LeftWinger

...exactly, Dallas coach said it best last press conference, "It's hard to match their top scoring line when you realize that it is their checking line your are trying to match." ...so who do you put out there? Crosby? He won't be able to defend them, neither will Malkin. All this about Pens having edge on Offense becuase of Crosby and Malkin being split up, well remember a huge amount of the Wings offense comes from the Defense. Who's better, Crosby or Lidstrom? Who would you rather have? Rafalski or Hossa? Gonchar is a threat, but he doesn't match up with Datsyuk or Zetterberg, so that being said, the offense that Detroits defense will provide will far outweigh the two scoring lines of Crosby and Malkin... ...but, there are still a couple of games for these teams to win before they worry about matching up against each other...

...exactly, but it all weighs on Stuart coming back or not. I love Chelios, but he needs to retire. Lilja needs to go... If Stuart comes back, then the 5, 6 & 7 spots will be led by Lebda, with Eriksson, Meech, Quincey and lets not forget Kindl fighting for the 6 & 7 spots... ...if Stuart gets mad cash elsewhere, then 4, 5, 6 & 7 will up for grabs... ...Stuart has been good for the Wings, but if he's looking for Rafalski type money, there is no way the Wings keep him. I think Babcock is very confindent with his rookies, what do you think of this D? Lids - Rafa Kron - Ledba Erik - Meech Quinc (Kindl) ...young yes, but sooner or later the Wings will have that type of Defensive lineup, better start the rebuild while Lidsttrom is still here...

...while we're at, why doesn't Matt just lock out all the other threads that you don't like as well? I got it, lets just let YOU start all the topics and then this place won't be so boring. We'd have one opinion to read all the time, that would make this place awesome! ...seriously dude, some people don't live on here like others do, and maybe, just maybe someone is just now logging on and reading threads from yesterday and this morning and would like to add their opinions as well, or maybe they have a question that one of our knowledgable users could answer, how could they do that with all the Osgood threads closed? Not until you create your own forum can you suggest any kind of control over what people read, or just wait a few more years, in the New World Order, you'll have your wish about controlling what people can and cannot read, but then something tells me you'll wish you had your Osgood threads back...

...what this shows is that if you cannot beat a goalie, hack him like he were a redWOOD not a Red Wing... ...Of course there is no suspension, Dallas doesn't have a chance, take Ribiero out and they'll pull a Colorado on us... ...could you imagine if Holmstrom would have slashed back at Turco after Turco hacked him in the ankle? ...There will be no retaliation, the Wings and Babcock are the smarter team. Osgood wasn't injured, so Ribiero just made himself look like an ass. He embarrassed him team and his city. I don't know any respectful hockey fan (in Dallas) who should be commending that action by Ribiero. If he felt that he was hit on purpose by Osgood, then he should have manned up and got face to face with him. Come out in game 3 and score a couple of goals on him, that would have made Osgood look like the fool, but NOOOOO!! Dallas wants to goon it up, be physical with the Wings, guess what, they ain't having it Dallas! The Wings have a goal, and it's not to get revenge on you physically. As another member here said, that'll be next season. They'll extract revenge on Dallas by eliminating them in the same fashion they did Colorado when they tried to goon it up. Better hope the refs do you a favor again and NOT call any penalties on you, keeping Detroit off the power play, so you can MAYBE squeak out of Dallas with one win, but I am not too sure Turco wants to come back to Detroit... ...on a side not, can you believe Turco called Osgood gutless with all the crap he did in game 2? Is he calling Ribiero gutless as well for what he did? Doubt it!

...let the new GM be Holland, PLEASE!!!!

