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Thats alot of thinking. For the life of me, why would we sign Lappy for $1.2 when he turned down more from Colorado, PLUS we can have Downey at $500,000 who knocked the snot of Lappy if you recall... How about we attempt to score a high enough draft pick THIS year to get Hedman? Ya ya, I know he is gonna go 1 or 2, but if we're talking about absurd places Rafi would waive a no trade clause, why not package him and a hot prospect to the Island or Tampa? Or maybe trade up high enough to draft Cowen? on a side note, if the Islanders take Hedman, you are gonna have Tampa with BOTH Stamkos AND Tavares!!! Wow! Maybe a new wonder twins? You have our Euro twins, you have Crysby/Malkin, Toews/Kane and then Stamkos/Tavares!

in regards to Hossa. Lets compare another superstar from another "elite" team. You don't see san Jose lining up to get rid of Joe Thornton do you? And you won't. Only one team can win the Cup, and rarely is it the same team every year. I say if we exchange Hudler/Sammy/Chelios/McCarty for Hossa/Helm/Ericsson/Leino we're better off for the season. If it were possble to pick up someone like Lappy sure, but we already have Downey that needs a home, so if we were going to go that route he would fill that role just as good as Lappy. Plus he would cost TONS less. So here are the "trade offs" Hudler for a 1st and 3rd round pick Sammy/Chelios/McCarty/Kopecky for Helm/Ericsson/Lenio & Downey Hossa Long Term Conklin for Howard Poissibly Ledba or Meech for a draft pick (all depends on Lilja's status)

well, not to fuel the fire on the refs but..... Orpik allowed to two hand Cleary..... Look how close the ref is looking at the situation, like he is looking to make sure Orpik doesn't commit a penalty, or maybe he was just looking to see if Cleary had swabbed out his ears that morning...

Exactly! Rumor has it deal is already done for an active cap hit of 5.9 million per. Just waiting to see what the actual cap number will be so if they need to tweak it at all. Hossa is here for the rest of his career, we can mark that down for sure... ...and in the end, he'll have more cups than the Pens.

Do you even know what you are talking about? As of right now, with Hank and Mule's contract taking effect the Wings have $9.4 million available under the projected cap for next year. That is avcording to our own LGW.com salary chart, just click on it and see. Also, if Hudler signs an offer from someone we won't get more than a second rounder? You don't think he'll make $2 Million somewhere? $2 Million gets us a first and a third. If he doesn't get qualified for $2 million or more, he may as well re-sign here since he made just over $1 million last year and anything less than $2 million would be a slight raise. I believe he'll get near $3 million from someone. Sign Hossa for sure, that still leaves you $3.5 million for Leino, Helm, Howard, Ericsson to come up. Let sammy and kopecky go along with Chelios and McCarty.

Hossa on this team, makes it better. Injuries did us in in the playoffs. Hossa had more points than Crysby in the finals. So he didn't score. We still came an inch short of reeating. How come nobody is grilling Holmstrom for not scoring? Datsyuk stunk it up on the score sheet as well (pre-injury.) Lets just get on with it. Hossa is very valuable to this team, he is worth the money and will have less pressure on him next season. Cap room is easy, convince Maltby and Draper to retire, convince Rafi to waive his no trade clause and if Lilja cannotplay, that opens up $9.6 million MORE dollars to add to the projected $9.4million we have now. You let Hudler walk and get the draft picks in return. Sammy, Kopecky, Chelios, McCarty all leave. Unfortunately with Holland saying defense is set, Rafi won't get traded, but if we can still canovince Maltby and Draper to retir and count Lilja out, that'll still be $3.6 million more. If Hossa signes for a cap hit of $5.9million, we'll need roughly $3 million for Howard, Helm,Leino, Abdelkader & Ericsson, if we get those three salaries off the books, we should be fine for the season with the leftover cap and the $3.6 from Draper, Matby & Lilja. Now if they on'r retire, we can still get Hossa and the Griffins here for what we have in the Cap room, but it won't give us much wiggle room throughout the season, much like last season...

They are one of the greatest Dynasty's ever. Until someone else steps up and wins 3 out of 6 and 4 out of 11, then noone else compares. Thats ok that we got beat by Talbot, Scuderi, Kennedy, because come contract time, with the league max contracts they've already given Malkin, Crysby and Fleury, in the end the Pees will get beat by the likes of Talbot. Scuderi is already gone this July anyway, with his stellar play this playoff (he should've gotten MVP) teams will be lining up to pay this guy! Too bad Detroit won't have room for him.... Besides, what would be wrong with 5 Cups in 13 years? that is still an average of a Cup every 2.6 years. I'll take this loss for that kind of consistency every time! When is the last time your team won? Just which is your team? Montreal? LOL! Chicago? even a bigger LOL!

