice Jaques LEmaire to come here to be the Defense coach...

Well at least that would clear the room. I wouldn't, but that is me, BUT at least you are not like the other Hudler-maniacs living the pipedream that we can trade only Lebda or Meech and still sign Hudler.

just where do you plan on getting the cap space to give him "close" to $3m, out of your ass? We cannot even give him $2.5 without handcuffing this team. NOT ENOUGH MONEY TO ICE A FULL TEAM... Hudler better be unique in the way that he signs a deal between $1.5 and $2.0 so he can play on a winnig team that actually has 13 forwards and 7 defensmen in stead of 11 forwards and 8 defensmen... I don't care if Hudler is worth $10million on the open market, we need to fill 3 forwards postions with roughly $2.5 million dollars, if he wants money, he needs to move on or give us a discount for one season and wait until there is more ap available for him...