LeftWinger

PWNED! Just kidding!

well a few things, I was a totally different person back then, drinking, marriage problems, UNGODLY debt, concessions at work and a few other things I wish to not get into. I know that doesn't excuse those words, but I am a different person from a year ago... ...second, are you sure I said all those things? I remember some of them, but not all, man I was irate! lastly, how is it that you found all those, is there way to just search replys by a username? That is cool! touche' by the way. That does not sound like someone who is proud of their team or the city, but like I said, a whole different life back then. Really I was only using 9/11 to talk about how the media manipulates the truth to get viewers to believe something. I guess it was a bad (or maybe too sensitive) example. seeing how I used to be really reminds me of how far I have come as a human being, you wouldn't think something as silly as comments in a sports forum would be so profound in someones life, but take that stuff and translate it to real life and that is the type of person I was. I am thankful everyday that I was able to transform myself into a decent human being, and now I thank you for putting that up and reminding of just how bad a person I was in life and how much I have changed. Wow, I look back over the way I was and cringe. I am thankful for everyday, and very thankful for the wonderful people in my life.

I agree, and you are right about each town thinking their superstar is the best. But in a non homer position, I do think Overchkin is far better than Crosby (as I thought Mario was better than Wayne) and would rather see him on the commercials than Crosby. On a side note though, I never thought Lindros was better than Fedorov during the 90's, though. Your points are well taken and respected, just a little tired of all the snuffs from the media, sports-wise and city-wise (of course Kwame-gate didn't help too much in that aspect!)

...don't know, maybe I am just tired of Detroit getting slighted every chance (and I don't mean just the Wings, the entire area as well.) Coming from a city, you have a lot of pride, and everytime you turn around you are getting slapped somehow, someway. Maybe with all the negativity, something, anything, that sheds even a little positive light on my home town, whether it be a hockey player FINALLY being recognized for what he is, or whether it be other media markets saying someting good about this part of Michigan. I grew up when Yzerman was getting slighted left and right, and it just seems that everything that remotely gives a highlight to Detroit, the media tries to overshadow it with something that is far inferior. No, essays are not necessary, but neither are 900 threads on the same goaltending and Franzen subjects. This was a different subject, someting that may generate opinions other than "Trade Filpulla" "Sign Hossa" "Osgood is or is not God." If you don't think the subject is worth replying to, then don't, but don't come and try to knock someone down because your brainwashed by the media and think just because someone has an opinion other than yours, you can make fun. Just turn the channel or lift up the needle if you don't want to hear it... ...that last part wasn't aimed toward you Broken 16, sorry if it seemed that way...

...it was more of a comparison on how the media tries to brainwash viewers in to believing someting even though they are seing something different. I could've used anything as an example. I simply chose the biggest media spin job of the modern age. Although you cannot argue the NHL attempts at naming the "Next One" and the extensive media hype machine that tries to drive into your head like a wedge in a log. Even though most fans can see the Datsyuk far outplays Crosby everytime they play against each other, the NHL still tells you that Crosby is the best, not only by running constant promo's and commercials showing the LOSING team in the Cup final, highlight Crosby scoring the first goal Pitt manage to score against us in the series, NOT UNTIL GAME 3 BTW, but not once do they show LIdstrom lifting the Cup, Zetterberg holding the Conn Smythe or the Wings celebrating... ...just a quick question. The commercial on VS. that I am refering to shows Crosby celebrating a goal, but which goal (if you were the NHL) would you put on a commercial to accent to skill of one of your best players, that goal, or Pavel's goal on Turco? How about most any of Pav's breakaway goals? I am just saying, even though you are seeing something in plane sight, the media tells you that you are seeing this way, and no matter how much better Datsyuk looks than Crosby, Crosby is STILL the best in the NHL right now... ...as was Lindros and Roy (good argument here, but he wasn't the invincible man that touted in game 7 2002) and Pronger, yatta, yatta. The day the networks drool all over ANY Detroit Red Wings, is the day I believe 100% of what my Government is telling me! And that day will NEVER come...

Hmmmmm, Jagr? Anyone have his stats from Russia? Not that if he DID have to go through waivers he would fal to Detroit anyhow, but I think for a couple of hundreds of thousands dollars he would look good in Detroit. I don't think he would put Edmonton over the top though. But it couldn't hurt. Would suck if Chicago, Calgary, San Jose or Anaheim got a hold of him though. Yikes!

...this couldn't be put in the numerous other threads? Just kidding! ...I don't want to think about what this team may look like with out Hossa or Franzen. Which means, they opted to re-sign Hudler instead. :puke: ...#1 priority MUST be Hossa (unless he wants the league max) then sign Franzen or Hudler...