...how many times must Aunt Bea tell you Opie, Leftwinger is NOT a Wings Hater, he is a Ken Holland hater... ...with that said, I was here for both rounds, I just barely posted anything. Besides, just because I am here defending my position on Osgood, doesn't mean I rushed back on here ONLY because the Wings are in the WCF... ...you are funny to call me a bandwagon fan. I have been a Wings fan since BEFORE Steve Yzerman. I've watched more Wings games in my life that probably anything else on TV. Just cause I don't suck Ken Holland's crank like you do, doesn't mean I am not a fan, or deserve the right to speak my mind on ANY subject that I feel. I'll admit to being a Tigers, Pistons, Lions, Wolverine and Spartans bandwagoner, I'll be at the head of those lines, but when it comes to the Wings, no way. I have such harse opinions because I am such a fan of the Wings. But I WILL NOT suck Holland crank, I WILL NOT come in here and say that everything the Wings do is OMNIPOTENT, like yourself and a few other "fans" on here. If this board had 10,000 member like you, they may as well call it www.letsgocompletehomerismwithrosecoloredglasses.com... ...dude, get it through your head. There is more to life than Red Wings. Everything they do is not great. Datsyuk is not the second coming. Hudler is not omnipotent. It's ok to say something negative about them once in a while. Pretty soon you'll be able to change your name to Avesfan101 or Bluesman2000 or Predsrule99. OH GOD THE WINGS LOST!!! SOMEONE GIVE ME THE SLEEPING PILLS!!!!!! Chill out buddy, I don't wear those rose colored glasses okay? Thanks for your support and giving me MAD PROPS in your sig!!!

...so, welcome Dallas, I am not gonna say anything bad about you or your team. I read a lot of those posts on the Stars forum, I tried to sign up so I could give my 2 cents, but have yet to receive my email password anyhow, I am going to try to give my most unbiased opinion of this series, hopefully you can send it on to your fellow fans on your forum for I don't have the time to wait to get my password... ..ok, the Dallas Stars, they fought through two very tough 6 game series, they could have been the toughest (body checking and hitting) series so far this playoff. That stops here. The Wings can play that style, they proved it last playoff season. Sure the Stars are a far more physical team than Detroit, but that is not going to matter... ...The Ducks, the Sharks both dump and chase teams, physical in your face hockey. The Wings, puck possession, speed, puck possession, speed, speed, speed. The Stars will try to stop that speed, they will try to stop the puck possession, but as the Avs seen in game 3, the league is serious about the hooking and grabbing, so after they take about 8 penatlies they will be forced to try to play the Detroit style of play (also as the Avs did) and that will just lead to multiple odd man rushes, and poor Turco will be left out to dry (as Theodore and Budjai were.) They ONLY way Dallas wins this series is if the refs put the whistle away early and allow the Jacques Lemaire style of play. The NHL wants offense, the public (non-traditional fans) want to see goals, the two teams that would provide the best entertainment in the Finals are Detroit and Pittsburgh. Look for those two teams to be able to play thier respective games and both make it to the finals. Look for the refs to call the interference and hooking all series long and when it turns into a Detroit style game, the Stars have no chance. Wings in 5 at most...

...I am not on your side, the only thing I did prove is that Osgood has a winning percentage better than the three goalies you mentioned. He has 2 Cups (one his) and soon (hopefully) to be 3. He will play at least 3 more seasons with Detroit and at his current winning percentage average of nearly 55 percent, if he plays in 60 games each of those years he'll amass 99 more wins. He should win a Cup (or two) in that time. I am one of the biggest Osgood fans here and always have and always will call him a ligitmate #1 goalie. He will be the starter next year, there is no reason for Dickhead Holland to even try to sign an overpaid goalie, Hasek will be gone and Howard will be Osgood's back-up. Stats are not useless, it is was judges each and every player in ANY league... ...and I proved that all you Osgood haters are wrong. In the end, he will have won 3 or more Cups, possibly become the #1 all time Red Wing goalie in wins, be inducted into the Halll of Fame and see his number hanging next to OTHER Red Wing greats... ...but like you say, the "UNBIASED" experts think Dallas has the edge in goal this series, because Turco stopped 61 of 62 shots and won on a penalty that shouldn't had been called at that time of the game. Of course San Jose isn't Detroit and Jeremy Roeneck, Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau are not Zetterberg, Datsyuk or Franzen. Turco doesn't stand a chance, I'll give him one game in Dallas, but that is a maybe...

