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...how many bad games? How many bad goals? Dude his legs are open wider than Brittney Spears'... ...shut my trap? Never... tone down the language I will, but it's high time everyone get off the bandwagon because it's time to realize(after 3 straight loses) that this is a one line team and we have a washed up goalie. To me, make some deals, nobody is untouchable except Zetterberg and Lidstrom... ...this team is in a downward spiral. I hope this team continues it's fall until Kenny is exposed for the fraud he is! What a waste of money on Hasek. Sure give him $1 million that is fine, but $2 millions PLUS $2 million in bonuses, totaling $4 million against our cap!!! I said it when he signed I will continue to say it, WASTE!

...it IS ******* Hasek!!! Hey Dom, close you ******* legs once in a while!!! Hey Kenny, I got an idea, lets waste $4 milllion towards our cap on a useless ******* washed up goalie!!! As soon as Bryz was available, Hasek should have been waived. Make a corporate decesion Kenny, grow some balls! Hasek.....OUT! Give me Osgood/Howard for the rest of the season...

...Dom officially sucks... is it too late to pick up Bryz off waivers?

...well all e have to do now is put Dom on waivers and call it a day...

...oh sweet baby Jesus! Sergei took LESS money to go to Anaheim! Detroit offered him more mid season, but didn't give him enough RESPECT to get his personal prblems in order (Divorce & finding a new agent) beore he signed the contract. The Wings basically told him either signthis now or we're pulling the offer. So Fedorov being a man told the Wings to go f*** themselves and left when it came time. Disregard to crap lower offer the Wings offered him right before he signed with Anaheim, they were pretty much slapping him at that moment... ...with all that being said, on the list the only and I do mean ONLY locks are the aforementioned Fedorov because he IS the all time highest scoring European in the NHL and Modano for the same reason, him being the all time American scoring leader. That's it for guarntee's from you list... ...people with a good chance to get in are Shanahan, Neidermayer & possibly Sundin. The rest of your list is a resounding NO. They just haven't had the affect on the sport as the ones I mentioned. I highly doubt Sundin gets in now that I think about it...

...oh sweet baby Jesus! Sergei took LESS money to go to Anaheim! Detroit offered him more mid season, but didn't give him enough RESPECT to get his personal prblems in order (Divorce & finding a new agent) beore he signed the contract. The Wings basically told him either signthis now or we're pulling the offer. So Fedorov being a man told the Wings to go f*** themselves and left when it came time. Disregard to crap lower offer the Wings offered him right before he signed with Anaheim, they were pretty much slapping him at that moment... ...with all that being said, on the list the only and I do mean ONLY locks are the aforementioned Fedorov because he IS the all time highest scoring European in the NHL and Modano for the same reason, him being the all time American scoring leader. That's it for guarntee's from you list... ...people with a good chance to get in are Shanahan, Neidermayer & possibly Sundin. The rest of your list is a resounding NO. They just haven't had the affect on the sport as the ones I mentioned. I highly doubt Sundin gets in now that I think about it...

...please explain to me how that team was BOUGHT? Luc signed here when noone else wanted him. Brett signed here when noone else wanted him (he even took less money to come here) Olausson, well nobody wanted him. Dom Hasek was TRADED for, we traded Kozlov and pick(s) for him, just how was he bought? Pretty much the rest of the team had been around for a while... 2002 Cup was NOT bought, it was earned... ...1996 was not stacked, it was bought... ...lest we forget the team that started this entire Hockeytown, the 1995 team that lost to the Devils. They won 33 out of 48 games and won the Presidents Trophy that year... I think of all the teams since, this was the most important one because they learned how to lose...

....man I am not looking forward to the cold weather this year!

...eh, so Dom had a bad night! Oh well! I DO think we should ride Osgood until he becomes human though!

...and to close this chapter, Igor is not even listed as a Wings prospect anymore, at least not on redwingscentral.com. He's not even listed as a Russian Prospect...

