Hatcher#2

Hey guys this is the Griffins roster for training camp so far without the rest of the guys who are still up with the Wings. There are a few heavies on this list.(bold writing) 2005 Grand Rapids Griffins Training Camp Roster (as of 9/21/05) # FORWARDS (19) POS S HGT WGT BIRTHPLACE D.O.B. 2004-05 CLUB(S) 53 Robin Big Snake LW L 6-0 219 Siksika Nation, Alberta 4/10/84 Portland (WHL)/Owen Sound (OHL) 54 Brad Bonello C L 5-11 180 Brampton, Ontario 4/15/84 Ottawa (OHL) 42 Billy Collins C R 6-2 200 Enderby, British Columbia 11/17/81 Muskegon (UHL) 32 Ryan Gale F R 5-11 180 St. Catharines, Ontario 3/18/81 Niagara (CHA) Michael Hackert* F L 5-11 191 Heilbronn, Germany 6/21/81 Frankfurt (Germany) 19 Eric Himelfarb* RW R 5-9 170 Toronto, Ontario 1/1/83 GRIFFINS 17 Todd Jackson* RW R 5-10 180 Syracuse, New York 4/10/81 GRIFFINS/Toledo (ECHL) 18 Patrick Jarrett C L 5-11 180 Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario 2/6/84 Owen Sound (OHL) 29 Ryan Keller RW R 5-10 186 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 1/6/84 Saskatoon (WHL) 52 Jason Kostadine RW R 6-2 190 Silver Spring, Maryland 10/22/83 Texas (ECHL) Ken Magowan F L 6-2 205 Kelowna, British Columbia 7/22/81 Augusta (ECHL)/Albany (AHL) 21 Jeff Nelson C L 6-0 190 Prince Albert, Saskatchewan 12/18/72 Muskegon (UHL) 3 Colin Shields F R 5-10 175 Glasgow, Scotland 1/27/80 San Diego, Atl. City and Greenville (ECHL) 50 Scooter Smith LW L 5-10 180 Calgary, Alberta 11/11/80 Toledo (ECHL) 8 Cory Stillman C L 6-2 211 Lindsay, Ontario 3/2/83 Pensacola (ECHL) 11 Josh Tataryn LW L 6-0 185 Orton, Ontario 7/23/82 Port Huron (UHL) 14 Daniel Tkaczuk C L 6-1 195 Toronto, Ontario 6/10/79 Lada Togliatti (Russia) 51 Mark Wires F L 5-11 180 North York, Ontario 3/20/82 Texas (ECHL)/Laredo (CHL) 44 David Wrigley LW L 6-0 200 Washago, Ontario 6/1/80 Mercyhurst (AH)/Muskegon (UHL) # DEFENSEMEN (8) POS S HGT WGT BIRTHPLACE D.O.B. 2004-05 CLUB(S) 2 Greg Amadio+ D L 6-2 225 Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario 5/13/81 Col. (ECHL)/Mtb. & GRIFFINS (AHL) 4 Brett Angel D L 6-6 229 Kingston, Ontario 4/29/81 Acadia U. (CIS) 25 Bryce Charpentier+ D R 6-5 220 Temecula, California 3/29/82 Peoria & Florida (ECHL) 55 Jon Insana D R 6-1 202 Mt. Clemens, Michigan 9/2/80 Muskegon (UHL)/GRIFFINS 5 Tim Judy D R 5-10 170 Bowie, Maryland 1/14/81 Northeastern (HE)/Trenton (ECHL) 6 Nick Martens D L 6-1 195 Ann Arbor, Michigan 9/11/82 Michigan (CCHA) 24 Travis Richards+ v D L 6-1 195 Crystal, Minnesota 3/22/70 GRIFFINS 33 Clay Wilson D L 6-0 195 Sturgeon Lake, Minnesota 4/15/83 Mich. Tech (WCHA)/Muskegon (UHL) # GOALTENDERS (2) POS C HGT WGT BIRTHPLACE D.O.B 2004-05 CLUB(S) 31 Kevin LaPointe G L 6-0 181 Quebec City, Quebec 4/11/80 Sacred Heart (AH) 1 Drew MacIntyre* G L 6-1 184 Charlottetown, P.E.I. 6/24/83 GRIFFINS/Toledo (ECHL) * Detroit Red Wings contract + Griffins contract v Veteran

This is another situation that disgusts me with this team that Holland has assembled. Not even a scrum after a dirty hit like this, your team mate is on he ice potenially injured from a check from behind against one of the dirtier teams in the league and they all either are too scared to answer the bell or they just dont give a s***. Makes me sick. I just cant understand how Holland & Co can sit by and watch this crap and think it is alright. Come on man, get a grip and toughen this roster up. Im not asking for a 2 min a night goon, just get me someone with a pulse or atleast get Tootoo up and loosen the leash.

WTF is wrong with this team??? Their top player and arguably the best in the world gets elbowed in the head and not one sorry ass player does anything about it. I don't care if there is a suspension or not what i want to see is the team stand up for themselves and one another at the point when the incident happens, there is something fundamentally wrong with this team and their principles. Illitch should just relocate them to Sweden and let them play over there and Holland will be the happiest man alive. Im sorry to derail the thread but it infuriates me to watch this team and their complete lack of heart and toughness.

Im sorry but it doesn't take a genius to know that the head is one of the most important/fragile parts of the anatomy and therefore you should try to avoid putting yourself in situations where you could get hurt. If they don't know this then that proves to me that its not the fighting that causes the issues but that they already have issues before embarking on their career.