...no, but here's an interesting stat. Patrick Roy's carrer winning percentage is .535. Chris Osgood's is .546... ...hmmmmm.... Seems to me Roy played for some pretty good teams in his career as well. If you continue the above trend, and Osgood plays in the same 1029 games that Roy did, he'll end up with 561 wins, 10 more than Roy... ...btw, Hasek winning percentage is only .530 and even though comparing Osgood to Plante isn't fair (different era's) Plante's winning percentage is only .518 for his entire NHL career... ...so maybe these guys have more wins than Ozzie, but Ozzie wins more consistantly and more often... ...although he deserves the Hall and number retired now, one more Cup should solidify it... ...but back to the original subject, yeah, Turco has the advantage in goal, Osgood is no better than a back up...

...of course Turco has been better, because everyone in the league is better than Osgood, according to the unbiased "EXPERTS." Stefan Liv has been better than Chris Osgood! My sister has been better than Chris Osgood! The whole NHL/AHL/ECHL/WCHA/CCHA/BLAH BLAH BLAH has been better than Chris Osgood... ...Watch as the Stars lose, but it won't be because Osgood outplayed Turco, according to the unbiased experts... ...I am so sick of folks not giving Osgood his just deserve. Not even another Cup will keep the hounds away, they'll still call him a "BACK-UP!"

...the reason Dallas has the advantage in goal, it's simple, becuase NOBODY ANYWHERE HAS EVER GIVEN OSGOOD THE CREDIT HE DESERVES!!!! EVER!!! G.D. he is only the 15th winningest goaler of ALL-TIME. He has 2 Stanley Cups! He led the league in GAA and is leader the playoffs in GAA!!! I don't care who he played for, he deserves EVERYTHING that HE HAS DONE!!! He has already solidified he place as the #1 starter next year with his performance thus far. WHEN he wins his 3rd Cup, he will definately be Hall of Fame worthy and his #30 WILL be hung from the rafters! ...even after all that, the "EXPERTS" will still NEVER give him his credit. EVER!

it's gonna be a fast paced series, yet another team peaking at the right time. The Wings should be worried... Then hopefully Holland gets fired... (sorry had to sneak that in there.)

...man, I know drafts are a crapshoot, but in 1990 Martin Brodeur was picked 20th overall. The Wings picked Keith Primeau 3rd overall. Forget not picking Jagr, what about not picking Brodeur. As far as I can remember the Wings didn't have a hot goalie at that time, sure they drafted Osgood in 89, but they had Stefan/Hanlon/Cheveldae and St. Laurant as their goalies the year prior. I guess you can argue that Cheveldae was supposed to be the ONE, he did win 30 games in 90-91, but man could you imagine if they would have drafted Broduer? Shoulda Coulda Woulda...

...not surprising about this guy. Ever since Fox started broadcastingback in the early 90's, not ONE commentator has ever given the Red Wings their just due, until they had to. The best was ABC/ESPN in 2002 game 7 Wings/Aves. All they talked about is how Roy was unbeaten in game 7's. Every player profile was an Ave. Then after it was 4-0 in the first, they had nothing else prepared so they still had to show the clips of how great Roy was when in the clutch. HA HA HA, I bet the NON-Hockey fans that were watching (you know there were, that is why Bettman is still in charge he has made the NHL real sport! LOL!) anyhow, if there were any watching they were probably saying WTF is ABC smoking? This guy just gave up 6 goals and was pulled from the game! LOL! LOL! LOL! Eat that Networks!!!! The only network guy that gives the Wings props during a game and during a series is Dave Strader, of course it's obvious why. Thorne, Clement, McGuirre, Milbury, ABC, NBC, FOX, ESPN, VS, TSN you all suck. There's nothing like Mickey and Ken (except Mickey and Dave.) Well Bruce Martyn and Paul Woods are a close second to them... ...anyhow, I hope they play Colorado so they can show Forsberg where he SHOULD have signed, but yeah, the Ave Love is gonna be horrible!!! Of course if they draw Calgary, it won't be much better on CBC, but at least you know why they are that way when a Canadian team plays a U.S. team. I'm dumbfouned by the networks in the states...

