LeftWinger

...no way McCarty gets in ahead of Maltby OR a healthy Kopecky...

...and living in those places you do not see the race card everyday. Living in areas dominated by "minorities" (which would actually make me the minority) the race card is used on a daily basis and used to the advantage of getting something that that certain someone doesn't derserve or didn't earn... ...outside of your "white" states, this is reality. And to think, Michigan voted to abolish affirmative action, and yet, it, affirmative action STILL runs wild...

...mark this thread up as summer boredom, but looking back prior to winning in 1997, are there ANY former Wings that were traded or let go PRIOR to winning the Cup you wish would have won at least ONE of our Cups... ...I don't mean Wings prioir to 1980 either, they had to have played in the 80's or early 90's... ...mine are: Probie, Dino, Burr and Spuddy...

...no problem, but nah, no biggie, just had it laying around in my stuff. Been a fan since 79-80 so we have a few things lying around! ...glad I could help! of course you'll have to photo the finished product and post it for all of us to see! Jersey and Pic together!

...I thought the NHL decided that each team will play each other at least once every year?

hey stevieboy give me your email address I think I got what the doctor ordered! ok, Stevieboy, the pic is on it's way! It's scanned in 1080 pixels for supreme clarity and I left it 8 x 10 so you don't need to adjust it. There are no watermarks or copyrights on this photo. It's yours to do with what you want. Enjoy! Be sure to print it on high quality preferences on supreme paper!

...Homer will retire a Wing, BUT at the end of this contract he will probably given a series of 1 year deals just because the Wings like to honor thier life-longers with reward and thank you contracts. He'll be here for a while, much like Draper and Maltby will be given contracts until THEY want to retire...

...just don't give him a No Trade/Movement Clause and if he ends up being an average player, move him for some draft picks...

...I would have to put Ray Sheppard in their somewhere, he was a 50 goal scorer here... ...problem is their are TOO many great Red Wings of the past 15 years! Ciccarelli is another one. Sure I know you are just looking for the top 10, but I think for offensive numbers, Ray Sheppard should be there. Maybe omit Draper, put him at 11 or 12... ...and as much as well ALL love Vladdy and have an emotional spot for him in our hearts, I think Larry Murphy would rank in the top 10 Red Wings before Vladdy (in comapring D-Men.) 1. Yzerman 2. Lidstrom 3. Fedorov 4. Shanahan 5. Osgood 6. Zetterberg 7. Datsyuk 8. Murphy 9. Doug Brown 10. Holmstrom ...it's tough to rank 10, if you go by all your requirements sure it's a little easier because of some of the players longevity, but just as important Drapers defensive skills were imparative to this teams success, so was Brett Hull's and Luc Robitaille's offensive skills, along with Ray Sheppard. Now if you factor in JUST the playoffs, then you get a whole new list because you'd have to add McCarty with is knack for scoring in the playoffs, it is so difficult, so I went with just general production and importance regular season and playoff... (11. Ciccarelli 12. Sheppard 13. Larionov 14. Kozlov 15, 16, 17, 18... SHEESH! SEE WHAT I MEAN! )

...we know and the hockey world knows that this is the reason he has no job in the NHL... ...BUT, it is because of his race that this is an issue. Why? Because what is the first thing a minority does when they don't get what THEY feel the deserve? EXACTLY, they pull the race card out. You can GUARANTEE if Emery were American or if hockey were a more popular sport, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be all over this, marching on the NHL headquarters, protesting to the NHLPA until Emrey was GIVEN a job in the NHL, much like a lot of companies and businesses and other sports are. Remember when the Lions were fined because they didn't interview a minority during their search for a coach, when they ALREADY had the guy they wanted in Marucci? Gimme a break! I bet if the Lions hired Dennis Green without interviewing Mariucci, NOTHING would have been said! Much like the hundreds of Caucasion NHL players that go to Russia/Europe to play every year because they are no longer good enough for the NHL and not one word is mentioned about racism... ...f*ck Ray Emery, he, like millions of others who have played the race card unjustifiably, has givin his OWN race a black eye. Oops, I guess I should have said a bruised eye... ...oh and f*ck every one that playes the race card. IF YOU DON'T DESERVE/QUALIFY FOR THE JOB THEN YOU DON'T GET IT. YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE, GOOD DAY SIR!!! edit: and the guy below me is right, this thread may get ugly and I expect this post to be deleted and as a result this issue, much like racism is today, will be brushed under the rug without being resolved and then it will be Poor Ray Emery, the Man has kept him down too...