So your saying that these guys didn't know the risks of getting punched in the head multiple times??? They know the risks.

That could be it, however that was the role those guys chose to play and they had a choice wither to play that way or not. That argument is speculative as for every guy that had issues there are guys who don't for instance 3 of the toughest ever in kocur, Grimson and Domi for instance one went on to be assistant coach of the Redwings, Grimson is now a lawyer and Domi is a very successful business man. I think it comes down to the choices of the individual and not necessarily the role they played but i can see arguments both ways.

I love everything that Stevie Y has done for the Redwings and as a player and i respect the hell out of him but in this instance he needs to shut up and focus on trying to build a good hockey team instead of trying to fix something that doesn't need fixed. These guys are grown men playing the game they love and getting paid a LOT of money for it, they know the risks involved. Hitting causes more injuries, slap shots cause more injuries, why stop at fighting lets just ban the whole game if injuries and safety is the issue. What makes this worse for me is that he played his whole career on a team that carried some of the toughest SOB's to ever lace them up who night in and night out put there ass on the line to protect him. Complete disrespect to those guys. RIP Probie. Leave the game alone you sissies.

Clarkson is my clear number 1. I have wanted Horton for a while too although im a bit concerned about his injury history now.

I hope to god Tootoo is put back into the line up. He is the one guy that will have the Hawks off their game when he is constantly hitting them. They are a far superior team on paper to the wings so we need to get them distracted and looking over their shoulders at every turn. Let him loose on their d.

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Out of all of this years draft picks he seems to be getting the least attention, possibly due to his injury last year and only playing 10 games he seems to be somewhat unknown. He is off to a decent start again this year with with 8 points in 11 games and he is huge being listed at 6' 2 and 217 pounds. Has anyone seen him play and can let us know the type of game he plays. All I have been able to find is that he skates extremely well for a big guy. What I would like to know is does he use his size, is he physical at all.

Im going with a draw on this one, the uppercut by finger missed and clipped his helmet, nothing landed by either. He seemed a little bit more settled in this one though, wasn't throwing for the KO, he'll get better with every fight as he gets used to GR. Thanks again rw19.

Thanks, I've been looking for a clip or review since it happened. He did well in his first pro fight, Shaw is a tough kid. It's nice to see he has gained some size aswell, now up to 6'0 190 pounds.

Does anyone think that the Wings will offer this guy a contract this season. I know he is a restricted free agent for the Wings and they did make him a qualifying offer before he went to play last season for Modo in the SEL, so they must be atleast somewhat interested. Tough guy who hits like a truck and is only 27, could be a cheap decent option for the bottom pairing. Any thoughts?

Cheap shots will always be there, thats apart of hockey but some players are able to get away with it now where before they wouldn't have. I completely agree with the second part, concussions have always been apart of hockey and any major pro sport in fact. Players nowadays as well are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before and even a clip to the head nowadays can cause a concussion.

I would like to see him turn pro now as well and i think he is ready for the next step. I like what Nill said as well in another article about him. "If you're four years away from having a chance to making the NHL, stay in college," Nill said. "If you're close, it's time to move on." Sign the deal Gustav, get to that next level.

I wouldn't count on it, he is too busy blaming it on equipment etc. The bottom line is, nowadays the respect between the players isn't there and imo that is partly due to the instigator. Now i'm not saying this is the sole reason for concussions but it is playing a major part in todays game by not allowing players to police themselves.

Removing the instigator rule should be number 1 on that list.

McIlrath is the guy who i want the Wings to draft and like you say the real weakness in the sytem is the lack of a big, tough heavy hitting dman. This kid fits the bill real well. From what i have seen of his fights the majority of them start wih him hammering guys into the boards. it would be great if he was still about when we pick because he can play the game aswell, he isn't just some up and coming goon. I refuse to get my hopes up though like i have in the past. We'll just have to wait and see.

Here is a clip of Downey's latest fight as a Griffin, i wish he was still on the Wings. Its not the best quality video but it still shows the outcome. Easy Knock Down win for Down's

Downey looked very strong there, he must be champing at the bit to get back to the show.

Lucic is going to be tremendous player for the Bruins for many years to come. He is already a fan favourite there and he is only 19 years old. He is exacty my kind of player. Riley Cote and Colton Orr had an absolute slugfest last night. It was a great fight, tonnes of punches thrown and landed. Two of my favourite fighters going at it with their wide open old school style. Love it. Check it out http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/38046

He won both his fights aswell.

Downey did exactly what he is on this team to do tonight, he answered the bell and did a damn good job too. Im very happy to see that he is winning over alot of the fans on this board and it's good to see that. Also when i read the first post of this thread i was wondering how many posts it would take before Eva would come in and say something negative and yup there it is, why cant you just come in and say "well done Downey, you did good" or something like that. You dont even have to say give this guy a roster spot, it would just be nice to give a fighter some credit where credit is due. Keep up the goodwork Downey.

Downey is doing everything that is being asked of him in camp right now and from all reports he is doing very well. I would absolutely love to see Drake and Downey on our 4th line, now that would be fun to watch. I just want us to be able to put out a line that can really crash and bang with authority and one that can back it up if the other team takes exception to it, im a little tired of seeing the Wings throwing a pretty good hit and then backing down when they get challenged after it. Downey can hit and he can back it up to.