...so the Wings won the Cup in 1998 "in spite" of Osgood? Are you saying that if they still had Tim Cheveldae, they would have still won the Cup? Jesus! Osgood gets NO respect. G.D. he is what #15 ALL-TIME in wins? For petes sake he lead the NHL in GAA this year, DESPITE, getting lit up in February. (when they had 5 injured defensemen.) Jakers, even the great Roy let in some soft goals once in a while, so does Broduer. Osgood deserves EVERY accolade he earns, and if you think he has the stats he has ONLY because he played for Detroit, then put Bob Essensa back in net for all these years, how good are they then? Dude, I love your name and I agree with 91 to the rafters, and expect 30 to go up as well he has earned it, he is number 2 behind Sawchuk (less than 100 Red Wing wins than Sawchuk.) And considering most of Osgood's career was spent as the 1a or 1b goaltender and Sawchuk played nearly EVERY game that says alot. #30 will go up especially if they get anywhere NEAR a cup in the next three years... 5/91/30 the next numbers to go up!

...Sammy out, who cares if Helm had ONE GOOD GAME, this is the playoffs, you ride who's hot, I am the furthest thing from a Hudler fan, but he's scoring and that is what they need, ride Hudler, ride Helm. Sammy has done naught. When Maltby comes back, no doubt Sammy should sit. Just like Lilja is sitting now. If it comes down to getting pushed around in the next round, then stick Sammy and Lija back in... If the Wings draw Colorado, it will be a fast paced series, they will need Helm and Lebda in there. Ride who's hot...

...this is what happens to the "Bettman" teams. Look at the last 3 winners since the Dynasty teams of Detroit then New Jersey won it. Anaheim, Carolina and Tampa. Hmmm, look at the Detroit Red Wings. Still adavancing. Now you can probably expect Neidermeyer and Selanna to retire again, Bertuzzi should jump ship, Weight will go back to St. Louis (or retire) They aren't getting crap in return for losing Penner and soon there will be a mass exodus out of Anaheim. No they won't make the playoffs, Pronger will be traded and the duckies will be just another one hit wonder "Bettman" team, meanwhile the Devils, Red Wings, Aves, Rangers, Stars, etc... are STILL making a splash in the playoffs. Hmmmm, go figure...

...any team can promise you more minutes if you play for them. Would it hurt to, since he stinking up the joint anyhow, get rid of Sammy and put Brunnstrom on the second line for a spell? If he works out then, good, if not then, down you go... ...Although, with the emergance on Franzen as a ligit threat, he deserves the second line spot with Fillpula and Hudler... ...Brunnstrom would be line 3 at best...

...bet you still believe a 757 hit the pentagon. I like the Wings, hate Ken Holland. I will NEVER give him credit, for he is an idiot. I will root for the Wings to win it all, but they cannot do it if Ken Holland doesn't give them what they need and it looks like $4MM to Hasek is the perfect example of wasting money on useless commodities, hopefully Ozzie can turn that around, but they have to find a way to keep up with Nashville's speed and intensity. I am afraid they can't though...

...to answer the OP's question. Unfortunately, no, he won't be fired. Besides who would replace him? His whole staff thinks the same way he does! It's like having Kilpatrick step down as mayor, who will step up in his place when the entire city council is corrupt beyond imagination!?!?!? There won't be a difference, just someone else to ***** at and blame...

