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Interesting.

It's been more-or-less established as fact that the return Holland got for Nyquist is market value for a player like Nyquist. Again, Zuccarello got roughly the same return. Now Dreger's saying the Devils want a 2nd for Johansson: Word on the street is that Nyquist wants $5-5.5M x 5, which, to me, is all kinds of "NOPE!" And it seems like Holland agrees. So 1) Nyquist had to be moved, and 2) Holland got market value for him. In Nyquist's absence, a roster spot opens up and all the young kids who are already full-timers might get slightly expanded roles. (I say "might" because it's possible we add someone through free agency or a trade or even the upcoming draft.)

Pretty safe to say you're not getting a 1st-round pick for a middle-six winger in this market. If I see a middle-six winger on an expiring contract fetch a 1st, I might revise my opinion of the Nyquist deal. But, so far, it's looking like market value is a 2nd(+).

We don't know that. I didn't say helping the tank is a key consideration. I'm just saying losing Nyquist helps the cause. No one's taking Ericsson. It's possible Daley gets moved today. I like how we're not acknowledging that moving Nyquist and Jensen makes room for some kids. "Yeah, well, that's great and all, BUT WHAT ABOUT ERICSSON AND DALEY HUH?!" C'mon, man. And Holland got two picks for him. What's the problem?

Our GM decided he didn't want to give a 29-year-old winger a new $5M x 5 contract and so he traded him for market value and opened up a roster spot and some cap space (assuming Nyquist is in fact gone for good). Also, this helps the tank. I'm not seeing the problem here. "Should've gotten a 1st" isn't really an argument.

Nothing really supports that tho. Zuccarello is maybe slightly better than Nyquist and he got a return that's maybe slightly better than the one we got for Nyquist.

LeBrun on Vanek:

Every team needs at least one defenseman who can play top-pairing minutes and put up points and move the puck well. Green's the only player in our system who checks off all of those boxes. We need Green to eat tough minutes while Hronek and Cholowski learn the ropes in less demanding roles. We need some semblance of depth.

I'm ok with not shopping Green. He wants to be in Detroit and he's an important part of our team.

lol

Yeah. Wholte lotta meh there. Green could get us a 1st, but clearly he's off the table.

I think it's pretty telling that we heard nothing -- N-O-T-H-I-N-G -- about Nyquist over the past few days. Heard a whole lot about Zuccarello, who's roughly the same player. Heard a whole lot about Simmonds. Heard a whole lot about multiple scoring wingers not named Nyquist. Even the hfboards basically refused to acknowledge his existence. The NTC probably didn't help.

And let's be honest: Nyquist is not a player that makes scouts and GMs and fans salivate.

I'll take it!

HYPE! LGRW! P.S. Go Zadina!

Nyquist is the only one that worries me. If we bring him back for four or five years @ $5M+, I'm not going to be a happy camper. And I say that as someone who's generally pretty pro-Holland these days.

Good to have you on board for this one, friend! Hopefully you can join us for a few more before the season's over.

Points update: Green (1G, 1A) - 5 goals and 25 points thru 41 games Nyquist (1G) - 16 goals and 49 points thru 62 games Larkin (1A) - 26 goals and 61 points thru 62 games Bertuzzi (1A) - 15 goals and 32 points thru 54 games Mantha (1A) - 15 goals and 30 points thru 48 games

Would be nice to beat the Habs for once.

I thought he would be better than McDavid. He was supposed to score seven goals tonight and now my faith in everything has been shattered. This team lol Pavelski seals it with an empty-netter, his third goal of the night. What a clown shoes performance by the Wings in the second half of this game. My goodness. I'm pro-tank, but I don't have to like it.

OH YOU'VE GOTTA BE KIDDING ME Would've been a Goal of the Year candidate. PP

PK. Sigh.

Gord Almighty, this team can't make simple passes.

Hear, hear!