Nightfall

Cleary with Arbys on his stick.....JUST WIDE.

Well, aside from the crappy defensive/goalie play on our end when we gave up that goal, we are doing pretty well. Dominating in the 2nd period.

Its like partly sunny and mostly cloudy.

Wow, Datsyuk just played that lazy and gave the Hawks a good chance in close. The Wings really need to wake up.

Cleary with a PERFECT shot. Wow. Very nice!

Yup, they are outchancing the wings thats for sure.

I love this idea as well. I don't know about making everything challengable....because there are certain penalties in the NFL that can't be challenged, but I do like the idea. Could you imagine the refs being challenged to review a play where a player "dove" in order to get a call? I just don't like the idea of slowing the game down though. Maybe eventually, refs won't be on the ice but be up in the press box watching the monitors. It would be easier to pick out these penalties with the use of slow motion. Then again, that just wouldn't be hockey now would it?

As I said before, its amazing how things just even out in a series. The puck that was whistled dead early that Hossa tapped in for an apparent goal in game 3 is a good example. Wings fans bitched, and Ducks fans cheered. Here in game 7, a similar situation. Did Cleary push his pad and the puck into the net? Do the Ducks have a legit beef? Yea, they probably do. Just as we had a legit beef about the Hossa non goal. It all evened out though and the better team won in the end which is what a seven game series is supposed to accomplish.

Yes, the ones against the wings were brutal, but as if the ones against the ducks werent? What about the apparent slashing call on Getzlaf on Franzen? Franzen so sold that call, and we got a power play goal out of it. Wasn't that a brutal goal? You make it sound like the Wings were the only screwed party here, which is such crap. On the flip side though, I will agree that Pronger got away with too damn much thats for sure. I don't remember him getting any minor penalties in this series, and considering he was tying up people behind the net and wrestling them down, that was egregious. As I said before, its easy to point at instances and say the Wings got screwed. I can do the same for the Ducks and I am not a Ducks fan. You mention the Hossa no goal, ok, I can understand that since it was blown early. On the flip side, you have the final goal that Cleary scored. Good goal or not? What about the goal where Cleary was in the paint with his leg behind Hillers? Good goal or goalie interference? If you replayed all the games 5 times, you would have different calls coming from different refs who did the game. Even the same refs would not have gotten every call right 5 separate times. As I said before, sit a Ducks fan in the same room as you and have a friendly conversation with him over a beer and watch a game like Game 7. You will have him bitching about non calls and interference as much as the Wings fans are going to ***** about the same thing. Another thing you can do is to attend a hockey game you care nothing about and just count how many penalties you would call in the course of a game. Its amazing when you aren't blinded by fandom just how much more sane you are when it comes to refs calling the game and the state of the NHL game as it is today.

Funny you mention only the Ducks infractions and none on the Wings. Are you saying that the Wings committed no infractions that weren't called? Bring a Ducks fan into the room with you to watch a game and you will see perception is about 50/50.

It always impresses me when I see someone on this forum post something like this. A lot of wings fans just want partisan Wings officials. Very few people can really look beyond their fan support and into a game deeply. I really have a lot of respect for true Wings fans that can do this. I do agree, there was a big inconsistancy when it came to the reffing in the last two games. Kind of ironic being as that when it came to the game 7 refs people were cheering about them and about how we weren't going to get screwed. In the end, calls were missed on BOTH SIDES. Reffing mistakes were made when it came to both teams. Yes, Pronger had a license to do what he wanted. The takedown of Hossa behind the net was a no brainer to me. There were 1 or 2 times where he committed interference as well. Still, the Wings played their game as well. Franzen getting hit on the back of the leg and going down like he was in a broadway play? Whats funny is that every Wings fan stood up and said that was a legit call. I laughed because that happens all the time. That shouldn't have been called and we scored on that power play. Thats just one example for both sides. I counted a few others for both sides while watching that were dives or attempts to draw penalties that weren't. In the end, its a 7 game series. If one team plays to their potential, then it doesn't come down to these calls. The better team usually comes out on top after a 7 game series. In this series, the Wings showed up to Game 1, did well in game 2, slouched in game 3, came back in game 4 and 5, and slouched in game 6. In every game they slouched, they deserved to lose. If they played at the same tempo in every game, then they would have beaten the ducks in 5 or 6 games. If they would have lost game 7, people here would have blamed the refs, but I would have blamed the Wings for slacking because that is just what happened in 2 of their 3 losses. When you don't show up for 50 minutes in a game and try to make a game of it in the last 10 minutes, you are going to lose a majority of the time. Lets hope they learned their lesson for the next series. The NHL refs have a hard job in front of them. The game moves so fast, and as a ice hockey ref, I can't imagine how hard it is to call a game in the NHL. Rec league is fast enough for me. Yes, they made mistakes, but they are human. Oh, the the NHL game is so much better than it was back in the pre-lockout era. I can't stand watching clutch and grab hockey anymore which is why my love for the college game has went downhill.

For a team that just clinched a playoff series at home for the first time since 2002, I would rather not have home ice. That being said, I will celebrate no more late games.

Well, if you don't get shots on target, you aren't going to win games. I have a feeling this game is going to be won by a crappy bounce.....

Both teams are diving and getting away with a lot.

Why can't the wings hit the net on those point shots? They all go wide. Every one of them.

Should be and actually is are two different things.

I really can't blame the refs for the way the wings are playing right now. Icing on a damn power play. Letting the Ducks just get close in chances on Ozzie. What a crap way to play.

You know what I want to know? Why are the Ducks getting these close in chances ALL GAME LONG and the Wings are fighting just to get in close? The Wings D is really sucking.

The Wings defense is horrible. Three point blank chances on Ozzie.

Well, you can bet Mickey will be happy to comment on it with the replay. And the verdict is..... Yup, Pronger smoked him. Refs blew it on that call.

Hiller with the broadway play now. I have no idea if Huds was pushed into the net. I want to see the replay, but the refs seemed to think Huds crashed the net.

Sammy with a HUGE goal!

Yea, you are right. Missed that one. Its all broadway. Damn....nice job by Selanne.

Ok, so far tonight, you are right. Overall though, the Wings try to draw penalties the same freaking way. Oh, and its only Wiznewski. Selanne was actually bleeding and needed to be treated.

QFT Its safe to say that all the concerns about Ozzie coming into the playoffs should be gone by now.