...uh, no. Perhaps the greatest Captain in professional sports was a asilent leader, he lead on the ice, Steve Yzerman. Lidstrom is about the closest thing to Yzerman this team and league has... Sure Draper or Chelios would make good captains, Chelios has the experience, but not better than Lidstrom... ...btw, Flip does need a slap in the face, but Sammy has always been and always will be a passenger on the Swedish to Detroit Express...

...Sure glad Holland paid Hasek $4MM dollars to come back!!! HA! HA! HA! Not that it's gonna make a difference now with Ozzie in goal, they've lost. After watching EVERY minute of all four games, if not for a couple of good bounces, the Wings would have been swept by now. Played like crap, will continue to play like crap, get eliminated in the first round and then you can all "believe" Holland when he says he will address size and secondary scoring on July 1st... ...BTW, Hasek BETTER not be back next year. Osgood and Howard better split the first half of the season and then Howard should be the #1 for the second half into the playoffs. It's time to stop throwing money away on Hasek and the like. It's time for Howard to step in and whether he suceeds of fails, it's his time to be in Detroit, give him his shot! Holland should (but probably won't) spend his money on size and scoring and give Osgood/Howard the reigns next year...

...yep, I remember all of that stuff and I still hope the Wings get booted in the first round so I can read all the other negative nancy's who keep their mouth shut all season long until they loose and when Holland lies again about changes. And to comment on your sig, I am the furthest from a bandwagon fan, I DID suffer through the 80's and oh yeah the 70's as well. I am a true Wings fan, one who can see the crap going on in upper managment. I am NOT a Ken Holland fan. I can ***** about the Wings all I want, I can ***** about players Holland aquires and doesn't aquire. And if you did read my comments about the NON Fedorov trade, I said I AM GLAD HE DIDN'T TRADE FILPULLA FOR FEDOROV!!! I also said I can't wait for Holland to land Feds as a UFA so he can play WITH Filpulla and wax Columbus everytime they play. Screw that GM for trying to rape the Wings. That still doesn't make me a Holland fan and that still doesn't make me believe that they will get out of the first round. No matter what happened at the deadline, he couldn't address the secondary scoring. It remains to be seen what he will do come July 1st. He will pontificate about changes that need to be made, then in typical Holland fashion, he'll sign Hasek for another $4MM and give Sammy and Lilja extended contracts and not be able to do anything else because he needs the money to save for Zetterberg and the NEXT off season... ...it just like saying that I am a proud American and am thankful for the men that died to establish this country, but what the world has turned into (mostly because of our Government) turns my stomach and makes me hate everything about our Government. That doesn't mean I don't love this land. I will always be a die-hard Wings fan, but will never be on board with Holland & crew. And THAT is what lead to someone saying turn in your card, because I ***** too much about Holland and the weak players he gets. So with that mindset, if someone told me that I either support EVERYTHING our Government does or hand in my ID, then where's the first plane outta here!?!? (unfortunately it's about to come down something similar to that in this country.) ...I just cannot wait to read the threads on here AFTER they lose in the first, or, if the Hockey Gods are so kind, to let them go to the finals and play Washington and let Fedorov s*** all over them!!! (I know, Holland WANTED Fedorov, but didn't want to give up Flips, and I applaude that) I hope Feds s***s all over them So I can watch all you guys who said he was washed up put your foot in your mouths...

...now you know better than to believe Holland when it comes to signing a big ticket UFA forward. Even though after their first round defeat, that is what he will be preaching. Besides, they have Hudler :puke: ...also, McCarty is back! They'll do something stupid like this, throw all their money into Campbell (whom they don't need) and then have just enough left over to sign Zetterberg before he becomes UFA 2009...

...uh, yeah... ...boo him, hate him, he sucks, he's old, he's washed up. Oh wait, he's still better than over half the current Red Wings. This thread is useless, I hope they play Washington so Fedorov can light up the Wings every chance he gets!