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...you guys are missing the biggest part of this. McCrimmon was the first defense partner of Lidstrom, he was the one who taught him the North American system and helped Lids adapt from the Euro style to the NHL. Without Brad's guidance, Lidstrom maybe would have spent a few years in Adirondack instead of his entire career in the NHL. McCrimmon was proBABly the best choice the Wings could make! His repore with Hossa is just a bonus! He is already familiar with the Execs including Yzerman and Holland. I was totally caught off guard with this signing, but WOW, couldn't ask for a better hard nosed defensive style person! Remember the goal from center ice when he faked dumping it in and shot it at the net? I am sure someone can find it and post it! ...back to the Lidstrom factor, Brad was probably most influencial on Lidstrom developing from the best defensman in Europe to the best Defensman in the world! ...Ken Holland does it again!

...great, you win, just because you say every other example is more visually pleasing than Val's goal, so why not stop posting. As a matter of fact, why don't you create a forum and we can all come there for the ultimate NHL knowledge in the Nth degree. That would be a great idea! So I suppose, to you, an empty net goal is more visually pleasing than Val's goal too? Oh wait, you're a McCarty fan aren't you? McCarty DID win an ESPY for his goal, so I suppose that makes his goal THE GREATEST GOAL IN ICE HOCKEY HISTORY!!! ...sorry that you're a McCarty fan BTW...

...not to derail my own thread but you bring up something, Yzerman only played 258 out of a possible 410 games the last 6 seasons. He finished with 692 goals. Before the 2000-2001 season he was still getting between 25 and 35 goals even under Scotty's system. If he would've played entire seasons instead of roughly half, if he could've still averaged 30 per season he would have finished with roughly 872 goals. If he would've played the entire 1993-94 season in which at that time he was averaging between 45 and 55, so that would've have been about 20-30 more than what he did score that season, IF he stayed healthy, he could've breached 900 goals for his career. Now that would have been cool! ...ok, I'm back from would've, could've, should've land...

...yeah, but 2-0 is nothing. Look, even at the end of the game they were only one shot away from tying it. Val's goal made it 3-0 and everyone knows that 3-0 goal is the back breaker, they are now NOT one good shot or bad bounce away from tying it. Even though is was 2-0 and not 2-1, still the significance of a 3-0 lead is much more huge than a 2-0 lead. Although that was not the original intent of the thread, significance, but pure highlight...

lets see them, lets compare them. I've seen plenty of Lemieux goals, but for pure individual creativity, I think Jagr had him beat... edit: here are some of Mario's goals. Pretty good I'd say, I do like the back-handed one hander and the re-direct between the legs. Although I don't like one of the Mckenzie brothers commentators! His name is even Bob! ...nice goals, but I still think Vals beats all of these examples...

...uh, Joe Kocur? Marty Lapointe? Bob Rouse? Vladdy? We had plenty of gritty players, we didn't need McCrappy then and we didn't need him last year... ...Aaron Downey can more than be the grit we need. Hopefully he gets tons of playoff time next year and McCarty can go back to Flint... ..all I was saying is that no way Brown is on a lessor line than McCarty, even though there were no set lines combos with Bowman, so at anytime, anyone was with anyone...

...it's relevant because, Doug Brown was more important to those 2 Cup teams than McCarty was. Period. And to suggest that Doug Brown was a 4th liner and McCarty was a top liner is absolutely assinine... ...Who tied the Washington game when we were severely outplayed? And on a completely individual effort? Exactly. Anyhow back to the original topic... ...yeah, McCarty sucks...

...yeah, considering the player Greg Johnson turned out to be! Man I wish he could have stayed around for those Cups...

...there were no set lines, besides Doug Brown WAS NOT 4th line... ...Brown was more important to this team than FagCarty (that is why Kocur was part of the grind line, and prior to that, LaPointe was) so if anyone was 4th line it was him... ...McCarty = Waste of roster position then as well as now...

...of course he's gonna mention Pitt to the Pit media, what athelete do you know that is gonna say negative things about the city he is or has just currently played for? Hossa: "Sheet, I'd neve come back to this crybaby whining team EVER! They have no concept of winning, expect to cry and whine for calls when they lose. The coach stinks and Cindy Crysby is the most overrated player I've ever played for!" Hossa: "Fudge! Why did it have to be Detroit??!?! That is like the worst team to ever play for! I guess I'll make the best of it!" REALITY: "I'd lke to play for a winning team and Pittsburgh is probably on my short list" "Of course Detroit could be one of those teams too!" Then AFTER he signs: "I really hate Detroit, I am just here to make some money, win a Cup and increase my value and get the f*ck out!" ...of course, he is gonna say everything poitically correct... ...f*ck the crybaby Pitt fans, boy are gonna boo him!

...I am not talking goals of significance, just amzing sick goals... ...this was a great effort to follow the puck, BUT there was much amazing about besides the fact that it somehow found the net. The setup was average and Zetterberg was lucky to get his back-hand on it and it was fortunate to find the net. It is a great goal, but I think Val's was better...

...but, to the credit of managment, they offered Fedorov his huge contract and he told them to wait until the season was over because of his pending divorce and he just hired a new agent. That was in December of 2002, I believe he had his mind made up then that he was leaving, because that was actually MORE money than he got from Ahaheim. Also, remember 1997-98? He was briefley a Hurricane (on paper) until Holland matched the offer, so I think (as much I like Feds) he didn't want to be here then, he was having ego problems then. But yeah, no comparison to Hossa leaving Pittsburgh...