Redmond Datsyuk or Zetterberg

...which is why Ted Nolan should accept an asst. role hear for that chance to win a Cup. Then who knows, after he wins a Cup or two, other teams will be knocking on his door begging him to be their Head Coach... ...not question here! KENNY! DO IT! NOLAN! ACCEPT IT!

...and I am quoting you cause we actually agree on this, imagine that! ...anyhow, yeah, if Nolan would want to be an asst. would be the only question, but if he wants to win a Cup, maybe he should consider being one, since, even factoring in the "repeat factor" Detroit IS favored to win again. And last I checked, they are really the only favored team with an open coaching position. PLUS, he would bring a ton of coaching experience to the already top flight staff. He's been a great coach for a long time (on some crappy teams) and really deserves a shot at the Cup! Holland shoud have already been on the phone! Maybe he has and Nolan is not interested or maybe he would cost too much, but heck, to repeat an infamous quote on this forum... ...GET IT DONE KENNY!

...can you say, next Associate Coach for the Detroit Red Wings...

...c'mon! Even better than Adam Oates and Paul MacLean for Bernie Federko and Tony McKegney?

98 Yzerman Ray Bourque or Nick Lidstrom

...so using this logic, Yzerman was also a hired gun... ...As a matter of fact, the entire league are ALL hired guns! ...wow...

...give McCarty the boot and that'll give us that much more...

...or maybe he realized, like most people should, that Mccarty didn't "WIN" the 4th Cup, he was given a free ride to come in a enjoy what the rest of the team accomplished. McCarty did NOTHING to earn his name on this Cup. He's a waste of roster space and SHOULD NOT be re-signed! ...the NHL should change the rules from 41 games played OR 1 finals game to 25 games played AND 1 finals game... ...heck Meech did more during the season to help this team along than McCarty did the entire time he was here this year, and what does Meech get out of it? Nothing but to say he PLAYED on a Stanley Cup team, but didn't "WIN" one yet... ...well McCarty didn't deserve this one either, so in essence the OP is correct to omit McCarty from all 4 Cups...

...Clement is an a$$hole who thinks he is so tight with all the players he can make up his own little names for them, like Nicky Lidstrom... ...arg!!!!!! if I it's like he a Lidstrom bathe together or something and he knows his little lovey name or something! ACK! that drove me sooooooo crazy! ...up clement!

...you forgot the after Hatcher...

..what about Klima? Good call on Chiasson! Make another I wished won one with us... ...What about Grimson? or Zombo?

Get er Done Kenny! J/K... Will anyone want to take on his salary? Maybe the Duckies will buy him out too!

...I totally agree with most of your post, but I've met Dino plenty of times outside the rink and he was fine. He didn't come off as an idiot or and ass. Maybe he was one just to the media... ...he is one of the four guys that I wish were still a Wing for at least 1 of our Stanley Cups, the other's are Probert, Burr and Gallant... ...with a honorable mention to Steve Chiasson, who, while a Red Wing was by far one of the best we had on the blue line, easily our #2 behind Lidstrom when he broke in... God Rest His Soul...

...Lidstrom and Osgood WILL have their numbers retired. It's a lock... ...I do like the argument for Homer, he has been SO important for us over his years. Even before Z and D showed up, he was killing other teams in our longer playoff runs. Although he may not have the stats to actually get his number retired, there aren't many other players I can see wearing the #96, just because it's not a very common number to put on. Are there any other 96's int he league right now? 5 and 30 for sure. IF Z and D stay and continue their torrid pace, then #13 and #40 will have to go up... ...I've changed my mind on #91, he may still get his number retired, but I am not as sure about it now as I once was. I'd kinda like to see #96 up there, especially if the ZDH line stays together for a long time, it would be sorta like honoring the Production Line... ...unfortunately #33, #18 or #25 will NOT be up there, although they've given their NHL lives to this city and franchise ( I honestly don't see them EVER siging anywhere else (of course McCarty was a special case.))