LeftWinger

:puke: Huds failed more miserably in the playoffs! Hossa @ $6 milllion is far better than Hudler @ $10.00, yes thats ten dollars. Hudler... BYE BYE!

There are four things that are the absolute best days events in sports today. For me, bigger than the Super Bowl, bigger than the World Cup, larger than the World Series, more poweful than a locomotive. They are Hoisting the Stanley Cup, NHL Trade Deadline, July 1st and draft day!

My dream scenario would've have been trade the rights to Hudler, Kronwall, this years 1st, 2nd, 3rd round picks and possibly another propect (and since this Hossa thing isn't going to work, his rights too) to Tampa for their 2nd overall and drafted Hedman... ...of course I would have also let thes rest of our UFA's walk, re-sig Leino and use the $7 million in cap space to bring up Helm/Ericsson/Abby. I woud let Howard go, and sign Roloson (sp) to back up Osgood cheap! Then fill out the forwards by signing somone like Travis Moen and Chad LaRose for total of $2.5 million. I would trade Lebda or Meech for a draft pick, lets go with Meech because he'd get us a higher pick, lets say a 3rd rounder. That would make Maltby your 13th forward and Lebda your 7th defensman. Thus leaving $1.3M for injury call-ups. Here is a look: (not actual line combos) FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk ($6.7m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.1m) / Johan Franzen ($4.0m) Daniel Cleary ($2.8m)/Valtteri Filppula ($3.0m) /* Ville Leino ($0.9m) * Chad Larose ($1.25m) / Kris Draper ($1.6m) / * Travis Moen ($1.25m) Justin Abdelkader ($0.8m) / Darren Helm ($0.6m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($2.2m) Kirk Maltby ($0.9m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($7.5m) / Brian Rafalaski ($6.0m) Brad Stuart ($3.8m) / Andreas Lilja ($1.2m) * Victor Hedman ($0.9m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.9m) Brett Lebda ($0.7m) GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood ($1.4m) / * Dwayne Roloson ($1.0m) CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS ROSTER: 22; PAYROLL: $55.5m; CAP ROOM: $1.3m

Actually, I believe the latest is if Hossa doesn't agree by tonight, his rghts will be traded somewhere, so Holland gets something out of the deal. I'd take a nice trade like the Bouwmeester (sp) deal. Another UFA looking for a modest raise to about $1.5M and a 2nd round pick! From someone like Minn or LA that could be another high second rounder!

WRONG COWBOY!!!! We have $3.3 million RIGHT NOW and that is with Helm/Howard/Ericsson on the roster. That's 9 forwards, 8 D-men and 2 goalies. re-sign Leino at a MODEST raise of $950,000 drops it down to roughly $2.3 million. If you plan on being able to call up Abby throughout the year, knock another $850,000 off of that, equalling $1,529,347 TO PLAY WITH! If you don't want Abby up you have $2.3 to play with. Get a frickin clue.... So, that gives you 11 forwards, 8 defense, 2 goalies with $1.5m to add ONE player. Do you suck up all your cap space with Hudler or Sammy? Hudler will get offers of at least $2m elsewhere so you'd have to give him the entire amount, and since he already made $1.1 last season, he may be looking for a bit more of a raise than $400,000. Sammy the same way, he made $1.2m last season. You have to choose one of them or none of them and go with new blood to fill out 13 forwards. Now if you leave Abby down in GRR, you could spend the entire $2.3m on both of them, but they'd get no raises. For my money, Abby should be hear over Sammy, and Sammy would stay before Hudler ONLY because losing Sammy you get nothing, losing Hudler you at least get a draft pik or two as compensation... My prefernce, let them both go and get some New Blood in here for the $1.5m. Then you have 4 solid lines with Meech acting as your 13th F and 8th D. Lebda will be your 7th, unless Lilja is LTIR, in which it gives you another $1.25 added to the original $3.3, but Lilja will probably be back, so you don't want to waste up that space and be hoggtied midway through the season having to dump salary... So, no cowboy, we don't have $4m, we have $1.5m. Unless you want a roster of only 18 skaters. That is why if Hossa sign's someone in the $3million range is going to have to be traded, along with losing the rest of our UFA's and Hudler, so we can fill out our roster with cheap dollar players. Nothing personal against Hudler, just business-wise it makes more sense to get compensated than not.