...Yes! Just make sure there are no "NO TRADE CLAUSES" included in their contracts. Does anyone know if Zetterberg has one? ...Isn't Franzen a natural center? So if we traded Flip, lost Huds to RFA we'd still have 4 centers in Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen and Draper, right? ...this is so hard to call!!!! I only hope that Hossa stays, I'd hate to lose anyone from the Cup team (or the repeating Cup team) but all three guys, PLUS Leino and bringing up Helm/Ericsson is not feasable!!!! ARRGH!!!!! ...Come on Magic Ken, shows us some of that hoo doo that you doo so well!!!! ...if by some way, Holland figures out a way to Sign ALL three, then there is no doubt in my mind that Gary Bettman will install a Detroit Clause which states you are not aloud to sign a player under his league value, in which, of course, he will be resposible from setting. It just chafs Bettman's ass so much that he HAS to find a way to burn the Wings and I wouldn't put it past him to make a rule/clause in order to undermine Ken Hollands ability to sign players a huge discounts! Of course the Penguins would be exempt from this rule...

...I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure that the NHL does not award a defensman a trophy that is won for being the "Best Defensive Forward."

...if Green or Chara, or anyone for that matter that is not named Lidstrom, win it, it is ONLY because Nick has played like a human this season. That's ok, spread it around, there's always next year, besides I think Nick would rather have a different trophy...

..uh, I highly doubt they will be coming to town anytime in the near future. they'll be luck to make the playoffs, let alone all the way to the Cup finals... ...but your point is well taken, I too would choose Filppula over Hudler...

...how about just being an adult and saying the actual word, instead of this immature jibberish that is supposed to mean something... ...the jibberish PWNED doesn't even have a real meaning let alone a pronunciation... ...Back on topic. Hossa is priority 1! If we get him for $6 (which is what I have been saying for weeks, but someone has called me dillusional for it. Is this reporter also? Or since he works for ESPN, now it's a possiblity? Just keep your man-love alive for Hudler.) then we should be able to sign Franzen OR Hudler, but not both, unless Filppula is traded...

...funny that the Pensfans are all saying "not a big deal, it's only regular season." Yet WAAAAAAAAY back in Novemeber when they came back to win in OT, the fans were already talking Stanley Cup Parade... ...I thought the Avsfans were bad... ...didn't watch one bit of it, damn sewage back up! Anyhow, does ANYONE know where I can catch it, even after it is over? Someone, somewhere has it, I just know it! TIA

...yes, but Hudler is going to cost more than Franzen. You let Franzen walk, you get nothing in return. You let Hudler walk, he gets a qualifying offer, you get compensated with draft picks... ...which one makes more sense?

...well, ALL of this is just speculation anyhow, NONE of us know exactly what Holland is thinking or our FA's... ...would Hossa sign for a Zetterberg type number? Maybe yes, maybe no. I do know one thing, NOBODY, not even the hocey experts expected Hossa to sign here for $7.45 million last off season, so who know what he is thinking! ...it is of my opinion (which all of us have and I love reading all the differnet ones) that Hossa and Franzen will both re-sign here. Holland will trade Filppulla giving us $12.4 million in cap space and Hudler will be the one to leave (unless he signs for a similar contract he is on now) because if he gets qualifying offer of at least $2.6 million the Wings will receive a 1st and a 3rd round draft pick. $12.4 million is plenty of money to give Hossa (with a Zetterberg contract,) Franzen (giving a hometown discount,) Leino (who will have to prove he is worth more than $1million, so he will sign for another $875,000,) and also bringing up Ericsson, Helm and Howard (or re-signing Conklin.) This brings the Wings to just under $13 million, but Holland can crunch the numbers in a way to make it all fall below the cap, especially when you are only talking hundreds of thousands and not millions... ...delusional? Maybe, but again, none of us thought that Hossa would sign here to begin with, considering his value. Who's to say he is not still in that mindset? ...I guess it hinges on Franzens willingess to sign here cheap. You know Nick will be talking to him, but if he wants $5million, then let him go I guess, then we will see what Hudler wants and if he wants $5 million the I guess we lethim walk as well. Leino may not be able to replace Hudlers offense, but at the price differnce, he will do just fine. So if that is the case, sign Hossa, trade Flip, let Huds AND Franzen leave, sign Leino, bring up Helm, Abdelkader, Ericsson & put Meech in at forward every night! Now that doesn't look too good for next season, but what can you do in this cap world? Bottom line is, you must have Hossa on this team. (at a reasonable price)

...next NN will come back and tell you to keep your reality in check and go on how Hudler is more important now to the Wings than Hossa is and Fedorov EVER was! ...NN has such man love for Hudler. Maybe the two of them came up with the "cluck" after a night of sexual discovery!