and lest we forget the 2005 Lottery draft that was fixed in their favor so they could land Crysby. Oh and to Sid the Kid, you say Crosby wants 3 Cups, so he can get a few more in a couple of years? a few is three a couple is 2. Maybe you meant a couple more in a few years. Your run is done. You will lose the role players that won the Cup for you becauseof said crybaby, MAF and Malkin. I wanna be the first team in line when you lose Staal. You are already going to lose Scuderi, Satan, Fedetenko and Guerin for sure this July, what are you gonna do when Staal, Talbot & Kennedy's contracts are up? Those guys right there are the ones that won you the Cup. Good luck, maybe we'll see you there. Guarantee Detroit nets more Cups/appearances in the next 5 years than Pit does. Can't deny consistancy. In the long run it will be proven that Hossa made the right choice, he will have more Cups than Cyndy, mark it down as fact...

Nah, just turn the channel. Just like I did, when horn sounded last night. I turned it back for a second and caught Mickey talking to Guerin, but that was it. I had or have no desire to watch those guys hold the Cup, I almost would rather see Pronger raise it. Maybe....

Pittsburgh on top of the mountain? Yep, jus like the Lightning and Hurricanes were too. I am glad you won, at least now the commercials will actually hold some water. At least they can show then winning instead of just scoring a goal in a losing effort. You have your Cup, enjoy it. Time will tell if you'll be able to defend it. I hope you son't fall off the bandwagon when you don't repeat. If anything, Detroit and New Jersey have been to ONLY teams in the NHL that show they consitantly EVERY season seriously compete for a Cup. I will give you this one, you deserved it. But in five years we'll see who has more Cups. When Malkin's salary kicks in, you are going to lose players. You are going to lose the likes of Satan, Fedetanko, Guerin, Scuderi (who should've have gotten the MVP, he saved the Pens ass in game 6 and 7.) Hopefully your farm system is as good as ours because you are going to need it with the HUGE salaries on your team. Enjoy this Cup, this may just be your last. Knowing who the most consistant and dominating team has been since 1995, I know we will be back a couple of times in five years, where will you be? Just remember who won you this Cup. Kennedy, Scuderi, Talbot, Stahl. What are you going to do when their contracts are up? Where's Shero gonna find the dough? At least you've had one win, but when you can become as consistant as Detroit has been, then you can spew your junk. Now, go enjoy your Cup, leave our forum. It is time for us Wings fans to talk about the off season, the changes coming, and the more than likely 3rd appearance in a row in the Cup finals. Hope you are there with us, so we can get our revenge, but something tells me 1st round, out....

Just skimmig through the list, some players that might be worth a year or two: (if we can get rid of Draper, Maltby and Rafi) Pahlsson, Peca, Scott Nichol, Yelle, Knuble, Neil, Hinote, Tanguay (if he'd come cheaper), Fedorov (cheap), Moen, Lappy, a healthy Bertuzzi (cheap). Let Hudler, Sammy, Kopecky, McCarty, Chelios walk. It'd be fun to see Yelle and Tanguay back together. Hmmmmm....

http://www.letsgowings.com/salarychart/index.php According to our own LGW.com even WITH Z and Franz's contract going into effect, we have $9.4 million availble before anyone signs. If Hossa signs for a hit of $6million it'll cost us about $3million for Abdelkader, Leino (resign at $900,000) Helm, Howard and Ericcson. That'll leave $400,000. That is it. That is losing ALL of our UFA/RFA minus Hossa. Convince Maltby and Draper to retire and convince Rafi to accept a trade and if Lilja cannot play that'll open up $9.6 million MORE. then we will have roughly $10million for UFA's or trade line aquisitions... I do like Fedorov coming home, but not for the $4 million he made last season. If he'd take $1 to $1.5 million, he'd look great with Z or Pav AND on the Powerplay...

Amen! Any of the other mentioned players before Grier....

with Lappy rejeting the avs offer, I doub he will come here. He is looking for a raise from last season and that is too much for us to pay. With Hossa all but signed, that takes about $6million off what we can afford, gonna be tight unless we can convince Draper, Maltby to retire and trade Rafi or Kronner (rafi being the first choice obviousy because of the cap hit. Trade him and re-sgn Hossa, that still allows us $9million for others.) Let Hudler go and get the picks in return. One he scored his 20th, he did nothing, especilly in the playoffs. If Lilja is done too, we'll definately have room to sign someone or two, but not for a lot. If can convince Draper and Maltby to retire, convince Rafi to waive his no trade clause and Lilja cannot return, then that is another $9.65million for us under the cap. Add the $9.4million we already have thats $19.05 million to get this roster changed! $6million for Hossa $3million (roughly) for Helm, Abdelkader, Howard & Leino $500,000 for Downey That would give us $10 million for a UFA or two in July. We'll have a 1st and a 3rd round pick for Hudler, probably a first for Rafi (or maybe a player and a first.) You could throw a couple of million at a couple of people and STILL have money for that trade deadline (which also hurt us this year) With thatbeing said, we prolly won't see any of our top 4 d-men being traded, and Maltby, Draper will be able to play out their contracts. We'll sign Hossa and bring up the griffins and be right at the cap all year again, with no wiggle room at all....