If Hossa goes, we'll have roughly $1.5million to play with (unless Lilja is on LTIR) then lets say $2.75million. But since Lilja will probably be back sometime, lets go with the $1.5. Would any of those guys get more than $1million elsewhere?

I am sure Janet Jones to this day is still banned from Alberta and possibly all of Canada! (except Calgary of course!)

so, with that being the case, the Wings only have a cap space of $2.3 million left so, someone bewtween the $2 and $3 million range has got to go. More so the $3 million.

sure, but what GM's DO DO is to know when another team is handcuffed and HAS to move the player because of certain situations. If $3 million gets you a seond rounder then why on earth would a team offer that same 2nd rounder when they could just wait and give up the 2nd rounder anyway? Anyhow,I know what you are saying, but it's called lowballing, same reason the Blue Jackets asked for so much for Fedorov,then took pennies on the Holland dollar from Washington. Whatever, bottom line is he is not going to be here if he wants a significant raise, the Wings just simply cannot afford it. Neither is Kopy or Sammy.... Bring on the kids I guess!

ok, what exactly do we know abou this $4-$5 MILLION? Is that the actual salary or is that the Cap hit? If it's the actual salary for 10 years, then what, I wonder is the Cap hit? Because even if Abby stays in GRR, we still only have $2.3million in cap space after losing Sammy/Kopy/Hudler AND bringing up Helm/Ericsson/Howard and resigning Leino at $950,000. If $4-$5 million is the cap hit, someone around $3 million has got to go, in order to sign Hossa and be able to bring up Abby throughout the season.... ...hmmmmmm, interesting....

ok, lets use that logic: (and capgeek) 2009-2010 Detroit Red Wings FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk $6,700,000 Henrik Zetterberg $6,083,333 Johan Franzen $3,954,545 Valtteri Filppula $3,000,000 Daniel Cleary $2,800,000 Tomas Holmstrom $2,250,000 * Jiri Hudler $2,000,000 Kris Draper $1,583,333 * Ville Leino $950,000 Kirk Maltby $883,333 Darren Helm $599,444 DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom $7,450,000 Brian Rafalaski $6,000,000 Brad Stuart $3,750,000 Niklas Kronwall $3,000,000 Andreas Lilja $1,250,000 Jonathan Ericsson $900,000 Brett Lebda $650,000 Derek Meech $483,333 GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood $1,416,666 Jimmy Howard $716,666 ROSTER SIZE 21 SALARY CAP $56,800,000 PAYROLL $56,420,653 BONUS MONEY (ESTIMATED) (0% of cap) $0 CAP ROOM $379,347 CAP ROOM PER OPEN SPOT $189,674 AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES FORWARDS Pavel Datsyuk ($6.7m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.1m) / Johan Franzen ($4.0m) Valtteri Filppula ($3.0m) / Daniel Cleary ($2.8m) / Tomas Holmstrom ($2.2m) * Jiri Hudler ($2.0m) / Kris Draper ($1.6m) / * Ville Leino ($0.9m) Kirk Maltby ($0.9m) / Darren Helm ($0.6m) DEFENSEMEN Nicklas Lidstrom ($7.5m) / Brian Rafalaski ($6.0m) Brad Stuart ($3.8m) / Niklas Kronwall ($3.0m) Andreas Lilja ($1.2m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($0.9m) Brett Lebda ($0.7m) / Derek Meech ($0.5m) GOALTENDERS Chris Osgood ($1.4m) / Jimmy Howard ($0.7m) ...so giving Huds $2million (your minimum) Leino a modest raise to $950,000. Brining up Helm/Ericsson/Howard permanently. Leaves you (see above) $379,347,with only 11 forwards! Pencil Meech in as the 13th, who are you gonna get for $379,000? Nobody. Not even Abby. Like I said Hudler or Sammy at $1.1 AND bring up Abby, fine, but if either want more (not that they are not worth more, just not with our space) then let the go. Bring Up Abby for the 11th spot and Meech can be the 13th, you'll have $1.5 for a UFA to fill the 12th forward position, like I said if Sammy or Huds takes it, I guess I am fine, but maybe find someone a little hungrier for the $1.5....