...reality says $8.5 million is an AVERAGE cap hit, not unlike Zetterberg's $6 million AVERAGE cap hit. Reality says Hossa is better than Hudler, Filppula and Franzen combined. Reality says let Hudler walk for draft pick compensation rather than Franzen for nothing. Filppula is already signed, if you don't plan on trading him, then Hudler will be out. Reality says, do what is best for the team and that is losing Hudler and getting compensated for it. Nothing personal, just business... ...as much as the argument goes that the Wings won a Cup without Hossa already, they could certainly win again without Hudler. If keeping Hudler and Filppula means not a chance on Hossa, then adios guys, Hossa is our man and he will EASILY replace the both of them... ...cap world reality, sometimes you got to let go of your favorite players. Kiss him goodbye now, because Hossa will take his money...

...well, Leino is on an 82 point scoring pace, Hudler is not. Given a full season, Leino will probably be as productive as Hudler, but we will not know until Leino has a full season here. ALthough, you lose some of the offense of Filppula with Helm, but Helm has prven his worth and can step into a 3rd of 4th line role next season. This roster will more than likely stayed intact trougout the playoffs (even if they sign Leino, Hossa & Franzen by July 1st.) The trade will come in the off season, and if Flip puts up similar numbers again in the post season, that'll only increase his worth... ...here's the choices, Filpulla and Hudler for a $6 million cap hit or Hossa and Franzen for an $8.5 million cap hit... ...that should be a no-brainer, even for all the Hudler ball-lickers out there... ...not even mentioning the reutrn value, you lose Hossa adn Franzen, You get nothing, you lose, good day sir! ...you trade Flip and let Hudler walk, you get probably a 2nd rounder for Flip and you get a 1st and a 3rd for Hudler because he is worth and will sign for about $3 million. Thats potentially 2 first rounders, 2 sescond rounders and 2 third rounders (including our own pics) in the same draft! Hate to see them go, but BYE BYE Flip and Huds!

...thus is Gary Buttman's Cap world. You lose your players evetually! ...Lose Flip for a draft pick, lose Huds for compenstaion picks, sign Hossa, Franzen & Leino... ...in the cap world, you have to do what makes most business sense. Leino and Helm can make up for the loss of Flip and Huds, and won't cost more than $1.5 million as opposed to at least $6 million in combined Flip/Huds salary...

...no matter, it doesn't matter to me where he plays (as long as it's not Detroit) I am just saying what I was told by people who talk to him everyday... ...maybe you're hoping the leafs pick him up?

...he'll be traded in the off-season, probably near draft day or around training camp, and probably for no more than a 2nd round draft pick... ...you guys do not understand, you let HUDLER walk! Franz walks and we get nothing in return, Hudler walks and we get compensation draft picks!!! With the salary he is worth, we'll get at least a 1st and a 3rd for Hudler. These guys are right near each ther in scoring, Franzen was more valuable in the last post season, and they will BOTH get AT LEAST Filppula's salary! What makes the best sense for the team? Franzen for nothing or Huds for picks? You cannot have both (all three actually) and even think about Hossa. Let alone paying LEino, Howard, Helm or Ericsson, all of which must be in Detroit next season (not sure on Helm, but Ericsson and Howard are out of options, Leino is a RFA.)

...there WILL be, there WILL be! Sign him now fro 5 years 875,000 each! IN 5 years, Drapes and Malts will be since retired, Cleary won't be making as much (he'll be a UFA.) Then, if he proves he is worth it, give him his million dollar contract! ...Leino is the real Deal, he'll more thatn offset the loss of Flip and Huds...

...we cannot keep Filpulla, Hudler, Franzen. That will take up nearly the entire cap room we have left. (9.4 million.) So you have to choose either Hudler or Franzen. ...if you don't trade Flip, you can only get 1 out of the 3 FA's signed because you HAVE to bring up Ericsson (he no minor league options left) same with Howard and Leino will sign somewhere else because he agreed to spend 1 season in GRR becuase of the cap issues and willnot re-sign to play in GRR again. SO that leaves you chosing Hudler or Franzen, siging Huds, means you lose Franzen for ZERO, NADDA, ZILCH, at least if you sign Franzen, you get comepnsation picks from Husler signing elsewhere. And if he signs for what he is worth around the league, we'll get AT LEAST a 1st and a 3rd round pick in return. Which one makes more business sense? So goes the Cap world, eventually you will lose somebdy, I'd rather get something in return for my loss, I don't know about you! ...trade Flip, you gain $3 million in cap space, $12.4. Hossa's cap hit will be $6mm, Franzen's cap hit will be $2.5 that leaves $3.9 for the rest of the youngin's AND Leino, Sammy & Kopecky...

...if he DOESN'T get claimed, he WILL go to Russia. I work with 2 very close family members of his and this is what they told me, I tend to believe them, but maybe he'll change his mind and go to the minors. The Russian team he played for during the lockout has ALREADY told him if he doesn't get picked up, to come back the US, back to the US, back to the USSR... (sorry, couldn't resist!)