LeftWinger

Hey Osgod, they can say what they want about your avatar and movie quotes, but I am so glad that in yur sig it actually says "owns" instead of the computer ebonic spelling "pwns"

but if he does clear, would his entire $2MM be the hit or half? (if we traded for him?)

at what point does the cap hit end? Is it after the trade deadline you can bring people up without it affecting the cap or is it after the season is over?

ok thanks! Another question, I know I heard Ken Daniels explaining that if they made a trade for someone making $1MM they'd have to clear $1MM in cap space (by moving a player) but what about those guys that were put on the waiver? (Gary Roberts for example) if the Wings picked him up off waivers what would the rules be then? Wold their salary count fully against the cap or would it be prorated?

sorry, just coming into this coversation, but by having Lilja out indefiantely does that open up any cap space to make a trade before the deadline?

uh, have you've watched boxing in the last 20 years? That is all they do is grab and hug and once in a while throw a punch! But I get your point, I'd rather see some fists going than hugging and wrestling too!

isn't it a bit early for the playoff trolls to be coming out?

Sweet! As long as you know this is NOT NHL 09! I actually meant if said player was a huge part of the Stanley Cup win, then Holland just may want to offer him a contract. That is what I meant by screwed. Pus it would make about 1000 of threads on this forum (ie. Hossa or Flip or Huds or Franz) totally useless! (like they already weren't)

that could make sense considering if Hudler signs elsewhere we'll get a 1st, 2nd and 3rd right back (if he tops $4M.)

you heard it here: Jakub Kindl for Chris Pronger that is an e11

I would totally surprised if the Wings do anything at the deadline. Could we afford (cap) to trade picks for another roster player for the playoffs? Then whay happns if he turns out like Stuart and becomes a huge part of a Stanley Cup repeat? Then we are really screwed!

WAAAAAAAAY to early to mention any of these guys for the HOF! Crosby especially. No, this is not an anit-Crosby response but I seem to remember a little guy that was taken first overall back in the 90's that was also the Next One. For those of you who don't remember, his name was Eric Lindros. He also started his career out on a tear. He won Hart's and scored at will. He was also projected to overtake Wayne's records and be a shoe-in for the HOF. Fast Forward to 2009, where's Eric? Exactly. We should put this thread in the vault for the next 15 years and see if these guys are still producing or even still in the NHL at all. I can pretty much say wth a huge amount of confidence that Phanuef (spelling) will NOT be in the hall. Lidstrom has set the bar for Hall of Fame defenders and I just don't see someone like that being around for 20 years. He plays too much of a physical game and his body will not hold up. So unless he starts pulling Norris' out of his ass, he will not be anywhere near Nicks stature when his career is done. I know this is a hypothetical thread and don't mean to take the fun out of it. But we don't even know who is gonna make the hall in the Old NHL (post 1994) class yet. Pre 1994 is a given with Yzerman, Modano, Sakic & Hull. But we're not even sure the likes of Datsyuk and Zetterberg can keep up their pace. I supposed if they do (as well as the OP's list) sure there would be serious consideration, but until we can see where they are 15 years from now,we may never know! Shoot 15 years from now, NONE of them could be in consideration!

I don't understand why nobody thinks Datsyuk can dish out a hit, didn't ANYONE watch the playoffs last season? I am baffled!

The Wings need to concentrate on winning. The Sharks are alomost positive that Lemeiux will be a distraction to the Wings tonight and they can bury us while we fart around with Claude. The Wings need to ignore him (unless he starts agitatitng (of course that is almost as for sure as the sun rising.)) Problem is if Lemeiux does start up some antics then who id going to put him in his place? Noone. Hopefully the refs keep their eyes on him and once he starts up keep penalizing him until the Sharks coach is forced to change his game plan. If the Wings ignore Claude and he gets 4 or 5 penalties right away, then there will be no more of his crap. Play our game not theirs (not his.) I do wish Downey was here just in case though (of course that is just asking for a melee')

is that what you meant when you put 3 next to Hossa's name? I wasn't quite sure what 3 goals meant. Thanks!

did you get that from NHL09 also?

that went right over my head, don't have NHL 09 or 08, 07, 06, etc... but I am sure those games are all great at their own positions too!