I know the D is "set" according to Holland, but Scuderi only made $725,000 last season and he is looking for a significant raise. Does anyone know what Pit can afford to pay him under the Cap? If we don'tr re-sign Hossa, we could more than double his salary to $1.5 million and still have $3.0 million or so to re-sign Leino and possibly two other UFA's. Lids - Rafi Stuart - Kronwall Ericsson - Scuderi (Lebda - Lilja - Meech) If Lilja is Healthy, deal Lebda or Meech, if not, then deal Lebda or Meech

What a waste of cap space that would be! Plus that would tie up all the remaining space! Plus Abby is stuck inG all season barring LTIR. Plus meech will be your 13th forward AND 7th defensman (if Lilja cannot play) LET HUDLER WALK FOR ANYTHING OVER $1.1million... (not that he is not worth it, he is worth $3m or more, but not with our limited cap space, don't wanna use the entire cap on Hudler and have no room for call ups.)

Isn't that something? Offer Sheet (AAV) $994,433 or below None (compensation) $994,433 -to- $1,506,717 3rd Round Pick $1,506,718 -to- $3,013,433 2nd Round Pick $3,013,434 -to- $4,520,150 1st, 3rd $4,520,151 -to- $6,026,867 1st, 2nd, 3rd $6,026,868 -to- $7,533,584 (2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd Over $7,533,585 - and up (4) 1st Round Picks ...I would still take the 2nd round pick over signing him at $1.5. If you try to trade him, you prolly won't get more than a 3rd round offer. Just let him test the market and get what you can in return. Holland can make the best of a 2nd rounder, just look at the two he got this year. Especially if he gets a high second rounder again! I agree though, nobody is going to offer enough to him to give up a 1st and 3rd. May as well make plans on having two (or three if Hossa gets a 2nd in return) 2nd round picks next year. I, for one, think Holland would be dangerous with three 2nd round picks!

If Hossa would'n't have taken a pay cut (technically) to play here, we wouldn't have had his 40 last season, so the 80 goal argument is crap. We cannot afford Hossa. Get over him. Unless he takes the $4 to $5 million cap hit, lets move on... If you re-sign Leino at a modest raise taking him to $950,000, then you bring up Helm, Howard & Ericsson permanently, without adding Abdelkader you have approx. $2.3million to play with. Here is the roster so far: (line combos are not set, just listing names) Dats - Zett - Holm Clear - Flip - Franzen Leino - Helm - ???? Maltby - Draper - ???? ???? Lids - Rafi Stu - Kron Erics - Lilja (assuming he can play) Lebda Meech ...if Lilja can play then Meech can act as your 13th forward, that still leaves $2.3m to play with, Hudler will probably get $2m somewhere, that will only leave you $300,000 for a UFA and never be able to bring up Abby. (barring a LTIR) Unless you can get two UFA's for $2.3m you have to bring Abby up, that knocks your cap room available to $1.5m. If you could get new blood for that or re-sign Sammy, doesn't matter, point is Hudler, unless he takes $1m to $1.5m, is gone... 1st two lines unchanged Leino - Helm - Abby Maltby - Draper - Sammy (or UFA) Meech

Holland trades his rights to LA doesn't mean he is gonna sign in LA. He could go to market and decide he'll take Hollands offer on July 1st and guess what? Now unless there is some kind UFA rule against re-singing with the team that traded your rights. If not then...