...I'll take a bad night every 10 games. 9 wins 1 loss every ten games? What is that 72 & 8 in a 80 game season?

95-96, Stacked? Please! Stacked with who? Yzerman, Fedorov, Coffey, LIdstrom, Dino. If you call that being stacked, then what do you classify the 2001-02 WIngs at? Omnipotent? ...if having a D corps made up of Lidstrom, Konstantinov, Coffey (who's D sucked anyway,) Rouse, Eriksson, Fetisov, Bergevin & Ramsey is being stacked then what do we have now? ...I'll give four reasons 95-96 team wasn't stacked, Primeau, Greg Johnson, Tim Taylor & Bob Errey. As a matter of fact, that team was more like the one we have now. An awesome #1 line, a good #2, the grind line & a bunch of solid players with two great goalies and Osgood is STILL one of them... ...1995-96 was not stacked with superstars, period... ...because of where he played...

...there, fixed it...

...well talk about comparing apples and gold nuggets!!! One thing the author of that statement neglects. Also, BTW the NHL neglects the same thing, Michigan/Ohio State is one of the olderst Rivalry's in NCAA. Why? HISTORY, TRADITION, ORIGINAL BIG TEN SCHOOLS! In no way can a team that is barely a toddler in this league have a rivalry with an origianal 6 team. Hey Bettman, you want rivalry, move Detroit East, put them in the same division as Toronto, Montreal, Boston or NY, you want rivalry that sells arena's out? You want rivialry's that, well, rival Michigan/Ohio State or Notre Dame? ORIGINAL SIX!!!!! Damn you're so stupid!!!

...uh... ...did Patrick Roy play on crappy teams? Could one argue that half of his wins are because he played on great Montreal and Colorado teams? Didn't Broduer play for one of the best (if not the best) defensive teams to play in the 90's? Is it fair to say that half of his wins could be credited to the defensive system and all star players he played with? If you are saying Osgood only has as many wins as he does because of a stacked team, then this can be true of the others. BTW, the ONLY stacked team the Wings EVER had was 2001-2002 and guess what? Osgood didn't play for that team. No way can you call the 90's Wings teams STACKED. The Wings didn't start throwing money around like it was growing on trees until AFTER 1998. I think it's safe to say Osgood's record was helped by playing with a great defensive team in front of him, but no more than Broduer or Roy was. The only reason he MAY not make the HOF is because of WHERE he played. Nobody cares about players in Detroit, especially the news media and the NHL. Same reason Yzerman was NEVER looked upon as equal to Gretzky and Lemeiux. Look at the teams Gretzky played for in Edmonton, is it safe to say that half of his points should be credited to the likes of Messier, Anderson, Coffey, Kuri and the bunch? Yzerman played for the Dead Wings and was putting up 50 and 60 goals and over 100 points year after year. He WAS the Wings in the 80's. Say what you will about Hasek & Vernon, but Osgood has been the best Wings goalie since Terry Sawchuk, period. He deserves to be in the hall, he deserves his number retired he deserves to be making the money of a Khabibulan & Hasek AND he deserves his credit for the career numbers he put up, just has much credit as Broduer and Roy get for theirs... ...uh, he has never stole a series? Let's see, 1998, Dallas, Jamie Langenbruner just scored in OT with a clearing shot from the center ice! HUGE momentumn swing, how does Osgood respond? Does he slam his stick, does he lose confidence? Nope, comes back the next game and shuts them out, STEALING the momentum back from the Stars, thus reclaiming the series that with one shot tilted heavily in their favor...

...uh, he has never stole a series? Let's see, 1998, Dallas, Jamie Langenbruner just scored in OT with a clearing shot from the center ice! HUGE momentumn swing, how does Osgood respond? Does he slam his stick, does he lose confidence? Nope, comes back the next game and shuts them out, STEALING the momentum back from the Stars, thus reclaiming the series that with one shot tilted heavily in their favor...