...for those of you that don't know, Fedorov scored #400 WITH Detroit... ...this is an ESPN article from when Fedorov first signed with Anaheim... http://espn.go.com/nhl/news/2003/0719/1582918.html ...even hockeydb.com has Fedorov scored 400 with Detroit...

...no way McCarty gets in ahead of Maltby OR a healthy Kopecky...

...and living in those places you do not see the race card everyday. Living in areas dominated by "minorities" (which would actually make me the minority) the race card is used on a daily basis and used to the advantage of getting something that that certain someone doesn't derserve or didn't earn... ...outside of your "white" states, this is reality. And to think, Michigan voted to abolish affirmative action, and yet, it, affirmative action STILL runs wild...

...mark this thread up as summer boredom, but looking back prior to winning in 1997, are there ANY former Wings that were traded or let go PRIOR to winning the Cup you wish would have won at least ONE of our Cups... ...I don't mean Wings prioir to 1980 either, they had to have played in the 80's or early 90's... ...mine are: Probie, Dino, Burr and Spuddy...

...no problem, but nah, no biggie, just had it laying around in my stuff. Been a fan since 79-80 so we have a few things lying around! ...glad I could help! of course you'll have to photo the finished product and post it for all of us to see! Jersey and Pic together!

...I thought the NHL decided that each team will play each other at least once every year?

hey stevieboy give me your email address I think I got what the doctor ordered! ok, Stevieboy, the pic is on it's way! It's scanned in 1080 pixels for supreme clarity and I left it 8 x 10 so you don't need to adjust it. There are no watermarks or copyrights on this photo. It's yours to do with what you want. Enjoy! Be sure to print it on high quality preferences on supreme paper!

...Homer will retire a Wing, BUT at the end of this contract he will probably given a series of 1 year deals just because the Wings like to honor thier life-longers with reward and thank you contracts. He'll be here for a while, much like Draper and Maltby will be given contracts until THEY want to retire...

...just don't give him a No Trade/Movement Clause and if he ends up being an average player, move him for some draft picks...

...I would have to put Ray Sheppard in their somewhere, he was a 50 goal scorer here... ...problem is their are TOO many great Red Wings of the past 15 years! Ciccarelli is another one. Sure I know you are just looking for the top 10, but I think for offensive numbers, Ray Sheppard should be there. Maybe omit Draper, put him at 11 or 12... ...and as much as well ALL love Vladdy and have an emotional spot for him in our hearts, I think Larry Murphy would rank in the top 10 Red Wings before Vladdy (in comapring D-Men.) 1. Yzerman 2. Lidstrom 3. Fedorov 4. Shanahan 5. Osgood 6. Zetterberg 7. Datsyuk 8. Murphy 9. Doug Brown 10. Holmstrom ...it's tough to rank 10, if you go by all your requirements sure it's a little easier because of some of the players longevity, but just as important Drapers defensive skills were imparative to this teams success, so was Brett Hull's and Luc Robitaille's offensive skills, along with Ray Sheppard. Now if you factor in JUST the playoffs, then you get a whole new list because you'd have to add McCarty with is knack for scoring in the playoffs, it is so difficult, so I went with just general production and importance regular season and playoff... (11. Ciccarelli 12. Sheppard 13. Larionov 14. Kozlov 15, 16, 17, 18... SHEESH! SEE WHAT I MEAN! )

...we know and the hockey world knows that this is the reason he has no job in the NHL... ...BUT, it is because of his race that this is an issue. Why? Because what is the first thing a minority does when they don't get what THEY feel the deserve? EXACTLY, they pull the race card out. You can GUARANTEE if Emery were American or if hockey were a more popular sport, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be all over this, marching on the NHL headquarters, protesting to the NHLPA until Emrey was GIVEN a job in the NHL, much like a lot of companies and businesses and other sports are. Remember when the Lions were fined because they didn't interview a minority during their search for a coach, when they ALREADY had the guy they wanted in Marucci? Gimme a break! I bet if the Lions hired Dennis Green without interviewing Mariucci, NOTHING would have been said! Much like the hundreds of Caucasion NHL players that go to Russia/Europe to play every year because they are no longer good enough for the NHL and not one word is mentioned about racism... ...f*ck Ray Emery, he, like millions of others who have played the race card unjustifiably, has givin his OWN race a black eye. Oops, I guess I should have said a bruised eye... ...oh and f*ck every one that playes the race card. IF YOU DON'T DESERVE/QUALIFY FOR THE JOB THEN YOU DON'T GET IT. YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE, GOOD DAY SIR!!! edit: and the guy below me is right, this thread may get ugly and I expect this post to be deleted and as a result this issue, much like racism is today, will be brushed under the rug without being resolved and then it will be Poor Ray Emery, the Man has kept him down too...

Redmond Datsyuk or Zetterberg

...which is why Ted Nolan should accept an asst. role hear for that chance to win a Cup. Then who knows, after he wins a Cup or two, other teams will be knocking on his door begging him to be their Head Coach... ...not question here! KENNY! DO IT! NOLAN! ACCEPT IT!