all great players, but I'd like to see Pronger duplicated Datsyuk's goal on Turco. We're talking COMPLETE hockey player, not best at their position. How the heck can you compare Nabokov with Datsyuk, thats just silly...

you are joking right? if not, then name that tune! (list your ten)

hey micah, yeah this guy hits like a girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmQ2SZYjs5Y & or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao152EVQEiI wow kids got skillz too! Dude, Ovechkin is a great offensive talent, but your arguments about Datsyuk are pointless since everythig you are said has been refuted. Still haven't commented on the sissy shield comparison. again: micah = senseless

The Banks, CEOS, This Bailout which doesn't help me bail anything out, Golden Parachutes, My Current Situation. Oh, you meant hockey players!?!? I don't hate anyone, I learned that when Chelios came to play for us, I hated him (so I thought) but since he started playing for us, I love him.

I think Crymson and ARice stay hidden and only come out when a Fedorov thread appears. I think Feds owes them money or maybe nailed their daughters or something. Fedorov DID NOT leave for more money. Fedorov is STILL better than half our team (does he fit here, probably not, but he is still better.)

I may in the minority here, but I really don't think that any professional hockey player would be humiliated because of a goal celebration. Of course, I have been known to be wrong..... from time to time.

so to sum it up: Ovechkins Celebration - Getting Old Datsyuk Better than Ovechkin - Definate Micah - senseless

dude, are you serious? Hits like a girl? You're probably right about the homer thing, but seriously in your opinion is Ovechkin the better ALL AROUND player? He only has 3 points on Pav this year, and will get NO consideration for the Selke, tht says it all right there. Sissy sheild? Uh, lets see: and please just tell me how much better Ovechkin would fair if he stood toe to toe with Gary Roberts in a real fist-a-cano? The point there is Pav does not allow players to take liberties with him and skate away with his tail between his legs. Like you seem to be insinuating. Now lets cover the comparing of superstars of the past. I simply said if you want me to consider Ovechkin better than Pav or Z, then he has to cut the bullcrap and lead his team to the Cup. How much consideration did Steve Yzerman get in this league UNTIL he re-vamped his game and became argueably the best Captain in all of Sports. He became more team oriented, redefined his defensive game and viola, led his team to three Cups in six years. Marcel Dionne never had the supporting cast to get it done, did he ever win a Selke? Dude Mario WAS tough and I say WAS and that was prior to him winning hs first Cup. After that, he became a creampuff (dirty cheapshot artist as well.) GRETZKY? GRETZKY? I challenge you right now to find even ONE, ONE Gretzky fight where he even remotely fought back as much as Pavel did against Roberts. pretty much your man love for Ovechkin is obvious, and like I said he is a great offensive talent, but when it comes down to numbers and being the better ALL AROUND player, Datsyuk beats him hands down. I'll take Stanley Cups over Hart trophies and Rocket Richard tophies. I'd even take Pavel finishing 3 points behind Ovechkin and bringing home another Cup, than getting another Selke, but guess who will get serious consideration for the Selke AGAIN this year while your boy won't? Oh, BTW, if Pavel keeps up his torrid scoring pace, guess who will ALSO get serious consideration for the Hart? Ovechkin is good (great some may say) but is NOT as good as Datsyuk. Oh, if you consider the draft positions of Ovechkin, Crosby, Malkin and Datsyuk(1st overall, 1st overall and 2nd overall compared to 171st overall) and their point totals this year being #1 through #4 respetively, I think your argument ends there. I suppose you also think that Eric Lindros was a better ALL Around player than Sergei Fedorov was too? But to the OP, yes his celebrations are a bit over-the-top, but he is young, let him have fun right now. It is when he becomes older and gets tired of LOSING when he'll realize that there is no I in team and he'll settle down and become a team player and MAYBE win something of significance, like maybe a Stanley Cup. Which BTW (to micah) I think Dionne would trade ALL his hardware in for just one drink out of Lord Stanley. do you think Nick Lidstrom would trade away his 6 Norris trophies for 6 Stanley Cups? Indvidual awards are great, but in the end, how many Cups do you own? Gretzky, Lemeiux, Howe, Rocket, Orr, Yzerman they all have Cups, Pavel has Cups, Ovechkin? ZERO... Ovechkin, Crsoby, Malkin, you guys can have the Hart every year, so long as Pavel keeps leading his team to Cups, I'm happy without having ANY Hart's...