...I can remember Steve Yzerman getting robbed a few times also, for MVP...

...Chris Osgood has been the best Wings goalie they've ever had in the modern era. No other goalie has more wins or Stanley Cups as a Wings goalie in the modern era. Lest we be reminded that there are only 15 goalies in the history of the NHL who have more wins. We forget how good Osgood has been throughout his career. There are only 3 goalies who have done better in the same timespan, Roy, Hasek & Broduer. Haske is all was all world at the time, he had a reputation, Roy was boisterous and vocal, Broduer was a phenom. Osgood quietly stacked up the wins, one after another, he doesn't slam his stick to the ice when he gives up a goal (good or bad) I would venture to say he is the Steve Yzerman of goalies, quietly lining up behind high profile players, but hanging with them. Roy has what, 3 Cups? As does Broduer, Hasek has 1. Ozzie has 2. If he finishes with 400 or more wins and remains a Red Wing for the rest of his career, #30 WILL hang in the rafters, especially if another Cup or two come back to Detroit before he retires...

I would offer Huds, plus 2 draft picks. All depends on when Vinny is a UFA, if he is coming up on that status it may cost a lot less. No way Datsyuk OR Zetterberg is involved. I wouldn't trade Zetterberg for ANYBODY, not even Crosby. That would be the equivilant of us trading Yzerman for Gretzky back in the summer of 89. Illitch didn't do it then and he wouldn't do it now! Not that I am saying either of those two will be as productive as Yzerman or Gretzky (although they are well on their way.) Nor am I comparing them at this point in their careers. No way Zetterberg right now is as important to the Wings as Yzerman was, or Crosby as Gretzky was to the Oilers/Kings/blah blah blah, although the NHL is blowing Crosby every chance they get! (kinda reminds me of the whole Lindros deal in the 90's) But they are the face of their franchises at this moment and they show all indications that they will be as important,I still wouldn't trade Zetterberg for Crosby, Zetterberg plays better D...

...uh, no, I guess they like money! Can't been seen with someone from Hollywood, but cannot be seen without a rich boyfriend!

...well, compare the teams he played with. NYI & STL but paled in comparrison to the Wings. They dumped him because they couldn't justify paying him almost $4MM to sit on the bench. He's back in his comfort zone and he is just as good as he was in 1998 (so far.) BTW you can name only a few active goalies with more wins than Ozzie. In all the history of goalies ALL-TIME he ranks as #16. 16 ALL TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE NHL... ...If you ask me the Wings are stealing Ozzie for what they are paying him. Compare his stats and achievments to that of Khabibulin(sp) who would you pay more? Ozzie is a ligit #1 goalie, there is no doubt in my mind that if we had Osggod/Howard we'd still be in the same place we are right now, maybe better... ...now back to Jimmy Howard...

...while I do see & understand your disgust in Neidermayer (we had it happen before, ahem, Barry Sanders, ahem) but more so I believe the "TRADE" of Dustin Penner for Todd Bertuzzi/Mathieu Schneider hurt you more (Man, I wish it were an actual trade that happened, Penner would look great in a Wings uni.)

Dude, here's your sign...

...Osgood won't be voted by the fans, but I would be willing to bet that if he continues his success this season, he will be picked as an alternate (especially if Babcock is coach for the WC)

...I would have to say one of the biggest reason's is 1989! Then when they had trouble getting over the hump, Scotty Bowman. I give Ken Holland very little credit, since his scouts tell him who he should draft. Sure, he makes the ultimate decision, but that would be kinda like George Bush going against Congress and you see where that gets him! Holland should be credited for the trades made though. He is one of the best GM's in the league, but he owes a lot to his scouting and staff, without them he would be average... ...I give the most credit to Jimmy D. He drafted the two most important players to this franchise, Steve Yzerman & Nick Lidstrom (oh and Fedorov, Osgood & Konstantinov helped a little too!, like I said 1989...)