Upset, disappointed, very angry it was the pens, but whatever, in roster terms, this is the best thing that could've happened! Hollnd will now be forced to evaluate this team and make changes. Hossa is supposedly all but signed, so that doesn't leave much unless (and since we've lost the Cup, this canbe a little easier) Trade one Stuart, Kronwall or Rafaski (I know, No Trade Clause, but that can be wroked around) Somehow convince Maltby and Draper to retire. Let Hudler pursue his options elsewhere, part ways with Sammy, Chelios, McCarty, Conlkin (due to Howard havingto clear waivers.) re-sign Kopecky, Hossa & Leino. Bring up Helm, Abdelkader, Ericsson permanently. Maybe I am the minority, but we need (and needed) Aaron Downey up here this playoff and next season. Re-sign him.... However it needs to be done, but some changes are needed. Say what you want about getting as far a we did, but we got kicked around by Anaheim. If we cannot trade one of those D-Men, then we are in a world of hurt (unless Draper and Maltby retire.) That would still alllow us to sign Hossa, Kopecky, Leino & Downey and bring up Howard, Helm, Ericsson & Abdelkader. That is the reason we lost, whatever they say, our old men were tired. Draper, Maltby, Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Rafalski, Sammy. That is why I am mostly mad, sad, etc... I know we won with that lineup last time and that was pretty much the reason Babcock didn't tweak it too much, but NOW is the time for NEW hunger. Time to give the Griffins their entire season! Put Meech in there permanently. Maybe Holmstrom will retire too, maybe we can actually trade one of D-Men for a player instead of picks, but whatever, I am sad,but excited to see what comes next! Go Wings! Bring on draft day!

f*** Bettman, f*** Crosby, f*** Malkin, f*** the entire NHL, especially the WIngs that decided this was game 35 of the season and not game ******* 7 of the FINALS!!!!!

Now we start talking about who can get the f*** off this team that didn't show up for 4 out of 7 games.... I don't want to here about who was injured or tired! f*** them, they make milliond of dollars and can't even perform when it comes down to it. I WILL NOT congrat pi either....

POSITVE!!! We CAN DO THIS!!!! if not, then Hossa, Hudler, Sammy, Draper, Maltby, Holmstrom can all go.....

remember game 4? Hoe lifeless the Wings were, and Pit was flying high? Then gmae 5 happened. No worries about the Wings, just as I told my buddy from Pit way back in round two, If there is a repeat, outcome Game 7 overtime Hossa game winner. He said he'd Sh!t himself! (I hope we win in regulation, but I will take a win no matter how!)

Yeah, can we get her to say "Chocolate Delite"

Now we have two pens fans smacking on each other! Gotta love Letsgowings.com!!!!

too bad he cannot spell Ciccarelli!

troll, troll, troll your boat! Who cares!?!?! These teams have done what they are supposed to do, WIN AT HOME! Our turn! We KEEP Stanley and we win it in front of our home crown in OUR house!

I agree, no props if they win, but replay showed clearly that he DIDN'T put his hand on the puck. He tried, but the puck got under MAF's glove when he saved the puck with his skate (in the right place at the right time.) Everyone and their brother thought he did, pens fans were holding their breath! It looked like he did, he did reach for it, but MAF got it first. Dead Issue. I am pissed, Wings got two back to back PP's and failed miserbly on both. Cleary decided he'd rather be Datsyuk than himself an try to deke the goalie instead of doing what has gotten him two breakaway goals already, SHOOT! Wings had their chances, I can only say they threw the game in order for the NHL to have their 7 games... (maybe Pit threw game 5 as well?)

You got your bounces with Scuderi making two saves in the crease yesterday. You got your luck when Osgood flubbed Kennedy's goal. As a matter or fact, you've had more nounces than us. That being said, I am begining to believe these conspiracy theories about teams throwing games. Look at game 5 (for PIt) and then game 6 (for us.) Whatever, I am just as frustrated as the Pens fans were Saturday night. Of course Pit has a chance buddy, 50-50 is what I am looking at, but so does Detroit, and it is perceived we have the advantage being at home... to the OP, I for one will not give congrats to Pitt, I hate all teams that aren't Detroit, so why would I? What was Hossa's deal yesterday?