Didn't see this on here. Classy, classy man... Thanks Cheli! Don't know how I ever hated you! http://apps.detnews.com/apps/multimedia/pl...dex.php?id=3638

Whats funny is, if Hossa had the exact same playoff, but the Wings WON the Cup, nobody would be saying he sucked in the playoffs. They'd all be praising him for his game four (pivitol game 4) two goals each round (sans the finals.) They would all be commenting on how despite scoring he outscored Cindy in the finals an was a huge distraction to the opposition allowing our 3rd and 4th liners to dominate the series. He had a good playoff. Did he score 29 points? No, but he didn't score 5 points either. He was a force out there, who, depsite falling short of dominating, had to e watched with 2 sets of eyes all playoff long. He was +5, so that is good, he had 100 shots on goal (to lead ALL players on Detroit this playoff) which is 24 more than last year, so it's not like he wasn't trying. The Wings have even scoring, they don't have one or two dominate players.

Agreed ANother thing for sure, Holland isn't going to get handcuffed by Hossa (like Pitts did.) If he cannot re-sig before July 1, he will trade his rights for something (lots of draft picks!) Hell, trade the rights to Edmonton or the Islanders, we'll get some high draft picks!

Easy cowboy, I only listed the roster, you can do the lines how you want. re-sig Huds? WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND, WE ONLY HAVE $1.5Million to play with!!!! Huds made $1.1 last season, he is not worth taking up the rest of our cap! LET IT GO!!! Bye Bye Huds! Ok, is LaRose is only making $875,000, then offer him the $1M to $1.5M. I am fine with that. I think all of our UFA's should walk, and Hudler. Just re-sig Leino for around $950,000 and spend the $1.5 on new blood... ...on my roster listing (the one where you thought I was making line combos in stone) replace Sammy with Larose, I'll take it...

Dude, relax, notice I said sign him for $1.5million, that is not big money on third line pairing. If he is worth more on the market, then pass. I figured doublng his money would be attrative, but if the markets says he's worth more, then fine. But $1.5 million for Scuderi is NOT big money. ANd heis a hell of alot better than Meech or Lebda. I'd give Scuderi $1.5 million before Hudler gets anything, thats how much Hudler is worth to this team. He choked worse than anyone in the playoffs. Why not have three great defensive pairings? Scuderi makes the P/K that much better. But we only have $1.5 to toss around so forget it. Like I said, I never mentioned signing him for sure, only if he'd take the $1.5, which would double his salary, thought that wasn't being unreasonable. If he gets $3.0 plus, good on him! If we had the money I'd give him $3.0 before Hudler as well... Scuderi = solid, gritty, defensive defensmen. A Bargain at $1.5... Hudler = :puke:

...dude, April 1st is a LOOONG way away...

Not to make excuses, but remember the TWO devistating head first crashes into the boards near the end of the season? Could it be possible, since we used the injury excuse for Rafi, Lids & Dats, that he had some leftover effects from those? Could it have been a possibility?

IT would be different if we had the cap space and DIDN'T WANT TO PAY HIM, or if we offered him $6 million and he said no, we have no cap room, we cannot afford to pay him even the discounted price. He's not turning his back on the Wings, the Wings aren't doublecrossing him. It's black and white, hard numbers. Sure, if he'd take the $3.9 of Franzen that would be awesome, great! I am not even sure we could afford that and continue to fill out the rest of the roster. Sorry we can't afford you Hossa, we aren't mad at you, have a great year! No sarcasm included...

Ahhhhh, I must of let those go in one eye and out of the other. These are the same people who boo Fedorov. Also, they believe Hossa should come back for basically free, like he owes the Wings or something... I'd love to see Hossa here, but if we cannot fit him, we cannot fit him. Similar to when we had to buyout Hatcher and McCarty in 2005, if the cap doesn't fit, then you must.... uh, sorry, different subject...